New AOS models (Gold BA Releases)

[Brother Raul]

What are peoples thoughts on the new Sanguinary guard? I am beyond disappointed, don't even know where to start.

 

Edit; I've had a little time to digest it more. It just looks like chat bot designed the kit. E.g imported files from the JPAI, the best selling AOS and some generic BA images.

 

Hadn't intended to have the Sanguinor as part of the discussion but happy to include that. Personally I think the sculp is fine, a faithful resculpting and a good replacement/ alternative.

 

Only issue is you could actually write a BA Sanguinor's novel on the purity seals but love the room to but a BL terminator on the base.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/12/blood-angels-reveals-angelic-visions-descend-to-rout-the-enemies-of-baal/

Edited August 14 by Brother Raul
Articulated the reason for the disappointment.

[Jolemai]

Tweaked title and added links

[Indy Techwisp]

 

What are peoples thoughts on the new Sanguinary guard? I am beyond disappointed, don't even know where to start.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/12/blood-angels-reveals-angelic-visions-descend-to-rout-the-enemies-of-baal/

 

Miles ahead of the worst Primaris they've done.

Leagues better than the Coteaz update.

 

Sanguinor is a pretty faithful update, same as Lemantes.

 

Sangy Guard look like fancied up JPAI, but it's very much a fixable model.

Just stick the wings from the Firstborn Sangy Guard on them and they'll be fine.

[Loishy]

Like the Blood Angels captain, I find that these sanguinary guards don't have enough decoration. 

 

But if for the captain it was a false impression due to the up scale of the primaris, I think there is really something’s missing here. No decoration on the legs, no highly decorated shoulder pad, no gorget, strange helmet (but maybe I will get used to it later). The chapter banner looks cheap also. 

 

I like the weapons and the primaris scale up but I will not buy them as they are. 

 

For the Sanguinor, I like it like the new Lemarthes and Astorath. He will not make me buy this new one, but it is a cool rescale. I'm sad that we're losing the slick helmet that stood out a lot from the others.

But can someone explain why he has a primaris armour now ? (Look at the helmet, the knee or the jump pack.) When and how did he change his armour ? Especially since GW has already produced primaris characters with first-born armour (the Castellan Black Templar). 

[Indy Techwisp]

 

But can someone explain why he has a primaris armour now ? (Look at the helmet, the knee or the jump pack.) When and how did he change his armour ? Especially since GW has already produced primaris characters with first-born armour (the Castellan Black Templar). 

 

The Sanguinor is (at least partially) a Psychic Manifestation created by the BA.

So with the BA now having Primaris Marines (and iirc a lot of them because of Baal getting Tyranid'd right as Bobby G started rolling out Primaris), it makes sense that The Sanguinor now takes on an appearance closer to what's likley caused him to manifest (I.e. a Primaris'd Dante).

[LemartestheLost]

I can just about be described as distraught. 30+ years of perfection on Blood Angel kits, and they completely dumpstered those design choices except on Astorath the Sanguinor. The incompetence is truly just astonishing. It’s obvious that the lore people and sculptors just didn’t talk to each other when making this release. Perhaps THE defining quote for BA in Post Rift 40k is Gabriel Seth’s conversation with Dante about the Primaris being Ultramarines in red armour. The ENTIRE BA COMMUNITY repeats it ad  nauseam. No axes, no wings, no ancients banner of note, atrocious death masks. Just miss after miss. I’m dead serious when I say that the team in charge of chapter specific primaris releases needs to be fired. I hate calling for people to lose their livelihoods, but it really is that bad. People who repeatedly show they are not up to the task should be. As a shareholder in the company, I can’t expect anybody to buy/use the new BA or DA releases instead of going the third party or 3D printing route. These literally are AoS models. Sorry, not sorry for the salt.

Edited August 12 by LemartestheLost
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[DemonGSides]

I wish it was an AoS release. At least then we would've gotten good sculpts.

 

Like I get not liking these, but to say AoS have bad sculpts and these are similar is just bitterness. AoS sculpts have been crushing it for years. 

Edited August 12 by DemonGSides

[Wormwoods]

They're fine. Wasn't gonna buy a big, named character model anyway. May pick up the Sanguard and mess around with them. My socks remained un-blown-off, but nothing here is any worse than 'kind of boring'. 

 

 

[ThaneOfTas]

I've been in the hobby for considerably less time than Lemartes here, but my opinion mirrors his. Distraught just about covers it. I feel very greatful to have managed to grab two more boxes of the old kit before they went out of print, because there's no way that I'll be buying those abominations.

[Xenith]

Horrendous. Why does one have a moustache? 

 

I already had an immediate reaction on Insta, however I'll share it here:

 

1) where are the wings?
2) why the thanos chin on sanguinor?
3) why the thick sculpted detail? It seems a step back from the fine work done on the previous models.
4) why does one have a sculptured moustache?
5) where are the wings?
6) boring pennant banner instead of epic imposing chapter standard.

 

 

[Xenith]

Thankfully I think I already have 2 boxes of SG on sprue, so I don't need to buy more, but if GW want to make SG just golden assault intercessors with weird faces, then why buy the new models?

[Malphas]

The one thing they got right were the spears.  These guys are going to require extensive kitbashing.

[LemartestheLost]

 

I wish it was an AoS release. At least then we would've gotten good sculpts.

 

Like I get not liking these, but to say AoS have bad sculpts and these are similar is just bitterness. AoS sculpts have been crushing it for years. 

AoS has great sculpts! No hate to the models of that system.

[Loishy]

Yes, some people have been talking about AoS because the helmets look like stormcast helmets. This isn't intended to denigrate AoS figurines.

Edited August 12 by Loishy

[Indy Techwisp]

 

Yes, some people have been talking about AoS because the helmets look like stormcast helmets. That isn't a way of denigrating AoS figurines.

 

Some people have been talking about taking Stormcast heads and putting them on these guys to improve them, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[LemartestheLost]

 

I've been in the hobby for considerably less time than Lemartes here, but my opinion mirrors his. Distraught just about covers it. I feel very greatful to have managed to grab two more boxes of the old kit before they went out of print, because there's no way that I'll be buying those abominations.

I haven’t been involved for all that long relatively speaking, I was more so talking in a historical sense  But yeah frater, I went and grabbed another box last night before I even saw the new kit. The worst part is that if enough unknowing parents just grab the box for little Johnny as a gift then we’re completely screwed with this kit for the next 15 years. I genuinely do hope the Sang Guard crash and burn on release while the Captain, Sanguinor, and Astorath sell out. Hopefully we have a repeat of what happened with the Heresy Mk. VI Space Wolves helmets and the golden boys get done justice.

[ThaneOfTas]

 

Hopefully we have a repeat of what happened with the Heresy Mk. VI Space Wolves helmets and the golden boys get done justice.

Unfortunately those were resin, so a new version was relatively easy to churn out quickly. Not so for proper plastic.

[Bouargh]

Initially, when AoS was released, Stormcast eternals were considered as being the SM equivalent (can we say MEQ in that case too?) into a Fantasy setting. I would not have though that SM will become the pendants of Stormcast Eternals from AoS into a Space Opera setting....

 

It is (eventually) even worse as most Stormcast eternal characters and special units are IMO looking fancier and better designed than some of the last productions for 40k.... Or not.

It is indeed a little bit tricky to be all negative (Even if it is tempting): not everything is all black o white.

For example, Astorath and Lemartes look quite good I think. That Sanguinary guard looks average is something we could live with I guess. But that a signature character like the Sanguinor not only does not improve vs. the previous one but alos looks that regular is somehow sad. I would not talk of industrial failure, at this stage.

 

I there is a concept sketch and preprod model validation comité in GW, then I suggest they revise their rating scale and associated design approbation processes...

 

[Paladin777]

The spears are cool, but I don't like them otherwise. The OG armor looked hand-sculpted from gold. The new ones look like machined plates with a gold paint job. 

sanguinor is ok, other than the ugly face. It could just be a lousy paint job though. Wings do look kind of lame though.

Edited August 12 by Paladin777

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

Like the Blood Angels captain, I find that these sanguinary guards don't have enough decoration. 

 

But if for the captain it was a false impression due to the up scale of the primaris, I think there is really something’s missing here. No decoration on the legs, no highly decorated shoulder pad, no gorget, strange helmet (but maybe I will get used to it later). The chapter banner looks cheap also. 

 

I like the weapons and the primaris scale up but I will not buy them as they are. 

 

For the Sanguinor, I like it like the new Lemarthes and Astorath. He will not make me buy this new one, but it is a cool rescale. I'm sad that we're losing the slick helmet that stood out a lot from the others.

But can someone explain why he has a primaris armour now ? (Look at the helmet, the knee or the jump pack.) When and how did he change his armour ? Especially since GW has already produced primaris characters with first-born armour (the Castellan Black Templar). 

What chapter banner? Are you talking about the pennant on the spear?

[Loishy]

 

What chapter banner? Are you talking about the pennant on the spear?

Yes. Maybe I didn’t read well the article on warhammer community but bellow the picture with this pennant, they say « fluttering banners from the Chapter’s earliest days, only released from the Arx Angelicum in times of great need ». 

Ok they don’t speak about chapter banner, but if this thing is a relic banner and replace the previous one, it is a downgrade for me. 

Edited August 12 by Loishy

[DemonGSides]

The spear and penant are the coolest part of this release.

 

I think the big chapter banners of the past look better with a foot slogger; big banner like that would get shredded if you were hurtling through the sky on a jump pack. The penant at least makes more physical sense for what they're going for, and make sense in the "it looks like it belongs on a fast reaction squad" that the golden boys would qualify for. Almost like a cavalry squad. 

 

The rest is just uninspired and boring. And they botched the helmets so bad. 

Edited August 12 by DemonGSides

[The_Lord_Of_Angels]

I can't say I even like the spars, and even been wanting spear options for BA for a while. They look very basic. I agree the armour is lacking details we've come to expect on the SG. Ironically I like the death mask helmets, although I wish they had sculpted hair and/or laurel wreaths. Always thought it odd that space marines, who are equipped to fight in the vacuum of space, would be rocking a mask which defeats the point of wearing environmentally sealed armour. I hate they don't have the single engine jump packs with wings too. Why is that one SG holding an inferno pistol instead of having it wrist mounted? It's these small missing details across the models that makes me wonder if the designer understood the assignment or had any direction at all. Would have loved to have seen flaming CC weapons to tie in 30k BA with 40k. A bit more angelic symbology to restore the balance after the damage Matt Ward did...

[DemonGSides]

I also think the swords are boring. The hilt on the one is okay, but the encarmine blades from the old kit were so much more flavorful.

 

I don't care about losing the axe, that's whatever. But to go from bespoke power swords to "Tacticus Power Sword with Blood Drop" is a huge bummer. 

[Cleon]

Well yeah, those are models I guess. I'm hoping it's just the paint job not playing ball with the sculpts, but my first impression when seeing the Sanguinary guard was a gold plated Michelin man, they are puffy, bloated not at all what I want.

 

I am surprised to be looking at a Blood Angels release and coming away not spending any money after how well Mephiston was done and how good elaborate Space marines had started looking with the Bladeguard and Sternguard.

Astorath, nice enough model, I don't like the character enough to justify rebuying him when I have the metal.

Lamartes, I don't massively like the new model, I don't need any more chaplains.

Upgrade sprues, I wanted helmets and the 'classic' curved wing logo on pads, not much there for me, certainly not enough to put any value on the sprue.

Captain, fine I guess, I don't need more captains and he didn't wow me.

Priest, I prefer and already have the old one, don't need this.

Sanguinor, Don't like the face, they repeated everything I didn't like about the pose of the old one, I have the old one, I don't feel any drive to buy an inferior in plastic for a character I already have and  rarely use.

Sanguinary Guard, ugly, no thanks. I'll use some of my old ones if I need them.

 

Overall very disappointed, it brings back the feeling from the Horus Heresy releases that whoever it was at GW who worked the Blood Angel aesthetic I liked (the death company, old Sanginary Guard, the tactical squad, the assault terminators) has left and I'm just going to get this by the numbers uninspired retreads until/unless someone else comes in.