Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[Orion]

 

 

Literally just put wings on the Sangy Guard.
Then they'll look about "meh", which realistically here is the best we could hope for.

 

It's nowhere near the Coteaz resculpt which is just bad all around and also GW isn't going to break into your house and pour acetone over your old Sangy Guard so feel free to just keep using them.

It's just normal, Primaris "chonk" combined with a chronic lack of detailing (again, just harvest old Sangy Guard kits for parts. The Shoulder-pads do still fit on Primaris arms after all).

 

I don't think it's too outside the grounds of reality to assume a hobby community that usually chronically hordes spare bits specifically in order to spice up other models would be able to apply that process to the new Sangy Guard.

Why can't GW just not make trash sculpts?

Like, get the old one, put it next to the new one and make some observations, and fix it.

 

Some people are so blinded by "but it's bigger" to see all the other step backs.

[Xenith]

 

This isn't necessarily true; arguably out of all the new Blood Angels Lemartes has been the most popular one and he's quite different from his previous version, whereas the Sanguinor and Astorath who are both very close to being straight remasters of the previous sculpts have been received fairly ambivalently. Sure there are plenty of "new=bad" people in the fandom but I for example don't dislike Sanguinary Guard because they've changed, I dislike them because I feel the change has been executed badly.

 

Basically this is what I'm feeling. I Like Lemartes. He's different, maybe not as iconic, but still cool and well sculpted. I look at Astorath's mask and chunky details, then look at the same in the Sanguinor, and the SG, and wonder how they have less, crisp, fine detailing than models designed 15 years ago. Part of it I think is trying to smear a death mask over a MkX helmet, while the previous models had specific, bespoke, artificer helms. Muscleature is also thick and chunky, and less well designed than the previosu kit. Where is the knee and thigh detail? This is a low-res redo of a kit made in 2010. I have no objection to primaris in principle, and the basic dudes look great, however I do object to half-assed conversions of existing units to primaris. Just making an SG upgrade sprue to slap onto assault intercessors would have been better than this. 

[Indy Techwisp]

 

Unless they magically get better masks, pauldrons, jump packs, poses and chest designs then I doubt it'll matter. The only disappointing part of the release that I expect to get better with a better paint job is the Sanguinors face

 

I said better, not "perfect".

[ThaneOfTas]

 

I said better, not "perfect".

In which case "better" is still so what's the point of mentioning it?

[Halandaar]

 

 (again, just harvest old Sangy Guard kits for parts. The Shoulder-pads do still fit on Primaris arms after all).

 

I don't think it's too outside the grounds of reality to assume a hobby community that usually chronically hordes spare bits specifically in order to spice up other models would be able to apply that process to the new Sangy Guard.

 

This is good and well if you've been collecting BAs for a while and already got some parts (I probably do have somewhere), but the old kit is already sold out on GW's UK storefront and those in stock with third party suppliers are going to follow suit almost immediately, at which point you're at the mercy of eBay sellers. 

[Nephaston]

 

Why are Space Marines players the guinea pigs for their nonsense sculpting experiments?

Because people keep buying it. We are ravenous for more and more marine kits. so much so that now they started to invest in 30k just to satisfy the demand for power armour. Have you ever watched the chat during a reveal on twitch? have you ever noticed how often the question for more marines comes up, even if, or rather, especially when the segment is not relevant to 40k at all? AoS; "boring, wheres the power armour?" Kill Team; "no marines, no buy" Necromunda; "melee weapons when?". The hungry hungry caterpillar claims a quarter of all plastic releases (I hope that is just hyperbole, but it feels right to me) but he was still hungry.

 

 

At this point I'd rather see less Space Marine releases

Same, but we gotta get those extra chapters finished now. They already put DW on ice for now, so only SW left. then we might have just a little something else for the rest of the edition. Then again 30k is allegedly now part of the churn and get's a new edition with guess what? MORE MARINES; MOOOOORE, A MARINE RELEASE EVERY QUARTER. We're gonna reach marine saturation levels previously thought impossible. And once 30k has at least one or two kits in every heresy mark, it's gonna be off to the scouring, and after that? Remember the badab war? your wallets certainly will feel it. Were gonna end up with three distinct eras of the 40k setting just to feed the desperate debauched need for marine players to keep buying. Marines for ever and ever.

[Marshal Rohr]

That’s such a disappointment . 

[DemonGSides]

 

But every other time they take risks we get to read comments like "why didn't they just take the old design and upscale it?!" GW simply cannot win with marines anymore. We really are just the most unpleasable fanbase within a fanbase, with a third of all release and even a whole game system mostly for us.

 

Not from me. I can't help it that there's whiny babies who don't want new stuff. Hardly my issue; I want the new stuff.

 

I lamented the new Lemartes because I liked the old one, but will still buy new Lemartes. I am not buying any of these Sanguinary Guard; wasn't heavily invested in them with their prior incarnation, won't be invested in them with this :cuss: version. 

 

Sanguinor is cool, Astorath has always been meh so more meh is fine, but these new SG are just BORING.

[Indy Techwisp]

 

In which case "better" is still so what's the point of mentioning it?

 

Because they're not really  to begin with?

 

The Coteaz model is  , the Sangy Guard are on the poor side of "Meh".

 

Painting them with actual Metallics would be an improvement, so by definition that would make them "better".

Again, not "perfect", or even "good" to be honest.

Just better than what we have pictured now.

[apostle85]

 

Why can't GW just not make trash sculpts?

Like, get the old one, put it next to the new one and make some observations, and fix it.

 

Some people are so blinded by "but it's bigger" to see all the other step backs.

I guess it’s a matter of personal taste. What many view as steps back, I see as a step in the right direction. 
I know this will probably rub many the wrong way, but I truly and deeply disliked the old SG kit and the old Death company kit.  To me they were particularly bad examples of GW’s tendency at the time to overcrowd minis with way too many details. 

[DemonGSides]

 

I guess it’s a matter of personal taste. What many view as steps back, I see as a step in the right direction. 
I know this will probably rub many the wrong way, but I truly and deeply disliked the old SG kit and the old Death company kit.  To me they were particularly bad examples of GW’s tendency at the time to overcrowd minis with way too many details. 

 

They're not bad kits tho, just hard to paint. Like objectively, they included so many weapons and so many bits that as a kit that you spent money on, they were fantastic value. Remember, you could always take some of that clutter away.

 

Now we get mostly soulless models with barely any extra bits and then we also get the pleasure of losing an entire kit in favor of an upgrade sprue, which is supposed to be aimed at our entire faction but contains at least 1/3rd of it PURELY to be able to outfit one of our formerly bespoke units.

 

 

It's a bad deal any way you cut it. Unless your taste is "I'd actually like less value for more money" then idk how any of this is defensible. 

Edited August 12 by DemonGSides

[The Scorpion]

 

I have no objection to primaris in principle

Therein lies your error. It took me until Shadowspear and the Vanguard marines, but I now fully admit without remorse that Primaris has ruined the Space Marine aesthetic.

8th edition grognards were right all along

Edited August 12 by The Scorpion

[ThaneOfTas]

 

To me they were particularly bad examples of GW’s tendency at the time to overcrowd minis with way too many details. 

You always had the option of using simpler versions of the kits if you wanted less ornate models. There has never been anything stopping you from painting standard Assault Squads or Assault Intercessors black and calling them Death Company. Or painting Jump Pack intercessors gold and calling them Sang Guard. Or hell, taking a knife to the kits and scraping off the embellishments. Making kits simpler and less ornate has always been a viable option.

 

Adding detail back in is always considerably more difficult than removing it, and we just lost the primary scourcyforvthe bits that might have made that a viable option anyway.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Great they’re charging people more for what’s basically the exact same model as before for the sanguinor.

for an avenging angel who swoops in as a savior, the pose is horrid.

 

sad that the rumors about the SG losing their wings turned out to be true, but in general I do like them, the encarmine spears are great and now I can use more of my 3rd party tridents.

[Indy Techwisp]

 

Therein lies your error. It took me until Shadowspear and the Vanguard marines, but I now fully admit without remorse that Primaris has ruined the Space Marine aesthetic.

 

Space Marines are Primaris now.
That's it.
We can't do anything about that, GW certainly aren't and it was people demanding a lore reason for what should have just been a normal upscaling that caused this entire thing.

 

It has been 6 years since they introduced them and what does it say about our community that we're still ripping out each other's throats and ruining people's discussions over it?

[Marshal Rohr]

Everyone excited for space wolves needs to temper their expectations. Everything has been a downgrade since the Templars. 

[thesarge44]

 

Therein lies your error. It took me until Shadowspear and the Vanguard marines, but I now fully admit without remorse that Primaris has ruined the Space Marine aesthetic.

8th edition grognards were right all along

I endured longer than Shadowspear, but came to the same conclusion eventually. Grav tanks are lame (at least the primaris ones) and the Primaris range is far to hit or miss for me to love it. 

 

Really eclipses the old days of Centurions being controversal doesn't it.

 

Oh well, GW will eventually re-scale MK7 and all will be well (cope). Someone mentioned a third system focusing on Badab War era and i'd actually kind of love that as a refresh for 'First-born' (god i hate calling them that). Lots of awesome chapters in that setting.

 

Hot-take maybe but 40k hasn't been the same since Alan Blight passed away. 

[apostle85]

 

 

They're not bad kits tho, just hard to paint. Like objectively, they included so many weapons and so many bits that as a kit that you spent money on, they were fantastic value. Remember, you could always take some of that clutter away.

 

Now we get mostly soulless models with barely any extra bits and then we also get the pleasure of losing an entire kit in favor of an upgrade sprue, which is supposed to be aimed at our entire faction but contains at least 1/3rd of it PURELY to be able to outfit one of our formerly bespoke units.

 

 

It's a bad deal any way you cut it. Unless your taste is "I'd actually like less value for more money" then idk how any of this is defensible. 

I understand your point here.  To me it was never about difficulty in painting, I’m a scale modeler first and foremost so painting tons of small details is neither here nor there for me.  My issue was in so many cases it was a case of too much in too small a space and no matter how well it was painted it simply looked cluttered to me. 
As for value for money, I never saw the old kits as being great value for money for myself as I’d have thrown away or carved off 60% or more. 

[thesarge44]

 

 

It has been 6 years since they introduced them and what does it say about our community that we're still ripping out each other's throats and ruining people's discussions over it?

To me, it says that a portion of the fanbase still prefer old marines over the primaris and it has caused a rift between marine players. A second HH if you will.

 

Un-intentionally smart on GW's part because when they inevitable redo old marines they get to triple dip on people. We've already seen this will work thanks to space marine Heroes.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

Space Marines are Primaris now.
That's it.
We can't do anything about that, GW certainly aren't and it was people demanding a lore reason for what should have just been a normal upscaling that caused this entire thing.

 

When did THAT happen?

 

Pretty sure the lore was baked in to the upscaling from day one.

[MoriyaSchism]

 

Everyone excited for space wolves needs to temper their expectations. Everything has been a downgrade since the Templars. 

I'm holding my breath to see how "different for the sake of being different" the Grey Knights will be. I know we had a really faithful Castellan Crowe model not too long ago, but I simply don't trust GW anymore for them to not just throw a curveball at us.

[Orange Knight]

 

Therein lies your error. It took me until Shadowspear and the Vanguard marines, but I now fully admit without remorse that Primaris has ruined the Space Marine aesthetic.

8th edition grognards were right all along

 

GW ruined the aesthetic long before that with Centurions and the awful plastic Scouts 

 

Whilst I agree that the Vanguard Marines do stray quite a bit from the original design ethos, I would counter that by saying that MkX tacticus units and the newer Gravis units such as heavy Intercessors really double down on the Marine look and actually elevate it.

[danodan123]

I think these look great.

 

I wanted some sort of bodyguard for Dante and the SG here will look nice next to him I believe.

 

Never was a massive fan of the Sanguinor before but this is a very good re-do of the original imo.

[RedFox]

The new S guards are great If you give them the old jump packs and banner.

 

I'm surprised people like the Sanguinor, sure it's classic but the pose is still bad and uninspired. I was kinda expecting some crazy showcase model... probably Valrak's fault!

[Toxichobbit]

 

 Grav tanks are lame

 

Damn right! How da zog are you meant ta loot em? Deyz got no wheelz or trakks like a good n proppa wagon. Pour out a fungus beer for da old beakys. Dey knew ow to make a good tank. Not dis modern art pramaris stuff - looks more like twiggy or fishy tanks to me.