LSM Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) tl;dr: What would you expect/want to see the new Blood Angels' Combat Patrol look like? // So far, every new Codex release has seen the release of a new Combat Patrol. They seem to be maintaining the form of 1 Hero and 3 units, though things fluctuate. (ie. the GSC doubled up one of the units, Imperial Agents have a second small Hero, etc) Most notable, perhaps, as a point of comparison, is the Dark Angel 'patrol, which contains: Gravis Captain 3 Bladeguard 5 Hellblasters 10 Intercessors 2 Primaris Upgrade sprues (ie the old ones) As can be seen, it does appear that they tried to keep to theme, with the Hellblasters and the Bladeguard. It did replace an old 'patrol of: a Chaplain, Redemptor, 3 Inceptors, and 5 Intercessors (plus upgrades). On the other hand, it didn't contain any of the new models added to the range alongside it, and is (minus the upgrades) fairly generic. Current (former, I suppose) Blood Angels patrol is: Librarian 3 Agressors 5 Incursors 5 Intercessors Impulsor 2 Primaris Upgrade sprues IIRC, Valrak has said that he's heard: BA Captain 3 Sanguinary Guard 10 Assault Intercessors And then speculated that it had seemed light to him, and that maybe the Sanguinary Priest would be in it as well. I assume it will also have two of the old Primaris Upgrades. That certainly seems nice enough to me (if the 'Priest, or one other unit, is present). Before going back and checking Valrak's videos however, I was thinking of something along the lines of: Captain with Jump Pack 5 Jump Pack Intercessors 5 Assault Intercessors Brutalis Dreadnought 2 Primaris Upgrade sprues Something like the Terminator Chaplain could also be a fun option, while matching the way the Dark Angels' Gravis Captain doesn't go with any of the units. Terminator Chaplain 5 Jump Pack Intercessors 5 Reivers Brutalis Dreadnought new Upgrades // This will probably soon be moot, but it might create a couple days of conversation. Edited August 18 by LSM DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 IIRC, Valrak has said that he's heard: BA Captain 3 Sanguinary Guard (3) 10 Assault Intercessors And then speculated that it had seemed light to him, and that maybe the Sanguinary Priest would be in it as well. I assume it will also have two of the old Primaris Upgrades. I would be kinda surprised to get so many of our new units in a CP. Although I agree the list above seems like it is missing a unit. LSM and DemonGSides 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) I’m intrigued by the whole idea of so many new models being in combat patrol. not really sure what to do personally though! I have 20 assault intercessors and 15 jump assault intercessors already haha. i know I want the captain (probably 2 for bits), I want the priest, I want lemartes, astorath and sanguinor and I also want a few copies of the upgrade sprue and a couple sets of sanguinary guard. trouble is if rumours are accurate I’d have a whole lot of bonus intercessors. I guess I can make them all death company? Edited August 17 by Blindhamster Zenxzen 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) There is 0 chance of SG being in the box. They're already a limited buy for most BA players to begin with just by the fact of how few you would probably use. Our special captain is about the most expensive BA specific unit I could see in the combat patrol. MAYBE a 5 man of foot DC. Edited August 18 by DemonGSides Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSM Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 There is 0 chance of SG being in the box. They're already a limited buy for most BA players to begin with just by the fact of how few you would probably use. I'd agree, but Valrak has been pretty on target this release. (Though his mention of the Combat Patrol was a little hazier, and even he noted that it seemed "light" to him, causing him to start to speculate...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 I'd agree, but Valrak has been pretty on target this release. (Though his mention of the Combat Patrol was a little hazier, and even he noted that it seemed "light" to him, causing him to start to speculate...) Sure, but he's not always right and 6 x SG (which was the rumor he was talking about) is legit not going to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapelXIII Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Looks like it will have Sanguinary guard from warcom. DemonGSides and LSM 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 The new captain is a new unique character. im looking forward to reading his lore. LSM 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 The new captain is a new unique character. im looking forward to reading his lore. He will only be a unique Character for Combat Patrol. All the leaders are named on CP datasheets. Blindhamster, ThaneOfTas and Xenith 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just like the terminator captain was named in the Leviathan combat patrol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 between the bits we've seen we know though that the combat patrol does indeed include: - captain - assault intercessors - sanguinary guard we also know its only 3 datasheets in the combat patrol. the captain leads the assault intercessors, those two combined is about 250 points, I cant see 3 sanguinary guard being 125 points honestly (but could be wrong...), meaning even if we get 6 of them, we're going to be on the low end of points for combat patrols. And that assumes 6 sanguinary guard as originally rumoured. LSM 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) Ok, so we go with the New Combat Patrol containing the following; Blood Angels Captain £28 Sanguinary Guard £37 10 Assault Intercessors £40 2x Old Upgrade Sprue £22 Total £127 Saving at £100 is £27 about a 21% saving. With 2 new upgrade sprues its £148 which is about a 32% saving. Edited August 18 by Vardus Clarified my upgrade sprues! LSM and DemonGSides 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSM Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 (edited) Yeah, I think it has to be 6 SG or two of the new sprue to even approach value. // Current set: Librarian - £25.00 3 Agressors - £37.00 5 Incursors - ~£20.00 5 Intercessors - ~£20.00 Impulsor - £52.50 2 Primaris Upgrade sprues - ~£18.00 Total - £172.50 Edited August 18 by LSM DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDutch Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Maybe it’s 6 SG and maybe just maybe they have great rules, and as such are expensive point wise… Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Yeah, I think it has to be 6 SG or two of the new sprue to even approach value. // Current set: Librarian - £25.00 3 Agressors - £37.00 5 Incursors - ~£20.00 5 Intercessors - ~£20.00 Impulsor - £52.50 2 Primaris Upgrade sprues - ~£18.00 Total - £172.50 Our upgrade sprue where £11 after the price rise! So even more of a price reduction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSM Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 (edited) Our upgrade sprue where £11 after the price rise! So even more of a price reduction. Aye, but the other Chapters' doubled-up sprues are at £18.00, so I knocked off three quid. // Maybe it’s 6 SG and maybe just maybe they have great rules, and as such are expensive point wise… With the custom game rules, I imagine that they don't consider points too much when putting these boxes together. Just price (aiming for that ~33% value, it seems). Edited August 18 by LSM Vardus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) The current DA combat patrol is £145, and 19 models. Ours with 2 new sprues and 1 Sang Guard would be £148 and 14 models or with no sprues and 2 Sang Guard it would be £142 and 17 models. So we either get screwed on model count and the DA really got screwed on new things in their combat patrol or we have an ok model count and DA just got screwed with their combat patrol! I don't know which way I want it to go! Edited August 18 by Vardus Grammar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 I'd rather have the 6x sanguinary guard from a gameplay and sprue perspective. The old Primaris Upgrade sprues are straight terrible. The chainsword is more like a chain knife. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Generally agree, but I like the 'plain' BA pauldrons for battleline units. DemonGSides and Vardus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goranged Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) Stats https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/19/sanguinary-guard-strike-savagely-at-the-heart-of-the-enemy/ Edited August 19 by Goranged Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 I may be missing something, but isn't lance just +1 to wound on the charge? why would I ever want that at the cost of one less attack and one worse AP - if we assume they are equal points because 10th? LSM and ThaneOfTas 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenIronhand Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Encarmine Blades seem like the better choice, for sure. It takes a lot to beat out ‘more attacks’. Karhedron and LSM 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 I may be missing something, but isn't lance just +1 to wound on the charge? why would I ever want that at the cost of one less attack and one worse AP - if we assume they are equal points because 10th? Should've had the same amount of attacks, then the choice becomes more consistent wounding or stronger wounding. Right now I think it's just always smart to go for the swords, even though I think the spears are a lot cooler. LSM, Rhavien and Xenith 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Encarmine Blades seem like the better choice, for sure. It takes a lot to beat out ‘more attacks’. Agreed, especially as you can still get Lance from Red Rampage strat (assuming that still exists in the new Codex). LSM 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenIronhand Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) Well, I say that, but Red Thirst takes it up to S8… EDIT: NVM, forgot about the limit on modifiers. Edited August 19 by SvenIronhand Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383500-new-combat-patrol-speculation/#findComment-6057930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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