Positive Spin on the Nova Reveals

[HeadlessCross]

Why are you trying to "inject positivity" for a disaster of a preview by a company worth millions?

 

If any other company did that, nobody would be trying to make the same thread as this one. 

[MechaMan]

 

What recent Catachan command squad are you talking about?

those two limited run character models are the only ones I’m familiar with recently.

The command squad was released in 2008, I think. But it’s a good kit. I forgot Sly Marbo too! I don’t think any of those are disastrous. Only the 20th century kits. 

[Lord Marshal]

 

In regards to the krieg, I can’t be happy about gas mask geeks.

catachan deserve a refresh long before krieg.

 

They couldn't resist the pull of all that memelord money.

[ZeroWolf]

 

 

They couldn't resist the pull of all that memelord money.

Considering the love for them from my sons friends, they weren't wrong.

[Norman Paperman]

I think new Krieg will get really hype when it rolls around! New Aeldari models will undoubtedly be popular as well. 

 

No doubt that nothing for 4 months is a huge drag, but if they announced the above two (plus Knights) in October, people would be happy. 

 

My main positive spin is that now I've got tons of time to paint before the sirens start signing to my wallet again! I like both Krieg and Eldar...

[Noserenda]

The catachan infantry havent aged poorly, they always sucked, bless their biceps thicker than contemporary power armour ;) Just at the time the thought of plastic guard was intoxicating! 

[MechaMan]

 

The catachan infantry havent aged poorly, they always sucked, bless their biceps thicker than contemporary power armour ;) Just at the time the thought of plastic guard was intoxicating! 

Haha this is true. But the 1998/9 paint job certainly makes them stick out even more. 

[INKS]

 

Why are you trying to "inject positivity" for a disaster of a preview by a company worth millions?

 

If any other company did that, nobody would be trying to make the same thread as this one. 

I do not see a problem. I wanted to start a thread where we can talk about taking away some of the positives of the news we got. It's ok if you don't agree with that, it's ok if you don't see any positives. But it's equally ok for those of us who would like to share with what positives we got from the news. 

 

As a small reminder. Warcry isn't covered here at the Bolter and Chainsword. It was mentioned above, and I understand some of the response, but please lets keep this in context of what is covered here on the board. thank you.

 

[crimsondave]

 

 

Space Nam has you covered there! Wargames Atlantic sells them and the price is excellent.

This is the way.  I’m not even that big of a fan but I bought enough to make a platoon and a command squad.  There are tons of 3d printed characters on Etsy too.  It’s way cheaper than GW and looks so much better.

 

Edited August 31 by crimsondave

[calgar101]

The Krieg update is awesome and I've always wanted to do them. Also it could foreshadow more range refreshing for the Guard; Catachan would definitely get some updated models but we might see some of the other famous regiments too. Plastic Vostroyan? Possibly done via kill teams? 

[Dark Shepherd]

SIlver lining is we are due a megatonne of 40k releases next year

 

And to borrow from Auspex Tactics, maybe if ao many 10th codexes come out late then theyll stay valid in 11th

[ZeroWolf]

 

The Krieg update is awesome and I've always wanted to do them. Also it could foreshadow more range refreshing for the Guard; Catachan would definitely get some updated models but we might see some of the other famous regiments too. Plastic Vostroyan? Possibly done via kill teams? 

If I were in charge of GW, I'd do a series of different guard regiments and then look at sales for them to gauge which ones got an expanded plastic range...I realise at that point the IG range would be vastly bigger than the space marine one but...you know 

[INKS]

 

If I were in charge of GW, I'd do a series of different guard regiments and then look at sales for them to gauge which ones got an expanded plastic range...I realise at that point the IG range would be vastly bigger than the space marine one but...you know 

Test the waters for sure

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

 

This is the way.  I’m not even that big of a fan but I bought enough to make a platoon and a command squad.  There are tons of 3d printed characters on Etsy too.  It’s way cheaper than GW and looks so much better.

 

Yep, it looks like Gee-Dubbs lost the Space Nam war decisively. Other companies offer better models. Wargames Exclusive even have a proper Choppa in order to play incessantly "Fortunate Son" from. In addition they offer Catachans riding raptor lizards.

[sitnam]

 

 

2) Warcry - there was nothing mentioned; they talked up an expansion that came out months ago; my hope here is that they kill the game due to low sales and focus more effort on KillTeam in its stead.

 

Itd be a shame to kill the better skirmish game when they already focus more on Kill Team

[Magos Takatus]

 

 

Impressively selfish and entitled. Not at all shocked it's coming from someone on the 40k side of things. Wishing other people's game gets destroyed so yours can get more attention is really low. 

In almost every situation I would agree, but that last Lord of the Rings tie-in model as the final reveal annoyed me slightly. When the game was tied in to the movie trilogy I thought it was a good opportunity for GW, when the Hobbit films came out I thought they were flogging a dead horse. Now it feels like they are just smashing that skeleton up into bone meal. 

 

As for Krieg verses Catachan, It's no contest for me. Krieg were not one of the 2nd edition 40k ranges but I can picture them in the 40k setting far more easily nowadays compared to the soldiers from Catachan.. Someone in the thread mentioned that they thought a Krieg release would satisfy the "meme lords" in the community. Sure, there's a lot of Krieg memes but the Catachans are just a walking meme at this point. I bet most people who still collect Catachans can quote the movie "Predator" from memory nowadays and shout "Get to tha Choppa!" every time their Valkyrie enters the battlefield. 40k is a setting built on endless, grinding attrition and you already know which planet has built it's reputation upon that mindset.

 

My personal opinion on that reveal is a selfish one if I am honest. A four month gap with no 40k releases? Lovely. That gives me a brief moment to get stuck into my pile of shame and get prepared for the Aeldari release. I'll be happy to see Krieg finally end up in more people's hands after languishing under Forge World's neglectful watch (I don't think that's FW's fault, GW's central offices would clearly control what FW are allowed to do now). If they are going to drag me into playing guard their best shot to do it would be with Either Krieg or the Vostroyans.

 

I need two Armiger Helverins and a Questoris Knight completed before I think about any Knights releases and the pile of shame for my Eldar is truly frightening. I guess my wallet needs a break and my brushes need more exercise! 

 

Edited September 2 by Magos Takatus

[Vassakov]

The more I think about this, the more I think they just boxed themselves into a corner here. 

 

I don't think it's reasonable to expect much more than a six-month window for previews - much more than that, you're at the risk of unforeseen events knocking the release schedule (*cough Heresy melee weapons cough*), not to mention if you tell your customers that you're doing new stuff for their army they will of course pause any purchases until they know what is coming. Just look at the number of people going "well, I'm not doing anything with Aelderi for the next six months other than paint a few things."

 

So, 6 months from now - that takes us to about February? Well, we've basically got that now across all their systems. The "new" info was Aelderi and Krieg for 40k, Slaves to Darkness for AoS and some more Warriors of Chaos for TOW coming at the back end of this year and early 2025 (plus I think Empire in Q1 '25.)

 

But as for 2024... well, we kinda knew it all already. There's massive release waves for Stormcast and Skaven, the full release of Blood Angels, MESBG & whatever they've got for the new film, Kill Team: Hivestorm, and then the inevitable Christmas battleforces which will drop in what, late November? That's hardly a "light" release slate.

 

Of course, the issue is that this forum is solely focused on 40k, and so only two and a half of those big releases are relevant here, so it feels extremely disappointing. Especially as most of us had hoped there might be one more Codex this year, but I suspect that the MESBG has probably pushed that to Jan '25.

[Halandaar]

 

2) Warcry - there was nothing mentioned; they talked up an expansion that came out months ago; my hope here is that they kill the game due to low sales and focus more effort on KillTeam in its stead.

 

Wow, congrats. This is such a terrible take that it warrants petitioning the admins for a "disrespectfully disagree" reaction. Kill Team already gets significantly more attention despite being an inferior game to Warcry by a wide margin. Hopefully the new KT edition takes some inspiration from it but I won't hold my breath. 

 

 

In general, any decision that focuses more resources on 40K is a good thing! 

 

40k doesn't need more resources, it already gets the lions share of design and release bandwidth. What it needs is different leadership because it has been overtaken by AoS properties in almost every respect over the last few years (barring sales, of course). 

 

AoS is a better run game system than 40k, it's campaign supplements are better, it's balance is better, Spearhead is a proper game whereas Combat Patrol is like a half-arsed afterthought, Warcry is a tighter and more elegant play experience than Kill Team, all the most impressive mini design is coming in AoS rather than 40k which feels like it is mostly just rehashing the same things over and over again (and even managing to make them markedly worse than their previous iterations in some cases). None of this is a resource allocation issue, it's a leadership and design direction issue. 

 

 

 

Edited September 1 by Halandaar

[Joe]

The most positive thing to come out of Nova was the reveal of Wulf, the Dunlending character, in plastic. Which means he'll be in the new starter box for 7e MESBG. Which means...

 

... Plastic Dunlending Warriors.

[phandaal]

 

all the most impressive mini design is coming in AoS rather than 40k which feels like it is mostly just rehashing the same things over and over again

 

AoS is no better than 40k for being hit or miss. The big recent AoS character reveal is an awkwardly posed generic "not power armor" leader standing on an unnecessary rock and showing you their weapon, for example. The recent clanrats update was neat, but then again so was the Kroot refresh, or new Terminators, or the recent Tempestus unit. Really just depends on if they used their professional sculptors or the ones they hired from Fiverr.

 

Also, does AoS still have the potential for one player to get two full turns in a row? If so, it is hard to say it is a well-balanced game when someone can just get two full activations with everything they have.

[Ace Debonair]

It sounded like they were hinting not so subtly at new Swooping Hawks with the distantly upcoming Eldar content; that alone is enough for me to get hyped over. I'm not sure I dare to dream they'll be as good as the Scourges, but so long as they don't try to stick to the current poses too rigidly they'll be insta-buy for me.  

 

Definitely the coolest-looking aspect as far as I'm concerned, although the new Striking Scorpions are giving them some competition. 

 

 

[INKS]

A reminder to stay on topic please. 

This board is dedicated to 40k, 30k, Kill Team, Etc. It is not dedicated to AOS, Warcry, Middle Earth and so on. Thank you.

Nothing wrong with mentioning it, but a full on discussion on which system is better and why, this is not the thread for that.

[calgar101]

Updated Aspect Warriors would be very neat too, I wonder if they'd give us some new shrines?

[jimbo1701]

I’m hoping (!) that the cadian and now Krieg release marks a new trend where each edition sees a new guard regiment get the works. Catachans next please. 

Edited September 1 by jimbo1701

[calgar101]

 

I’m hoping (!) that the cadian and now Krieg release marks a new trend where each edition sees a new guard regiment get the works. Catachans next please. 

 

That would be great, I think there's definitely scope/sales in some regiment specific kits. 

Elysian, Callan etc, ah one can dream. If not full kits ala Kill Team.. upgrades or something. The Krieg updates though is a positive.