NOVA Open Preview - August 28th/29th

[Mogger351]

 

Doubt they're getting 3-4 characters or new infantry. Commissar, Marshal, Quartermaster, Death Rider Commissar, and a command squad? Seems like a stretch.
Otherwise sounds likely.
 

 

I keep seeing people saying things like this, but it's entirely possible to have waves that large. There's this trend of late that a BA sized release is about as good as it gets, it isn't.

[Robbienw]

Yeah, its unlikely it will be the same size as a non-codex space marine chapter release.

 

It will be more on the level of the Cadian release, possibly bigger.

 

[CL_Mission]

The Cadian release was 12 kits, 13 if we include Kasrkin. The Krieg release could be as big but maybe it won't be all Krieg. On the "road map" it's still Astra Millitarum so they might take the opportunity to throw in a new generic guard Basilisk( and Medusa dual kit?), it could take the slot of the Dorn if we are comparing releases. 

[Robbienw]

We must include the Kasrkin.

 

They should do the Macharius for its association with Kreig.  A Basilisk redo would be welcome as its long overdue, it still has the old mid-90’s parts for the gun.

[Emperor Ming]

Maybe they might choose one of the fw tanks to be plastic

 

Lots going to the graveyard in Jan

[TrawlingCleaner]

As sick as a full Krieg range would be, how realistic is creating "duplicate" kits for Krieg if they already exist? The wording in the article does say "a division of new plastic kits, taking them from a mere Kill Team to the meat-grinding army we know them to be." to be fair. Like Rough riders, HWTs, Command squads etc would all be sick but would upgrade sprues for them be more realistic?

What Krieg units could they release that don't already exist in the Guard range?

[Joe]

 

What Krieg units could they release that don't already exist in the Guard range?

 

Some of this is largely tied to Krieg, but is general IG, however; Centaur. Heavy Weapons Team with Stubber / . The Crassus, Praetor and Gorgon vehicles. The Macharius. The Ragnarok Heavy Tank. The Heavy Artillery pieces. The Hades Breaching Drill. Engineers (inc. with Mole Launcher). The Cyclops. The Thudd Gun.

 

There's quite a lot of Krieg or Krieg-associated units that don't currently have an equivalent, basically.

[Robbienw]

Upgrades for the kits you mention wouldn't really work as the Krieg look is too different.  Likely for these kits there will be all new versions.

 

For stuff like Heavy Weapons teams and Field Ordnance they could re-use the CAD file parts for the guns and do new Krieg crew.

 

I wouldn't be suprised to see a upgrade parts set though, but with stuff like tank crew and parts for the current Commissar to give him a gas mask, stuff like that.

[Joe]

I should stress that my post was more about shifting resin to plastic, less so about new units, as everything is covered by that resin category already.

[TrawlingCleaner]

 

Upgrades for the kits you mention wouldn't really work as the Krieg look is too different.  Likely for these kits there will be all new versions.

 

For stuff like Heavy Weapons teams and Field Ordnance they could re-use the CAD file parts for the guns and do new Krieg crew.

 

I wouldn't be suprised to see a upgrade parts set though, but with stuff like tank crew and parts for the current Commissar to give him a gas mask, stuff like that.

 

Ah fair points on the aesthetics side of things. I suppose having a new command squad, HWT, RoughRiders etc "but longcoat and gasmask" makes sense when looking at space marines' "but red/green/bone"

I'm all for more Krieg models to be honest, they're such a sick killteam!

[Marshal Rohr]

Cannot believe we’ve reached the absolute bottom where people ask if we need unique guard regiments. 

[Joe]

 

Cannot believe we’ve reached the absolute bottom where people ask if we need unique guard regiments. 

 

We live in a world where people continue to say "we don't need Imperial Army models in plastic in the Horus Heresy", despite that functionally being Vostroyan's.

 

 

[Mogger351]

 

Cannot believe we’ve reached the absolute bottom where people ask if we need unique guard regiments. 

Well, on paper,  no we don't. It's not an irrelevant question to be honest if the choice was between 7 or so kits of humans to be used for nigh identical units vs 7 new harlequin units for example.

 

That said, options are nice and they're cool to see so I'm all for it. But the question isn't absurd.

[INKS]

it is a shame and an aside really but it feels like there are just too many armies any more to all get support. too many space marine chapters to make rules and or models for, too many guard regiments we all want to see, too many just armies in general... in the last few years we've seen them cutting back in the sense of things going into legends, armies getting wrapped in and rumors of other armies getting wrapped in... guess that is just how it is. Back in 3rd edition when I started there were a lot less armies and so space marine chapters seen some more attention then they get today. Not saying this is good or bad, just a change in times.

[Joe]

@Noserenda I swear I'll buy a box of Sisters of Silence just to burn them in front of you. Cheeky sod. 

[Dark Shepherd]

 

I keep seeing people saying things like this, but it's entirely possible to have waves that large. There's this trend of late that a BA sized release is about as good as it gets, it isn't.

If theres one thing we know its that people who collect Krieg arent afraid of splurging :)

[Marshal Rohr]

 

Well, on paper,  no we don't. It's not an irrelevant question to be honest if the choice was between 7 or so kits of humans to be used for nigh identical units vs 7 new harlequin units for example.

 

That said, options are nice and they're cool to see so I'm all for it. But the question isn't absurd.

Sure but you can’t “who is this for” for the most beloved guard regiment ever made. The question is absurd because Krieg are the most popular guard by a mile. 

[Mogger351]

 

Sure but you can’t “who is this for” for the most beloved guard regiment ever made. The question is absurd because Krieg are the most popular guard by a mile. 

OK, based on what metric? But you absolutely can, no other army has alternate sculpts for their core range unless they do a marine-ification and grant every unit unique rules for the sakes of justifying their existence until the roster is too bloated and they cut stuff.

[Aarik]

I kind of doubt that we'll get Krieg versions of the full heavy weapons team and field ordinance battery boxes.  For some reason I thought the HWT sprues were cut in such a way that the crew and weapons were on a separate sprue, but they're not.  I think that GW wouldn't put out a full kit that duplicates so much of those two existing ones (i.e., the guns).  Instead, I wonder if we'll get a Krieg Crew Upgrade Sprue that has the crew that could be used for both boxes (six kneeling and two standing, with the necessary arms and heads), and replacement tank hatch/sentinel pilot crew.  I kind of doubt that we'll get deathriders for the same reason of not wanting to duplicate the new plastic rough rider kit, but the crew upgrade sprue might have bits to krieg-ify them too.  I do think we'll get a Krieg command squad, krieg marshal, some sort of mounted HQ (maybe a death rider commissar/marshal dual kit), and/or maybe a new named character, essentially duplicating what is explicitly "Cadian" in the current range.  It's also possible we'll get Krieg grenadiers or engineers, but I think grenadiers would duplicate kasrkin, and the "stormtroopers" niche in IG is full between kasrkin and scions.  So based on that, I think engineers would be more likely for a completely new unit.  But on the other hand, grenadiers might be the more iconic unit, and already having kasrkin and (new scions) shows that GW isn't afraid of unit role overlap, so it could go either way.  I think the release on the whole though will be 4-5 kits including a couple new characters, with only one or two "brand new" units.

[redmapa]

May be a bit wishlisting but we diget plastic versions of the Defender or Infernus Malcador so perhaps a plastic 40k kit with those builds could be part of the release.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

OK, based on what metric? But you absolutely can, no other army has alternate sculpts for their core range unless they do a marine-ification and grant every unit unique rules for the sakes of justifying their existence until the roster is too bloated and they cut stuff.

Ohhhh, you’re just new. Never mind, you’re absolutely right!

[TheMawr]

 

I kind of doubt that we'll get Krieg versions of the full heavy weapons team and field ordinance battery boxes.  For some reason I thought the HWT sprues were cut in such a way that the crew and weapons were on a separate sprue, but they're not.  I think that GW wouldn't put out a full kit that duplicates so much of those two existing ones (i.e., the guns).  Instead, I wonder if we'll get a Krieg Crew Upgrade Sprue that has the crew that could be used for both boxes (six kneeling and two standing, with the necessary arms and heads), and replacement tank hatch/sentinel pilot crew.  I kind of doubt that we'll get deathriders for the same reason of not wanting to duplicate the new plastic rough rider kit, but the crew upgrade sprue might have bits to krieg-ify them too.  I do think we'll get a Krieg command squad, krieg marshal, some sort of mounted HQ (maybe a death rider commissar/marshal dual kit), and/or maybe a new named character, essentially duplicating what is explicitly "Cadian" in the current range.  It's also possible we'll get Krieg grenadiers or engineers, but I think grenadiers would duplicate kasrkin, and the "stormtroopers" niche in IG is full between kasrkin and scions.  So based on that, I think engineers would be more likely for a completely new unit.  But on the other hand, grenadiers might be the more iconic unit, and already having kasrkin and (new scions) shows that GW isn't afraid of unit role overlap, so it could go either way.  I think the release on the whole though will be 4-5 kits including a couple new characters, with only one or two "brand new" units.

 

Exactly my thought, altough I have no game in it either way. But it sounds like "krieg will get what cadians got" should be taken as literal as possible.

Cadians got an infantry squad, HQ squad, Castellan, upgrade sprue and a named character.. thats it. the rogal dorn, commissar, ATILLAN rough riders and the weapon systems where not cadian releases, they are not marketed as cadian releases and they dont have cadia specific tags. If kasrkin counts for THEM is debatable.

 

"Castellan", HQ squad and upgrade sprue are a given. I could see an extra unit or extra character being on the cards possibly... hoping/wishing for more if you are a krieg fan is always good, but expecting more is a good chance to come out dissapointed, especially if your evidence boils down to either "look at the FW releases" or "imperial guard got X kits last time that had cadian styled guard in it, so now it shall be the same."

I also think the Deathrider element will be included, but comes in the form of a single (named?) character that is either LO or awkwardly leads atillan rough riders at best, infantry squad at worst, ofcourse GW never does this

 

In the past GW did make heavy weapon teams per regiment, but this was a very long time ago and a different GW, however one cant say for certain either way because this would be the first time GW could prove what direction they take that.. Im in the not likely camp myself. But this release will be the one we can build future expectations on (kinda)

 

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The eldar expectation/rumors are rather predictable and not too exciting for speculation, but something that needs to get over with.

Im curious about swooping hawks, the previous aspect warriors already where based on familiar redesigns ( and likely so will the firedragons) but hawks and spiders where skipped then, so could have a bigger evolution on the concept.

Current swooping hawks design language could basically be handled with an upgrade sprue to Guardians and I can imagine them deviating from that a bit more. Not to mention they are also still persistently in the killteam rumors.. uhmm wait a second :

 

Its an upgrade sprue kill team ! ( where did the spoiler tag option go btw ?)

I dont really expect this btw, but its curious exactly how Swooping hawks will be part of kill team. Blades of Khaine 2.0 ? an entirely seperate second aspect warrior kill team with no individual operatives again ? alt corsair built straight from the kit ?

 

Beyond the rumored Im curious if there is anything else not in the rumors, but I sadly dont even expect amallyn shadowguide releases seperate as a non epichero "pathfinder" character like they did with the imperial BSF crew.

 

Another interesting element is Karandras, I do believe he is not in the release now, I dont believe GW just forgot him. He is however an ideal candidate if you want a narrative involving commoragh to some extend towards the end of the edition.

 

 

[Noserenda]

Its from a time before they were available in plastic, but talking to a former FW caster, he was certainly of the opinion that the "love" for Krieg rarely extended to actually buying many of the models. They were fairly popular for FW, but thats crumbs compared to the main Guard ranges, and saw them consistently downsized over the years like everything else.

Obviously plastic makes them considerably more accessible but ive certainly not seen a flood of Krieg armies popping up in my groups compared to the bigger cadian release but i do skew towards kitbashes :D 

So yeah, I suspect they have grabbed the Catachans place as secondary guard regiment because it is nice to have variety in the range, but i dont think that will extend to keeping three in play. Poor catachans, most popular guard in metal but hamstrung hard by an early plastic kit with associated problems.

Id expect any new Aspects in kill team to just be slotted into blades of khaine, i dont think the hawks work as a guardian upgrade though, after replacing the legs, arms, head and adding wings you may as well do a fresh sculpt :D Plus a handful of Exarch toys obviously! 

I think the Eldar rumours have been pretty consistent about just Aspect warriors, but it would be nice to see upgrades to their remaining 90's vehicles! 

Oooh and Imperial army regulars plastics would be amazing, but im sure SGS is trying to pretend they dont exist. I wouldnt go Vorstroyan though, RETURN THE NECROMUNDAN SPIDERS GW! :D 

But yeah the Imperial army is so varied you should be able to field anything, like... Anything. The Guard is the result of trying to stamp some uniformity on its predecessor, or at least consistently provide a lasgun lol

[MadEdric]

 

Cannot believe we’ve reached the absolute bottom where people ask if we need unique guard regiments. 

We've already reached the point where people say that Deathwatch should not be an army.

[MechaMan]

We already have one plastic Grenadier in the Veteran's Guardsmen Kill Team set, would love nine more. Also think they should do Heavy Weapons Teams given that Krieg get unique weapons, like the heavy stubber, heavy flamer etc.