Sanguinor and Sanguinary Guard

[DarkChaplain]

I think the Sanguinor looks pretty meh. The face is the biggest problem, but also the pose.

 

It's uninspired, especially when compared to other character remakes of recent years. They gave Helbrecht and co some really interesting scenic bases, but the Sanguinor has nothing of the sort. His pose is actually *less* exciting than, say, Celestine's. Compare this bloke to the Celestant Prime's swirly stuff and you have a model that actually floats above the rest and one that barely floats over models with tactical rocks. He's not imposing, his presence on the table is laughable, and those scriptures are so tired by now.

 

I never cared for the "Sanguinor as stand-in Primarch" stuff, but this is just not nearly enough fanfare for what he actually represents.

 

Besides, why does he have one of those newfangled jump packs, when his origins are towards the end of the Heresy? Should've at least stuck with what he had.

 

....and those Sanguinary Guards lost their most distinguishing feature aside from the golden armor. Figures. 3D prints for Wing-attachments will probably be booming from here.

 

Nah, this is the first real miss in the BA lineup so far (awkward Lemartes pose aside)

Edited August 12 by DarkChaplain

[phandaal]

 

Space Marines are Primaris now.
That's it.
We can't do anything about that, GW certainly aren't and it was people demanding a lore reason for what should have just been a normal upscaling that caused this entire thing.

 

That is a pretty silly thing to say. Customers were not responsible for the decision to introduce Primaris Space Marines. GW wanted more copyrightable material in their IP, they wanted people to buy their entire Space Marine armies again, and there was probably some overlap with the strategy that got them to nuke WFB with the End Times.

  

 

It has been 6 years since they introduced them and what does it say about our community that we're still ripping out each other's throats and ruining people's discussions over it?

 

It says that people who like 40k are no different than any other group of passionate fans. This is not new, and it is not unique, and no one is better than anyone else just because they may have different topics that get them more or less fired up.

[sbarnby71]

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For some decent 3d printed equivalents. Might be more to some people tastes.

[Dark Legionnare]

 

Never disappointing clicking on a blood angel thread that's 7 pages long in a few hours.

Hahaha. Literally said that to friends in discord, me being not too "hip" on the SG and Sanguinor reveal.

Verbatim:

"You know how you can tell something is likely a GW "oopsy?" When my "old man uses forums still" go-to-site is 25 posts per page - already 7, almost 8, pages deep in two hours"

[StrangerOrders]

I wonder how much of the reasoning for axing the wings, other than spear positioning, was to prevent confusion with the winged SCE 3-man kit? It would be goofy given that the main demographic for purchasing isn't 12 but we know GW isn't above making decisions on that assumption.

[crimsondave]

 

 

I posted about this on the third page.

Good catch.  I didn’t notice.  One of them even has the same pose.

[Urauloth]

 

For good or bad they look like Stormcast Eternals.

 

A few editions ago, sure. SCE don't really look like that now though. If anything, looking at the new Prosecutors dims my enthusiasm for the Sanguinary Guard redesign even more.

[apostle85]

 

I wonder how much of the reasoning for axing the wings, other than spear positioning, was to prevent confusion with the winged SCE 3-man kit? It would be goofy given that the main demographic for purchasing isn't 12 but we know GW isn't above making decisions on that assumption.

I doubt it was to avoid confusion with SCE, but rather to bring them more visually in line with their boss.

[Orange Knight]

 

 

That is a pretty silly thing to say. Customers were not responsible for the decision to introduce Primaris Space Marines. GW wanted more copyrightable material in their IP, they wanted people to buy their entire Space Marine armies again, and there was probably some overlap with the strategy that got them to nuke WFB with the End Times.

  

 

Surely, SEVEN years after the fact, we aren't still complaining about the Primaris?

 

We've seen chapters get updated, old units removed, none of this is a surprise at this point.

 

The reasons for their existence are myriad and have been discussed. Everything from corporate greed to more artistic freedom and everything in between. 

 

On a more positive note, at least the Blood Angels are transitioning to Primaris with the vast bulk of their key units intact, and the chapter identity largely preserved. Other chapters are not as lucky, some no longer even exist.

Edited August 12 by Orange Knight

[apostle85]

 

 

 

On a more positive note, at least the Blood Angels are transitioning to Primaris with the vast bulk of their key units intact, and the chapter identity largely preserved. Other chapters are not as lucky, some no longer even exist.

Just curious in case I missed something, what chapters no longer exist at least those that had a distinct model represented identity?

Not counting the legion of the damned and deathwatch which have always been here then gone then here again modelwise.

[Alternis]

GW I will never forgive you for making my boy look like this (even if the rest of the model looks amazing) 

[Wispy]

I like these with the exception of no wings on the Sanguinary Guard. That was a boldly made bad decision. But I suppose its remedied with a backpack swap?

[Indy Techwisp]

 

Just curious in case I missed something, what chapters no longer exist at least those that had a distinct model represented identity?

Not counting the legion of the damned and deathwatch which have always been here then gone then here again modelwise.

 

*Gestures to the White Scar's Bike Characters*

[apostle85]

 

GW I will never forgive you for making my boy look like this (even if the rest of the model looks amazing) 

I do hope it’s the paint job making his face look like that and that his chin will be a bit less pronounced under more subtle paint.

 

 

*Gestures to the White Scar's Bike Characters*

Oh wow, I did totally miss that

[phandaal]

 

Surely, 6 years after the fact, we aren't still complaining about the Primaris?

 

Here is something old that I still dislike - that goofy CGI blood at the end of the first Blade movie. You know which part. Was it really necessary? I don't think so... it looks corny when the rest of the movie had much better special effects. Is it necessary for me to still have this opinion after 26 years? No. Do I care? Also no.

 

I am sure there are old things you have opinions about as well.

 

All I am saying is - we could do with a little less sanctimony directed towards our fellow hobbyists. We are all nerds here, and that is alright.

[01RTB01]

Sanguinor's head looks like Jim Radcliffe, I'm not unseeing this.

[Orange Knight]

 

Just curious in case I missed something, what chapters no longer exist at least those that had a distinct model represented identity?

Not counting the legion of the damned and deathwatch which have always been here then gone then here again modelwise.

 

Deathwatch. Had bespoke rules and codex for multiple editions, but no longer. They do count.

 

Ultramarines also lost more than half of their unique units.

 

And if you're a Crimson Fist fan you can't even buy the one model associated with the chapter. Meanwhile the Blood Angels are getting more themed releases in this edition than all generic codex chapters did over the last 3 editions.

Edited August 12 by Orange Knight

[LemartestheLost]

 

On a more positive note, at least the Blood Angels are transitioning to Primaris with the vast bulk of their key units intact, and the chapter identity largely preserved. Other chapters are not as lucky, some no longer even exist.

I don’t care what units are “intact” if the models have been completely neutered of any soul whatsoever. 

[Orange Knight]

 

I don’t care what units are “intact” if the models have been completely neutered of any soul whatsoever. 

 

I wonder if better models suffer, to some extend, from the same problems faced with modern graphics in gaming.

 

I would argue that some of the 90s pixel art RPGs had far more character and soul than modern games did, but objectively the visuals ARE better now. I guess the art itself is always subjective.

[DemonGSides]

 

 

Here is something old that I still dislike - that goofy CGI blood at the end of the first Blade movie. You know which part. Was it really necessary? I don't think so... it looks corny when the rest of the movie had much better special effects. Is it necessary for me to still have this opinion after 26 years? No. Do I care? Also no.

 

I am sure there are old things you have opinions about as well.

 

All I am saying is - we could do with a little less sanctimony directed towards our fellow hobbyists. We are all nerds here, and that is alright.

 

Shut up Blade 1 was not 26 years ago...  Dammit. 

Edited August 12 by DemonGSides

[DarkMark]

For me these are a 5 out of 10. 

 

The Sanguinor looks like he got the robot guy's face from Doom Patrol. The SG don't too bad in the video, but the stills aren't great.

 

Why have the painters given the new models super healthy glowing skin when there has clearly been a move to push the vampiric aspect? Surely, they'd have far paler tones? 

Edited August 12 by DarkMark

[Indy Techwisp]

Biggest take away from this model preview is this:

 

We all hate 40k and we all hate eachother.

 

We clearly do, otherwise we wouldn't be complaining so much, about so little, dragging eachothers opinions through the mud or blaming everything wrong with Marines on a 6yr old business decision which had paid off for GW tenfold.

 

We all need to step back, chill out and reflect on this.

The 40k community has a reputation for being full of angry and grumpy s and this single thread very much highlights that the reputation is accurate and earned 

[Doghouse]

Hmm, while I liked the Death Company these are a bit of a miss for me. The Sanguinary Guard feel a bit bland and not that different from regular jump pack assault troops. I think it's the lack of wings that breaks it for me and they feel like a bit of a wasted opportunity to go all out 40k.

 

If anyone should scream 'His Angels' from a design point of view it should be these guys.

[Wispy]

I also like the the helmets are less outrageous on the SH. Something an elite would wear instead of a head guard.

 

I see what they're doing, trying to dial things back on the Sanguinary Guard so there's a clear gradient between troops > elites > HQs...  But still, you can't do Sanguinary Guards without wings. They need the wings. Oh well, backpack swaps are easy.

Edited August 12 by Wispy

[INKS]

The models look ok, The sang face is a little odd to me. And I greatly  dislike the scrolls, always have, always will...

 

The Guard are ok. I don't like bare heads but you can see there are some non bare heads so looks ok? good maybe. don't lock tactical rocks but it is what it is.

seems like they are scared of nipples on the armor now... no idea why. it makes the chest look bare... maybe that is just me.