What did we lose?

[Adorondak]

Looking at the preview for pre-order today, the box includes 18 dataslate cards, three of which are for detachments, leaving us 15 slots for characters and units.

 

We know Dante, Mephi, Lemartes, Astorath, the Sanguinor, sanguinary priest, DC brutalis, dc jai, dc ai, and sanguinary guard are all getting dataslates, and it's reasonably safe to assume the new captain and Gabriel Seth will also have new dataslates of our fifteen slots we have three left to fill, assuming that all first born DC are now gone, and obviously the sanguinary priest with jump pack is gone that leaves us with with six current BA only models to fill those three slots.

 

My guess is tycho/dc tycho is finally getting the axe, and if they were going to keep corbulio around, all they would have had to do was stick and extra head and maybe an arm in the sanguinary priest box so he's likely gone too. That just leaves the baal pred, furioso dread and the librarian dread.

 

So unless I've missed some current BA only unit somewhere, it looks like we're keeping the baal predator, the furioso dreadnought and the librarian dreadnought for 10th edition.

 

Anybody see anything I'm missing and/or got a different theory?

[Blindhamster]

I think it’s unlikely we lose corbulo honestly

[Adorondak]

I would think so as well, I also think it would be odd to lose the DC furioso, but not the other 2 variants, kinda why I was asking opinions.

[Goranged]

New Captain Datasheet is for Combat Patrol, also I think we will get DC regular Intercessors along with DC Assault Intercessors.

 

Dante

Sanguinor 

Meph

Lemartes

Astorath

Seth

BA Captain

Sang Priest

Sang Guard

DC Intercessors

DC Assault Intercessors  

DC Jump Assault Intercessors 

DC Dread

Lib Dread

Baal Predator 

 

Edited August 21 by Goranged

[Blindhamster]

 

New Captain Datasheet is for Combat Patrol, also I think we will get DC regular Intercessors along with DC Assault Intercessors.

 

Dante

Sanguinor 

Meph

Lemartes

Astorath

Seth

Corbulo

DC Intercessors 

DC Assault Intercessors 

DC Jump Assault Intercessors 

DC Dread

Baal Predator 

Sang Guard

Lib Dread

Sang Priest

 

There will be a new captain datasheet anyway in theory, most of the wargear our new kit has, straight up doesn’t exist on the current datasheet 

[LSM]

 

I think it’s unlikely we lose corbulo honestly

 

The model's from '96 and been unavailable for awhile, right? Of that year's class, we've seen Mephiston and Dante updated, but I think Tycho(s) and Corbulo will be dropped.

 

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I also think that there's potential for the "Dreadnoughts will get Death Company rules" to be a Detachment thing, allowing Redemptors, Brutalis, and Balistus to get the [Death Company] keyword, instead of full on datasheets for them (or one of them). 

 

Though I wouldn't be surprised if they did have sheets.

 

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I agree that either the current Dreadnought trio stays, or the current trio goes, as they share a kit. (And the size difference between a Furioso/DC and a Brutalis means that they can't share a single universal datasheet.)

 

I had been confident of them staying, as they were (and still are) readily available from the UK store (while everything else was being removed or SOLD OUT ONLINE), but now they seem to have gone to SOLD OUT ONLINE in Northern America, which gives me pause.

 

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My fifteen:

1. Dante
2. Mephiston
3. Astorath
4. Lemartes
5. Blood Angels Captain
6. Sanguinor
7. Sanguinary Priest 
8. Sanguinary Guard
9. Death Company Assault Intercessors [Edit: Gabriel Seth]
10. Death Company Intercessors
11. Death Company Jump Pack Intercessors 
12. Death Company Dreadnought
13. Librarian Dreadnought
14. Furioso Dreadnought
15. Baal predator 

With a flex of: remove the 'Dred trio, and add Seth, a new DC Brutalis, and... maybe Corbulo stays after all? [Edit: ...and replace them with a suit of DC Brutalis, Redemptor, and Ballistus.]

 

 

Edited August 19 by LSM

[Karhedron]

I can't see us losing the Furioso but keeping the DC Dread and Libby Dread. I think it is more likely there will be one DC on foot entry. If DC keep the Boltrifle option, it will just a swap between that and the CS/BP. I can't see two separate DC on foot units.

[Karhedron]

 

The model's from '96 and been unavailable for awhile, right? Of that year's class, we've seen Mephiston and Dante updated, but I think Tycho(s) and Corbulo will be dropped.

 

I mean, the new Priest with the Chainsword is basically Corbulo in all-but name.

 

[Galron]

Granted, I paint Blood Angels for a palette cleanser and dont actually play them, but I see the Furioso and Librarian dreadnought going away plus Corbulo. They are getting rid of Box-naughts for the most part with space wolves being the oddballs. We have the Brutalis to take up the slack of the Furioso, and it never made any fluff sense to me why BA get Libby dreads and no one else does, especially when they already get so many other unique units. 

[LSM]

 

I mean, the new Priest with the Chainsword is basically Corbulo in all-but name.

 

Yep. 

 

But I think it's more likely that they'll expect people to run their old Corbulo model with the new 'Priest datasheet, than run the new 'Priest model with the old Corbulo datasheet.

 

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On DC (Assault) Intercessors - I agree, that was a last minute change and I had blanked on the fact that current DC Intercessors can take HBPs+CSs. Fold those together, and add Gabriel Seth back to my 15.

[Paladin777]

My guess (without reading the thread) is that the following are going away:

 

jump SP

furioso

libby dread

DC ints and foot DC will be consolidated

 

that brings our 19 down to 14. Add a BA specific captain and that puts us at 15. 
 

Edit: I can't do math! That puts at 16, so something else is going... hopefully not the Baal Pred! 

Edited August 19 by Paladin777

[MadGreek]

If the load out for DC Assault/Jump Assault Intercessors is the same, perhaps (just perhaps) they will be one data sheet with the option to add/remove Jump Pack from the entire squad. Isn't that how the old Assault DC worked? That would leave a  datasheet open for one of our "classic" units to return (please NOT Tycho - unless he's in a DC Dread )

[Paladin777]

Jump and foot DC will definitely be different datasheets. The datacard in this picture definitely says with jump pack. 

 

and no, Index assault marines used 2 different datasheets whether they had Jump packs or not. 
 

I still have a copy of the index on my phone and just checked. 

Edited August 19 by Paladin777

[DemonGSides]

I think MadGreek was speaking a little older than just earlier 10th ed :P

 

We're not losing the dreads, we're definitely losing Tycho and Corbulo.

[MadGreek]

 

I think MadGreek was speaking a little older than just earlier 10th ed :P

 

We're not losing the dreads, we're definitely losing Tycho and Corbulo.

Yeah. It was from awhile ago. Honestly, it could even have been Codex Space Marine Assault Squads and not BA specific - but I swear there was one Assault Marine datasheet with the option to take Jump Packs or not. Just thought that was a good option to "save" a datasheet slot.

[ThaneOfTas]

Okay, my bet is this

 

1. Sanguinor
2. Dante
3. Mephiston
4. Astorath
5. Lemartes
6. Seth
7. BA Captain
8. Sanguinary Priest
9. Sanguinary Guard
10. Foot DC
11. Jump DC
12. Baal Pred
13. DC Dread
14. Furioso Dread
15. Librarian Dread

 

[Tokugawa]

You have entirely wrong calculation.

 

"This set of 35 cards will help you track your Adepta Sororitas in your games – individual datasheets for every unit detail their profiles, wargear, options, and special abilities. You'll also find a reference card for the Adepta Sororitas army rule and special datasheet cards for use in Combat Patrol games.

Contents:
- 1x Army Rule Card
- 30x Adepta Sororitas Datasheet Cards
- 4x Combat Patrol Datasheet Cards"

 

In previous datacard product, detachment didn't count as "one datasheet card". But combat patrol exclusive card counts.

[Paladin777]

We have been given confirmation of 15 non-Combat Patrol datasheets. 
 

full stop. 

why are you going on about Sisters?

[Morticon]

 

We have been given confirmation of 15 non-Combat Patrol datasheets. 
 

full stop. 

why are you going on about Sisters?

 

A less aggressive approach would be more welcome, mate. He's clearly trying to draw a comparison. If you have confirmed contradicting info, it's very welcome.  

Appreciated 

[Paladin777]

Sorry... i wasn't trying to be aggressive. 

[Bash]

Well, I'm most concerned for my boy Gabriel Seth but I don't think he's getting dropped. I was worried until I saw the Flesh Tearer transfers in the box, Emperor knows its been a very veryyyyy long time since those have been released officially. 

I think the Librarian Dreadnought will survive too because it doesn't have a Primaris replacement and is quite unique in what it does, unlike the Furioso and DC that now both have flashy +1 versions. Likewise the Baal Predator will endure another edition I guess. I don't see why they'd scrap a variant when the normal ones still exist. 

My money's on Tycho 1+2, DC consolidation and Furioso all being dropped. Corbulo is a maybe, depending on if they want to just let you run the SP as him. 

I haven't seen anyone else bring it up but a Black Templar friend pointed out something interesting. Our upgrade sprue includes eviscerators, which are obviously meant to be used with the Death Company but alongside the inferno pistols may be "extra weapon options" for basic units in the future. Black Templar vehicles have a separate datasheet in their index to account for their multi-meltas, mayhap we will get variant Assault Intercessors with options for eviscerators? I hope not, as it is even more SM profile bloat, but also means another option goes to Legends as well. 

[Adorondak]

Honestly, after reading everybodies thoughts, as much as I hate it I have to change my.opinion. If my original list of "soft" confirmed dataslates was accurate, I think it most likely that we'll keep all three of our dread variants and loose the tychos, corbulio and the baal predator for the simple fact that they'll only have to continue production of a single first born kit to support the codex until the next edition.

 

I don't know the status of the other chapter specific kits, but that would leave blood angels with only a single FB kit left, which makes sense to me because when the.primaris were first revealed I figured it would take three to four editions for them to completely discontinue first born marines.

Edited August 21 by Adorondak
You'd think I'd've stop trusting autocorrect by this point

[LSM]

Hmmm... the Detachment preview doesn't mention anything about Dreadnoughts being able to gain the Death Company keyword (which, if it's the case, would have been an easy thing to highlight), so... I'm starting to lean towards the BA-trio going away.

 

(They are still available on the UK webstore though...)

[Goranged]

[Galron]

So looks like Tycho, the libby and Furioso dreads, and Corbulo didnt make the cut. Baal preds are still in the picture for another couple years at least. Whats funny is everything that I have painted is stuff that either has been removed over the years or has been nerfed into the ground over the last couple editions. One day I will learn to quit painting cool looking models lol