NOVA Open Preview - August 28th/29th

[WrathOfTheLion]

I wonder if they decided to pair the plastic melee weapons with an armor mk in some box, analogous to the one MK IIIs came out in.

 

As for the next 30k edition, I doubt it will be mentioned here. Much more likely the roadmap will conveniently stop right before june/july.

Edited August 19 by WrathOfTheLion

[Wormwoods]

 

Heresy, but a scale shift to 54mm.

Not gonna lie, once they eventually try to do Battlefleet Gothic again, I wouldn't turn my nose up at Inquisitor 2.0.

[ZeroWolf]

 

Not gonna lie, once they eventually try to do Battlefleet Gothic again, I wouldn't turn my nose up at Inquisitor 2.0.

I would love that. Been looking for those old models and found them at eye-watering prices. Wish I never parted with my 54mm scale Genestealer, bet I could do a fantastic job on him now.

[Mr Farson]

 

I wonder if they decided to pair the plastic melee weapons with an armor mk in some box, analogous to the one MK IIIs came out in.

 

 

 

I'm at this point assuming that the melee weapon sprue has evolved into a despoiler squad and melee weapon upgrade sprue instead.

 

There's no way the melee weapon upgrades could take any length of time to design when there's currently three different set of melee arms in production.

 

 

[Aarik]

 

Problem is, it probably won't be an early 2025 release. GW will move it to the summer. Later this year we're getting Lord of the Rings: War of the Rohrimm edition so I'd imagine that would decrease any chance of HH 3rd till summer

 

 

Add in the fact that AoS and 40k aren't due a new edition next summer AND heresy 2.0 hits 3 years old then... I'd wager summer 2025 is a sound bet.

 

Yeah, I think GW will move Heresy into the third "main game" slot, with a new edition coming every three years like 40k and AOS.  And I think I'd like Old World to be added as a fourth main game to move the edition refreshes to every four years rather than three.

Edited August 19 by Aarik

[Flaherty]

 

 

 

Yeah, I think GW will move Heresy into the third "main game" slot, with a new edition coming every three years like 40k and AOS.  And I think I'd like Old World to be added as a fourth main game to move the edition refreshes to every four years rather than three.

I think it's more likely to go the other way and we end up getting a new "edition" of 40K every other year.

 

AoS 4.0 seems to have flopped hard, at least in the US. One retailer I follow has 359 copies of Skaventide and hasn't shifted one in ~10 days. 

 

They'd have to change the codex release strategy, likely embracing digital rules, but 40K is clearly the company's bread and butter. The latest investor letter called it out as such, noting that a new edition was the highlight of their three-year cycle. Why continue to invest in franchises with middling popularity when you have a cash machine?

[Scribe]

 

I think it's more likely to go the other way and we end up getting a new "edition" of 40K every other year.

 

That would be high on my list of 'how to kill your game in 5 easy steps, you wont believe number 3!'.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I am desperate for plastic Space Marine releases for HH 2.0. 

 

 

[01RTB01]

 

I think it's more likely to go the other way and we end up getting a new "edition" of 40K every other year.

 

AoS 4.0 seems to have flopped hard, at least in the US. One retailer I follow has 359 copies of Skaventide and hasn't shifted one in ~10 days. 

 

They'd have to change the codex release strategy, likely embracing digital rules, but 40K is clearly the company's bread and butter. The latest investor letter called it out as such, noting that a new edition was the highlight of their three-year cycle. Why continue to invest in franchises with middling popularity when you have a cash machine?

 

That's really anecdotal, we won't know until the financials come round how AoS is doing. Also ironic as AoS is in a much better state as a game compared to 40k and that's being objective. 40k releases now, largely look like 40k releases from the past 15 years, just 'a bit shinier' [yet lacking in soul].

 

There's no way they'll do a new edition of 40k every year, that'd be insane to design, let alone play test, produce and distribute. I'd put money on my mother-in-law's existence that GW will never switch to an annual cycle, people are disgruntled enough with 3 years. 1 year really would kill it.

 

That all said, new stormcast, new resin primarch to be seen at Nova. 40k - new codexes announced?

 

I am desperate for plastic Space Marine releases for HH 2.0. 

 

 

We just really need breachers and melee weapons and we're set for the foreseeable. Plastic speeders/ sabres would be great but I'm not holding my breath. I think there's more mech and auxilia to come. However, I am excited for the new dread and terms that Valrak has 'rumoured' [I'm taking as fact based on everything else he's said lol].

[Redcomet]

 

I think it's more likely to go the other way and we end up getting a new "edition" of 40K every other year.

 

AoS 4.0 seems to have flopped hard, at least in the US. One retailer I follow has 359 copies of Skaventide and hasn't shifted one in ~10 days. 

 

They'd have to change the codex release strategy, likely embracing digital rules, but 40K is clearly the company's bread and butter. The latest investor letter called it out as such, noting that a new edition was the highlight of their three-year cycle. Why continue to invest in franchises with middling popularity when you have a cash machine?

Sounds more like the retailer messed up and bough too many. AoS is selling more than whfb ever did. And no game will sell the same as 40k. But using your logic all other game lines at GW should be axed then.

 

We will get a codex/armybook roadmap for the rest of the year for 40k and AoS. A reveal of the coming Stormcast minis. A glimpse of what follows chaos is ToW and what army follows that. Some more Mechanicum minis and what book comes after that for HH.

[Cleon]

There's 'need' and there's 'want'.

 

When it comes to plastic - I need despoilers, breachers and a redo of terminators to better fit the HH squad (more combis and power weapons), I want Assault marines and Bike riders in something other than MK6 (ideally Mk4), Javelins, Sabres and the other turrets for the Sicarans...

[Mr Farson]

I imagine the mechanicum will also get a roster expansion similar to sa did with their sentinels.

 

The non marine factions are pretty limited in rosters and do need some expansion.

 

Of course the easy option would be to port the 40k admech line over as a lot of it has been mentioned as era accurate

 

 

[ZeroWolf]

 

We will get a codex/armybook roadmap for the rest of the year for 40k and AoS. A reveal of the coming Stormcast minis. A glimpse of what follows chaos is ToW and what army follows that. Some more Mechanicum minis and what book comes after that for HH.

I feel like this is the most realistic outcome here.

[Magos Takatus]

It's funny, my first reaction was "oh great, so it's a preview showing some codex covers and little else" and then I realised how unreasonable I was being. I am failing miserably to keep up with the unrelenting treadmill of awesome model releases and if anything I need time to work through the two large box sets I ordered recently as well as my army backlogs and other assorted projects. I might have to give up sleep in order to catch up at this rate! 

[silverstu]

Mainly interested in the 40k road map. I'm hoping for Votann before Christmas, I think we might get a couple of codex + single model releases before a big 40k release. Maybe something like Black Templars or Chaos/Imperial Knights. Guard or Eldar are also strong possibilities for a big release before Christmas this year..

Otherwise I hope the the reveals/chat will surprise me.

[Xenith]

 

Yeah, I think GW will move Heresy into the third "main game" slot, with a new edition coming every three years like 40k and AOS.

 

They are effectively already doing that with the release of AoD1.0 in the 2022 June Tentpole slot. Admittedly one datapoint does not a trend make, so if GW's pattern with AoS and 40k holds, we'll see AoD2.0 in 2025, otherwise their plans might have changed. Strong possibility that they've been holding back the remaining vehicles/flyers/superheavies for the 2.0 release to keep people intereted and keep people buying. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

 

 

They are effectively already doing that with the release of AoD1.0 in the 2022 June Tentpole slot. Admittedly one datapoint does not a trend make, so if GW's pattern with AoS and 40k holds, we'll see AoD2.0 in 2025, otherwise their plans might have changed. Strong possibility that they've been holding back the remaining vehicles/flyers/superheavies for the 2.0 release to keep people intereted and keep people buying. 

It'll be interesting if it moves to a three year cycle, or if just this time it is three years. I think that if Anuj was the main writer of 2E, and he is gone, they may have decided to move to a new edition over patching the current design, especially if they have different views of how things work.

 

So it'll take one further edition to really gauge whether they've moved to that kind of cycle.

[jimbo1701]

40K predictions for rest of this year:

 

- one of death guard or thousand sons, which will answer the rumours around daemons being rolled in to cult codexes.  
- one or both knight books with the single rumored ‘shield knight’ to be added to both books. 
- one of world eaters or votann wave 2, hopefully rolled into release box in November with the army book. 
- outside chance of drukhari getting a release, hopefully not simply a single character (rakarth?) and actually addressing the remaining fine cast in the range as plastic releases. 
 

(based on valrak rumors and gw info that grey knights, eldar and guard/krieg not coming in 2024)

 

outstanding updates for reference:

imperial:

- knights 

- guard

- grey knights 

- space wolves 

- black templars 

 

xenos:

- eldar

- drukhari

- votann

chaos:

- demons*

- knights

- thousand sons 

- death guard

- world eaters 

- (emperors children)**

* rumored to be rolled into individual god books 

** likely end of 10th release. 

 

[Mr Farson]

 

 

They are effectively already doing that with the release of AoD1.0 in the 2022 June Tentpole slot. Admittedly one datapoint does not a trend make, so if GW's pattern with AoS and 40k holds, we'll see AoD2.0 in 2025, otherwise their plans might have changed. Strong possibility that they've been holding back the remaining vehicles/flyers/superheavies for the 2.0 release to keep people intereted and keep people buying. 

 

 

I have a feeling this edition of heresy is similar to 6th ed 40k where it was always a stop gap edition to ease people into larger changers in 3.0 as 7th was

[Matcap86]

 

Sounds more like the retailer messed up and bough too many. AoS is selling more than whfb ever did. And no game will sell the same as 40k. But using your logic all other game lines at GW should be axed then.

 

We will get a codex/armybook roadmap for the rest of the year for 40k and AoS. A reveal of the coming Stormcast minis. A glimpse of what follows chaos is ToW and what army follows that. Some more Mechanicum minis and what book comes after that for HH.

 

We might also get some new LI previews as those usually get shunted under the Horus Heresy nomer and everything that was previewed has been released/up for preorder. 

[ThePenitentOne]

 

Not gonna lie, once they eventually try to do Battlefleet Gothic again, I wouldn't turn my nose up at Inquisitor 2.0.

 

I loved Inquisitor's rules.

 

Personally, I think 54 mm scale was what killed that game though. They only ever made, what, 20 minis? While THOUSANDS of perfectly usable 28 mm models were ignored.

 

"Hey, see this big universe of hundreds of possible character concepts? Well good news: we've narrowed those hundreds of possibilities down to fifteen that you can use. Oh, and for those of you who LOVE building terrain, guess what? We've also ensured that you'll now have to build two sets of it, because it won't be compatible across games either!"

 

Now if they release an Inquisitor book for 28 mm play, I'm totally down for that, and it would justify further additions to the Agents (of both Imperium and Chaos).

 

54 mm models are fine- I'm not saying they shouldn't exist. But like other manufacturers who offer them, just use them as collector pieces- you're unnecessarily limiting the game by giving people so few choices.

[Norman Paperman]

Roadmaps will be nice to see. I assume there are Christmas Battleforces coming again, so this will allow for a bit of project planning over the next few months. Can salivate over FOMO boxes rather than paint, which is always fun. 

Edited August 20 by Norman Paperman

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

 

That all said, new stormcast, new resin primarch to be seen at Nova. 40k - new codexes announced?

We just really need breachers and melee weapons and we're set for the foreseeable. Plastic speeders/ sabres would be great but I'm not holding my breath. I think there's more mech and auxilia to come. However, I am excited for the new dread and terms that Valrak has 'rumoured' [I'm taking as fact based on everything else he's said lol].

Plastic javelins and outriders is my dream at this point. I love javelins, but that chunk of resin on a stem isn't ideal. As well as paying damn need $100 for THREE outriders is insane, when you want to run 5-6 per squad, and multiple squads..
 

 

There's 'need' and there's 'want'.

 

When it comes to plastic - I need despoilers, breachers and a redo of terminators to better fit the HH squad (more combis and power weapons), I want Assault marines and Bike riders in something other than MK6 (ideally Mk4), Javelins, Sabres and the other turrets for the Sicarans...

Another point for Javelins! Mark 4 for crew works really well, I had heard that the new riders on the plastic scimitars are a separate sprue entirely, so maybe?

[Tyriks]

 

Plastic javelins and outriders is my dream at this point. I love javelins, but that chunk of resin on a stem isn't ideal. As well as paying damn need $100 for THREE outriders is insane, when you want to run 5-6 per squad, and multiple squads..
 

Another point for Javelins! Mark 4 for crew works really well, I had heard that the new riders on the plastic scimitars are a separate sprue entirely, so maybe?

I can confirm, the Skyhunter box is 3 bike frames and one frame of 3 riders. I'd love a plastic Land Speeder kit!  My Sagyar Mazan list needs some speeders for sure.

[Scribe]

 

Now if they release an Inquisitor book for 28 mm play, I'm totally down for that, and it would justify further additions to the Agents (of both Imperium and Chaos).

 

Its absolutely insane to me that they dont support this, yet we have 2 AoS skirmish systems.

 

Inq28, small warbands of 3-5 models? I cannot imagine it wouldnt make money.