LI FAQ

[Deschenus Maximus]

 

Over 9,000 on an Epic 30k site.

 

Mind sharing which site that is?

[Interrogator Stobz]

No worries, my link-fu is weak, but it's called: EPIC 30k Legions Imperialis 

[Deschenus Maximus]

 

No worries, my link-fu is weak, but it's called: EPIC 30k Legions Imperialis 

 

That's the name of the site with the forum? Or the FB group?

[DuskRaider]

Here’s the FB Groups I’m in:

 

Legions Imperialis Epic Battles in the 31st Millennium

 

Epic 30K Legions Imperialis

 

And the Subreddit:

 

r/LegionsImperialis

 

I think I remember an Epic 30K site a while back that I joined, but I never really participated and that was years ago when I was buying up Forumware models for my Titanicus bases and whatnot. 

[Interrogator Stobz]

 

 

That's the name of the site with the forum? Or the FB group?

What  Dusk just shared 

[d503]

Can units with skyfire split fire like point defence?  Use the Acastus knight as an example.  Can I shoot the magma lascannons at a land target, and shoot the skyfire missiles at a separate air target?

 

Please clarify how the flamer templates interact with buildings

 

Also, please FAQ all superheavy tanks to have 3 wounds, without changing the points cost.  The game really needs baneblades(etc) to not suck.  It's okay if Malcadors suck, they look like they should suck.

Edited September 2 by d503

[Crablezworth]

 

Can units with skyfire split fire like point defence?  Use the Acastus knight as an example.  Can I shoot the magma lascannons at a land target, and shoot the skyfire missiles at a separate air target?

 

Please clarify how the flamer templates interact with buildings

 

Also, please FAQ all superheavy tanks to have 3 wounds, without changing the points cost.  The game really needs baneblades(etc) to not suck.  It's okay if Malcadors suck, they look like they should suck.

 

For skyfire yes but the 2nd target has to be a flyer

 

Yeah they should clarify templates and structures, this is the current understanding of it: 

 

[Deschenus Maximus]

 

Can units with skyfire split fire like point defence?  Use the Acastus knight as an example.  Can I shoot the magma lascannons at a land target, and shoot the skyfire missiles at a separate air target?

No, they can’t. The paragraph in the Point Defence special rule that allows for that is not in the Skyfire rules. Consequently, if you shoot at a Flyer secondary target, you must do so with all your guns.

 

This might be an unintentional oversight but currently, that’s the RAW answer.

[Crablezworth]

 

No, they can’t. The paragraph in the Point Defence special rule that allows for that is not in the Skyfire rules. Consequently, if you shoot at a Flyer secondary target, you must do so with all your guns.

 

This might be an unintentional oversight but currently, that’s the RAW answer.

 

"Models with at least one weapon with the Skyfire trait may choose to fire on its Detachment's target or a Secondary Target; a Secondary Target is an eligible target (i.e., within range and line of sight of the firing model) different from the first chosen target. The Secondary Target must be a model with the Flyer special rule. All firing Skyfire weapons must target the same Flyer Detachment, unless another rule overrides this." 

You can split fire if the target is a flyer 

 

[Deschenus Maximus]

 

 

"Models with at least one weapon with the Skyfire trait may choose to fire on its Detachment's target or a Secondary Target; a Secondary Target is an eligible target (i.e., within range and line of sight of the firing model) different from the first chosen target. The Secondary Target must be a model with the Flyer special rule. All firing Skyfire weapons must target the same Flyer Detachment, unless another rule overrides this." 

You can split fire if the target is a flyer 

 

Yes, the whole model can split fire from the rest of the Detachment, but if it chooses to do so, it must do so with all its weapons, not just those with Skyfire. 

[Crablezworth]

 

Yes, the whole model can split fire from the rest of the Detachment, but if it chooses to do so, it must do so with all its weapons, not just those with Skyfire. 

 

It just say all skyfire weapons, meaning it all needs to be the same flyer detachment. 

 

"All firing Skyfire weapons must target the same Flyer Detachment, unless another rule overrides this." 

 

All weapons with skyfire that are firing must do so at the same flyer detachment, they can't target a flyer each. 

 

"all firing skyfire weapons" all isn't referring to the model here, it's referring to the firing skyfire weapons. 

 

so using a deredeo detachment, they could fire their main guns at a nearby detachment but splitfire with their missiles at a nearby flyer detachment. 

Edited September 3 by Crablezworth

[apologist]

Quick one for FAQ:

 

• As written, the Cyclops Demolition Vehicle can't hurt infantry in buildings (as the hole in the template is placed over the Cyclops; but to affect the building, the hole needs to be over it). Is this correct?

[Crablezworth]

 

Quick one for FAQ:

 

• As written, the Cyclops Demolition Vehicle can't hurt infantry in buildings (as the hole in the template is placed over the Cyclops; but to affect the building, the hole needs to be over it). Is this correct?

 

Yes, and even if one writes it to allow it to just touch, it needs permission to do so like with wrecker. 

 

On top of that, they currently can break their own formations as nothing exempts them from break point. 

[Deschenus Maximus]

 

 

It just say all skyfire weapons, meaning it all needs to be the same flyer detachment. 

 

That bit of the paragraph (the last sentence you quoted) is there to prevent 1) designating a Flyer Detachment as the Primary Target and another Flyer Detachment as the Secondary Target 2) disallow a weapon that has both PD and Skyfire (like the Marauder's heavy bolters) to shoot at yet another Flyer Detachment. 

 

The Skyfire rule doesn't have this bit of that is present in the Point Defence rule and that enables just the PD weapons (rather than the whole model with all its guns) to be fired at the Secondary Target (sorry for the crappy quality of the pic):

 

 

If PD didn't have that paragraph, PD weapons would necessitate that the model bearing them fire ALL its guns at the Secondary Target rather than just the PD weapons.

[Crablezworth]

I'm not seeing what prevents deredeos from splitting fire into a secondary target that is a flyer with only their skyfire weapons 

 

And there are pd weapoons with skyfire but no light at that aren't even able to currently target flyers as we know all the marine flyer heavy bolters currently have that problem 

[Deschenus Maximus]

 

I'm not seeing what prevents deredeos from splitting fire into a secondary target that is a flyer with only their skyfire weapons 

Where does it say they can do that? I’m happy to be proven wrong but reading and rereading the Skyfire rule, it doesn’t actually say anywhere that they can do that. 

[Crablezworth]

 

Where does it say they can do that? I’m happy to be proven wrong but reading and rereading the Skyfire rule, it doesn’t actually say anywhere that they can do that. 

 

"Models with at least one weapon with the Skyfire trait may choose to fire on its Detachment's target or a Secondary Target; a Secondary Target is an eligible target (i.e., within range and line of sight of the firing model) different from the first chosen target. The Secondary Target must be a model with the Flyer special rule. All firing Skyfire weapons must target the same Flyer Detachment, unless another rule overrides this." 

 

if it said all models I'd agree with you, but its not clear at all. 

 

The first sentence allows for the the possibility that you're firing all weapons at a flyer detachment to begin with and wish to split fire at a second flyer detachment, for example, with only the skyfire weapons. Where is that prevented exactly? If deredeos shoot all their guns including their skyfire into only one detachment of flyers they've fulfiffled all requirements, if they split fire with just their skyfire weapons at second flyer detachment they've fulfilled all requirements. 

 

Again the way the last sentence is worded it could be referring to all models that are firing weapons with the skyfire trait, it could also be referring to the weapons themselves firing and having the skyfire trait.  

[Deschenus Maximus]

The first sentence doesnt allow for that, though. That’s the thing I’m saying. The sentence would need to read “A model with Skyfire weapons may fire THEM (referring to the Skyfire weapons) at the Detachemnt’s target or a secondary target”

 

Since the THEM is missing, the first sentence allows the model to shoot at a different target but as the base shooting rules state, “Unless instructed otherwise, a given model must fire all of its weapons that it chose to fire at the same target.” 
 

So since there is nothing in the Skyfire rule that explicitly states that you can split your Skyfire weapons fire off, you are bound by the base rule for shooting.

Edited September 3 by Deschenus Maximus

[SkimaskMohawk]

Raw ya, there's no explicit permission to split weapons or models into secondary targets.

 

But it's also obvious that they wrote a lot of the rules like :cuss:. The titan permission to split fire uses different terminology from the point defence permission. The secondary target stuff is actually never referenced further in any of the three as some sort of mechanical interaction. Its clear that it was a part that was never fully fleshed out and just forgotten about, but it clearly was meant to enable split fire in skyfire, otherwise it's completely superfluous; it lets you shoot something else in range and los from what you just decided to shoot that was in range and los lol. 

 

Doesn't hurt to throw it in the faq pile.

[Deschenus Maximus]

Yeah it very well may be that they just forgot to add some text. I am happy with either outcome if they do FAQ it.

[Crablezworth]

Well all weapons on a deredeo on first fire order gain tracking array, which gives all its weapons skyfire, I think it's a pretty silly argument to say the only weapon that can actually splitfire in the case of 2 flyer detachments in range is the 8 inch ranged sarcophqagus mounted weapons because they have pd even though they like marine flyer bolters are light and can't even target fltyers. 

 

I'd simply saythat rules as intended I think it's pretty clear. RAW eats itself. And it's not exactly a consistent book or rule set. 

Edited September 3 by Crablezworth

[SkimaskMohawk]

Its silly for sure, but worth of throwing into a faq compilation to get smoothed out if the opportunity presents itself. Far more worthy than something like "does the predator sponson really only get 1 shot?".

[Crablezworth]

 

Its silly for sure, but worth of throwing into a faq compilation to get smoothed out if the opportunity presents itself. Far more worthy than something like "does the predator sponson really only get 1 shot?".

 

For sure, it's right up there too with marine flyer's bolters finally getting light at like aux

[Deschenus Maximus]

@Mandragola Another one I just remembered: The Raven Guard legion trait states that Infantry with Dedicated Transports gain Forward Deployment instead of Infiltrate. Clearly, the intent is for such Detachments to be able to use Forward Deployment while embarked on their Transports. Problem is, the Forward Deployment rule doesn't state that a Detachment with said rule transfers it to their Dedicated Transport. So if the RG infantry start the game embarked on their Rhinos, they can't Forward Deploy.

 

The FAQ just needs to add a sentence to the Forward Deployment rule that states something like "If an Infantry Detachment with this Special Rule has Dedicated Transports, said Dedicated Transports gain the Forward Detachment Special Rule also; however, an Infantry Detachment may not Disembark from its Dedicated Transports until the first Round of the game if said Transports perform a Forward Deployment move." 

[apologist]

 

Its silly for sure, but worth of throwing into a faq compilation to get smoothed out if the opportunity presents itself. Far more worthy than something like "does the predator sponson really only get 1 shot?".

For the record, I think I listed this earlier – not because I think the answer's unclear, but simply because I've seen so many people ask about it that it's very much a Frequently Asked Question! :)