Rumour Possibly new rumor info from valrak regarding eldar / SM / Krieg / CSM

[jimbo1701]

Hi all. After watching valraks rumor stream on Monday (he has an excellent track record with reliable rumor sources) just thought I would share a couple of bits I found interesting. We obviously know that GW have announced Krieg and eldar for next year (valrak has been saying this for some time) and he made a couple of comments further to these as well as marines. I paraphrase but will try to make it clear when expressing my opinions rather than his statements so they aren’t taken out of context / misinterpreted. 

 

ELDAR - states Eldar  fans should be ‘saving a lot of money for next year’. Somebody asked the question regarding if this meant dark eldar and the response ‘a certain faction of eldar’ was given. Whether this simply relates to the known craftworlds release, dark eldar or something else is unclear, but valrak was rather cagey in his response. 

 

CSM - states CSM fans should be ‘saving a lot of money for next year’. Not specific to any faction so it’s unclear if this refers to generic CSM only or if we are including cult marines in the equation. Though he does and has previously stated Emperors children confirmed for next year and he suspects they will be the big summer release. 

 

GUARD - we know Krieg are coming from the GW statement but valrak has all but confirmed death riders will be a part of this release but he couldn’t recall seeing any tanks. 

 

MARINES - valrak states it’s still not over for space marines - equal attention incoming. I presume he is referring to space wolves here. Not impossible that it could refer to grey knights (he has previously alluded to an upgrade for the dread knight and a GK kill team) or other codex marines chapters I guess. 

 

Hope this is useful. Certainly the scale of the eldar and Csm releases was news to me. Cheers. 

[Petitioner's City]

Exodites? 

[jimbo1701]

 

Exodites? 

Certainly ran though my mind and a summer boxed set emperors children vs exodites would be the hottest selling box in a long time I’m sure. But I didn’t want to add my speculation to the equation as the response from valrak could be interpreted many ways, down to simply a craftworld release. 

[jaxom]

Expedites won’t be getting anything until more of the craftworld range is updated.

[ZeroWolf]

I also think GW has gone away from the vs. Boxes for now, settling on the units and codex box.

 

I think by Chaos, he means the God specific ranges, which I suspect, emperors children aside, World Eaters may do very well from given they could be in a position to bolster their range from the initial offerings while Death Guard/Thousand Sons may get 1 or 2 things. Chaos Knights will be interesting to see if they just get a chaosified version of whatever normal knights get (said to be a new armiger class).

[The_Worker]

I'd lean more towards Ynnari than Exodites myself, honestly.

[jimbo1701]

As much as I’d like to see exodites/corsairs/harlequins all get love I would prefer drukhari and craftworlds get the finishing touches first with drukhari getting back to where they were with characters in 5th edition. At least we know some significant eldar love coming next year but I guess it’s just craftworlds until proven otherwise. 

[ThePenitentOne]

@The_Worker Because Yvraine has been known to work with Exodites, I had always assumed that Ynarri would be used to introduce the Exodites: they haven't been made yet, because up until now, the only thing they've ever wanted to do was defend the particular Maiden world upon which they were born. Then Yvraine shows up and says "Dudes, we can actually take Slaanesh out, but we can only do it if y'all grow a pair and get into the galactic theatre of war- we've got Croneswords to find bro." You know, I'm translating from the Aeldari language, but you get the drift.

 

 

[Ripper.McGuirl]

Whether we get exodites or ynnari revolves around GW deciding they want to move forward with any of the eldar armies. I would put more money on craftworlds and drukhari simply getting a few more things upgraded from finecast/million year old sculpts to plastic. If we’re reeeaallly lucky we could get something like the wasp or reaper go from FW to plastic but I wouldnt bet on it.

As much as I’d love something new, I’m not getting my hopes up. 

[jimbo1701]

 

Whether we get exodites or ynnari revolves around GW deciding they want to move forward with any of the eldar armies. I would put more money on craftworlds and drukhari simply getting a few more things upgraded from finecast/million year old sculpts to plastic. If we’re reeeaallly lucky we could get something like the wasp or reaper go from FW to plastic but I wouldnt bet on it.

As much as I’d love something new, I’m not getting my hopes up. 

maybe not this edition but we seem to be getting to a place where most of the ranges are so up to date that there’s not much wiggle room left without significant innovation or reinventing the wheel. I hope that 11th edition will see another guard regiment, further unique divergent marine chapter units, more chaos and eldar subfactions all visited. 

[Robbienw]

They should bring back the Court of the Archon for Drukhari in plastic format.

[StrangerOrders]

 

They should bring back the Court of the Archon for Drukhari in plastic format.

Feels like the kind of thing that is begging for a Killteam release tbh.

 

Its already a squad of specialists, you wouldn't even need the 'normal unit' option.

[The_Worker]

Yeah, I think a sweeping update to all the remaining Finecast aspects is pretty much guaranteed.

@ThePenitentOne - maybe; I think that the Exodites are probably just going to remain as a fun background thing that occasionally crops up in books - much as I would love to see dino-riding Eldar!

[TheMawr]

I havent watched the stream so lose a lot of context, but I think he just references his previous video from last weeks monday ( and others the past year ) on the subect matter and there where no new rumors, the the eldar in question are "just" :

Swooping Hawks trough kill team

Asurmen, Baharroth, Fuegan, Fire dragons, Warp Spiders and Warp Spiders phoenix lord ( I think one, maybe two rumor engines belong to this one, I would include them but I cant put spoiler tags anymore for big images.)

 

though I myself think ( one of ) the other big names for 40k mentioned in the roadmap, next to fulgrim, has a good probability of referencing Vect for Drukhari.

 

 

 

Expedites won’t be getting anything until more of the craftworld range is updated.

 

This has never ever stopped GW before, Thousand sons and Deathguard came to be before Abaddon and a majority of CSM where properly updated, Noise marines and Lucius are still waiting, Beast snaggas is another example, when people say this I think they mirror their internal desire ( not meant in an offensive way.) more than GWs modus operandi.

 

There are two very logical reasons to throw in "new" thing before or in between remakes, and GW does this all the time :

 

-- To keep things interesting, not just for the fans, but primarily for the designers.. for a creative to redo the same thing over and over again for 30 years is hell. Lady Atia at the time of AoS said that a lot of the changes where done because the art direction at GW where feeling that.

 

-- Market expansion, in eldar communities new players ( and returning old players ) are more often than not drawn by the Ynnari models and the corsairs. ( though the Avatar of Khaine also has a big sway, but its such an overhaul it might as well have been new.) meanwhile many of the regulars are of the "oh new plastic striking scorpions nice ! I already have 30, but good they are finally in plastic" type. Its these new players attracted by new things that actually buy alot of the rebooted old stuff. When howling banshees where released in plastic, the majority of the early buyers that painted and showed their models, where Ynnari players. ( could have been because of the box they where released in though.)

 

Besides, those waiting for Exodites since the beginning ( just the one dragonrider unit from 2nd edition eldar codex. ) have been waiting for longer than anyone else has been waiting for something. afaik its the only 2nd edition unit that didnt have an equivalent release in one form or another eventually.

 

I dont even need or want it to be an entire different army/codex, I like Aeldari as a collective codex, I just want that one unit at last XD
Corsairs ( another I had been waiting for since 2nd edition codex.) and Ranger jetbikes ( the last of the trinity of missing 2nd edition codex things.) in last release wave made me hopeful that at least the one exodite unit will be included sooner rather than later.

 

 

 

Certainly ran though my mind and a summer boxed set emperors children vs exodites would be the hottest selling box in a long time I’m sure. But I didn’t want to add my speculation to the equation as the response from valrak could be interpreted many ways, down to simply a craftworld release. 

 

 

I'd lean more towards Ynnari than Exodites myself, honestly.

When they initially came to be I theorized that they are "the same" thing. (not long) Before Gathering storm there was a mention about Exodites and Corsairs in 40k needing a proper "plot" to be active in the setting and participating in the wars, going on about how its not safe for exodites to even leave their world without protection. I remembered this when the Ynnari background ( both in setting and the conceptual background ) was released and I had an "ohh it all falls together" moment,  this feeling of potential faded over time until the Corsair killteam was released, with nods and evidence they where probably more tied to the Ynnari in the concepting stage than they would end up being in the game.

 

Since then I wondered if we would see more exotic Aeldari ( ynnari/corsairs/exodites ) that are designed by jes goodwin around the same time/project, but are held back for when its time to return Fulgrim and the Emperors children.

 

Im going to mimic a rumor from the rumor monger that actually provided picture evidence with rumors ( and accidentally of his identity ) on the eldar discord before the big eldar release. Early 2022 he said at least 3 new eldar releases that he knew of would come before the end of 2023, and they would not be aspect warrior related.

My personal theory however is its just a skipped over end of edition campaign character ( Prince Yriel maybe ? ), and the other 2 being the Kabalite and Mandrakes kill team. He was no real fan of eldar after all, so might consider drukhari as the same.

 

 

However lots of long words cut short.

Valrak probably references the craftworld release he has been talking for a while, but even when most of his rumors are correct one way or another, they arent always the complete release.. so who knows.

[sitnam]

 

maybe; I think that the Exodites are probably just going to remain as a fun background thing that occasionally crops up in books - much as I would love to see dino-riding Eldar!

 

I don't know, GW has been digging into the background factions lately. Kroot expansion, Arbites, etc.

[CL_Mission]

 

Chaos Knights will be interesting to see if they just get a chaosified version of whatever normal knights get (said to be a new armiger class).

I think it would be cool if Chaos knights got something different from their Imperial counterparts, perhaps the same size (armiger/war dog) but a very different load out. 

 

As for Eldar I'd be absolutely over the moon if we get a big Drukhari release but I don't remember seeing any real rumours for them recently so I'd imagine Mr.Valrak's comments here are still about the upcoming Craftworld release. Exodties would be a lovely surprise and some bits and bobs for Corsairs and Harlequins would be neat. 

[LSM]

Maybe we'll get a "Aeldari Agents" book with Harlequins, Corsairs, Exodites, and the Ynarri characters.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Saving money for next year is a tall order for those of us in the UK. 

 

Do we really need more Eldar factions? Isn't Aeldari & Drukhari enough? 

 

Hopefully the Krieg stuff is good. Maybe an upgrade sprue for vehicles with the release focused on infantry & characters as far as kits go.

Edited September 11 by Captain Idaho
Removed political reference

[ThePenitentOne]

 

 

Do we really need more Eldar factions? Isn't Aeldari & Drukhari enough? 

 

 

Were Blood Angels and Dark Angels enough for Marine players?

 

Until Eldar have four Craftworld codex supplements, an entire  game devoted to them and an Epic scale game, no.

 

And hint: if you ask the same of any non-marine faction, my answer will always be the same.

[Focslain]

Honestly Eldar, Guard, Chaos and Orks should have the same level of support that marines get as they all have the same amount of diversity built into their faction structures. 

Edited September 11 by Focslain

[Robbienw]

Marines don’t have an entire game devoted to them.

[Ming the Merciless]

 

Feels like the kind of thing that is begging for a Killteam release tbh.

 

Its already a squad of specialists, you wouldn't even need the 'normal unit' option.

 

I'd like to see Warhammer Quest : The Dark City (Commorragh), the perfect way to shoehorn in a new court, beastpack and characters.

[Focslain]

 

I think it would be cool if Chaos knights got something different from their Imperial counterparts, perhaps the same size (armiger/war dog) but a very different load out. 

Chaos Knights already have 3 more wardog variants over their Imperial counterparts. What they could use is another type of medium knight as the Despoiler is effectively 4 knight chassis rolled into one. If anything Imperial need another armigar class as we only have 2 (3 if you include FW)

 

   

[CL_Mission]

 

Chaos Knights already have 3 more wardog variants over their Imperial counterparts. What they could use is another type of medium knight as the Despoiler is effectively 4 knight chassis rolled into one. If anything Imperial need another armigar class as we only have 2 (3 if you include FW)

 

   

Ah, I didn't realise Chaos Knights still use the Helverins and Armigers kits as well as their own. In that case, yeah, they could do with new something on a larger frame. I wonder if a proper chaosy Tyrant kit could be on the table.

[SvenIronhand]

 

Saving money for next year is a tall order for those of us in the UK. 

 

Do we really need more Eldar factions? Isn't Aeldari & Drukhari enough? 

 

Hopefully the Krieg stuff is good. Maybe an upgrade sprue for vehicles with the release focused on infantry & characters as far as kits go.

Corsairs at least deserve some representation, in my opinion.