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[Special Officer Doofy]

 

There's always the risk the land raider goes away and gets replaced with the helmouth manspurter and some weird tracked orifice etc.

 

Hahaha I googled helmouth manspurter thinking it was a thing in the setting I didn't know about. Anyways, that's a risk with every kit they redo, making something worse. Example, Coteaz.

 

I mean look at the plagueburst crawler. It looks awesome, and I would have never guessed it was a daemon engine at first glance. There is a possibility for greatness. Like I said, I don't want a radical design change, just an update that's not a 20+ year old loyalist kit with a spike sprue in the box.

Edited September 18 by Special Officer Doofy

[TheMawr]

 

That are still being sold:

 

Dark Eldar (although these are all missing from the site currently):

Urien Rakarth

Grotesques

Court of the Archon

Beastmaster+4 different beasts

 

Necrons:

Trayzn

Nightbringer

Deceiver

 

Tau:

Farsight drones

 

Orks:

Tank Bustas

Weirdboyz

 

Deamons:

Skull master

All of the Exalteds went LCTB back in June and aren't on the site

 

CSM:

Noisemarine upgrades

Huron has been off the site for about a year

 

SM:

Ultra's Honour Guard?

Rune Priest

Arjac

Njal

Cyberwolf

Sammael

Canis

Draigo

He'Stan

Kantor

 

I'm sure there's outliers that I've missed but the bulk of 40k Finecast is in Xenos currently

 

The attached image is it basically (you where only missing some), there are some others hanging on the webstore but they dont have rules anymore.
Its also bottom ( unreleased codices ) heavy and I think by the end of this edition/early next one everything will be gone trough by purging, spiritual replacement or direct updating, the end of edition campaigns usually covering some named characters all over the place... so some of those leftover from released codices will pop up there. ( As I think karandras does too, I doubt he is really forgotten.)

 

 

 

 

 

[sarabando]

most of my discord would die happy to get a new plastic Vect mini. 

[Evil Eye]

 

 

I'm not talking a radical design change, but I want more than a 20+ year old box with spikes. And absolutely not an upgrade sprue! That's what it already is, shares two sprues. New chaos only rhino, predator and land raider would service all 4 cult legions and the main chaos codex. Come with cool damaged panels and chaos grimy stuff, maybe a panel for each god similar to how the daemon prince kit got a head for each one.

But then they'd have to make a new Loyalist Rhino, Land Raider and Predator separately, which seems kinda wasteful (unless the kit was designed to share parts but have unique sprues depending on allegiance).

[ZeroWolf]

 

But then they'd have to make a new Loyalist Rhino, Land Raider and Predator separately, which seems kinda wasteful (unless the kit was designed to share parts but have unique sprues depending on allegiance).

Yeah, that doesn't sound like something the GW we know would do (make separate land raiders etc) when they could release one with an upgrade sprue and call it a day. Best case scenario, they release multiple upgrade sprues for all vehicles but that's a long shot.

[Tyriks]

They could easily give Chaos their own vehicles and leave loyalists as they are, akin to the Sisters vehicles

 

Edit: but I think if they did, more likely the loyalist version would just move to legends.

Edited September 18 by Tyriks

[ThaneOfTas]

Apologies @Special Officer Doofy My disagreement was with this specific bit.

 

loyalist Primaris replacements.

 

The Rhino does not have a replacement yet, the Impulsor is a Razorback replacement if its anything. The Repulsor could MAYBE qualify as a LR replacement if you changed its rules significantly (and surgically removed your sense of aesthetic taste but i admit that's very subjective). I'll concede that the Gladiator is basically a straight replacement for the Predator but that's the only one.

 

And all of that is irrelevant because the Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence and Custodes all also make use of the Rhino and LR kits, so if we are getting re-sculpts for them, (Which I'd love to see personally) they should be generic enough to be used across the ranges that need them, and if they're generic enough to be used by other Imperial factions then why wouldn't Loyalist Marines keep access to them?

[Indy Techwisp]

 

Apologies @Special Officer Doofy My disagreement was with this specific bit.

 

The Rhino does not have a replacement yet, the Impulsor is a Razorback replacement if its anything. The Repulsor could MAYBE qualify as a LR replacement if you changed its rules significantly (and surgically removed your sense of aesthetic taste but i admit that's very subjective). I'll concede that the Gladiator is basically a straight replacement for the Predator but that's the only one.

 

And all of that is irrelevant because the Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence and Custodes all also make use of the Rhino and LR kits, so if we are getting re-sculpts for them, (Which I'd love to see personally) they should be generic enough to be used across the ranges that need them, and if they're generic enough to be used by other Imperial factions then why wouldn't Loyalist Marines keep access to them?

 

Sisters already have a Rhino variant and will probably get a personalised Land Raider variant whenever they decide to give Sisters a proper Terminator unit.

Inquisitorial Agents, Talons and Grey Knights do all use the current Rhino and Land Raider tho.

 

It's my opinion that GW will probably just make new, upscaled Rhino and Land Raider kits which all the above will use (bar Sisters) and then let Primaris Marines get in them.

 

But then again, all the Chaos Factions also use the Land Raider and Rhino Kits (and the Predator/Vindicator variant kits too), so whenever they get around to upscaling the Loyalist stuff I think we can expect GW to finally make a dedicated Chaos version of all of them.

[ThaneOfTas]

 

Sisters already have a Rhino variant

Doesn't that still use some of the same sprues as the generic kit?

 

EDIT: Just checked the Webstore, it does

 

Sisters Rhino:

 

Generic Rhino:

 

Same kit at its core but with one hell of an Upgrade Sprue.

 

@Special Officer Doofy Would an upgrade kit of this scale be more to your liking?

Edited September 18 by ThaneOfTas

[Special Officer Doofy]

 

Apologies @Special Officer Doofy My disagreement was with this specific bit.

 

The Rhino does not have a replacement yet, the Impulsor is a Razorback replacement if its anything. The Repulsor could MAYBE qualify as a LR replacement if you changed its rules significantly (and surgically removed your sense of aesthetic taste but i admit that's very subjective). I'll concede that the Gladiator is basically a straight replacement for the Predator but that's the only one.

 

And all of that is irrelevant because the Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence and Custodes all also make use of the Rhino and LR kits, so if we are getting re-sculpts for them, (Which I'd love to see personally) they should be generic enough to be used across the ranges that need them, and if they're generic enough to be used by other Imperial factions then why wouldn't Loyalist Marines keep access to them?

 

Right, but that has nothing to do with chaos. In 2020 sisters of battle got a new rhino. So they can make loyalist a new rhino if they want but chaos has to use a 20+ year old one? The rhino's that sisters of battle use in the setting would be closer to loyalist space marine one than a chaos one but they get their own kit and chaos has to share theirs with one that is probably never going to be updated?

 

I was avoiding saying that most first born kits are disappearing with the Primaris "replacements", for better or for worse. I try to avoid bringing that up because it divolves into Primaris vs firstborn everytime. I don't like it, but it's the very obvious trend. But the fact of the matter is I don't think they are going to remake rhino's, predators or land raiders for loyalist space marines, and chaos space marines should not suffer for it. They could make a unique land raider for Grey knights and custodes if they wanted to, they already did it with the rhino for sisters of battle.

 

I think some people that are disagreeing with me think I don't want loyalist marines to have a new rhino. That's not true. It's GW that doesn't want loyalist marines to have a new rhino. I'm just observing the "great replacement" that is Primaris marines and realizing it's creating an issue for chaos space marines because they share old vehicle kits with loyalist marines that are not being updated.

 

Edit: @ThaneOfTas yeah that would be better. I'll agree with @Evil Eye that out of the 3 vehicles I mentioned the rhino kit has aged the best, but the two upgrade sprues in the Chaos box are terrible. The issue I have is a sister's of battle rhino is going to be so much closer to a loyalist marine rhino versus a chaos rhino. A chaos rhino is probably going to be 1,000-10,000 years old and beat up with makeshift parts. It will be hard to represent that with a few sprues but maybe they could.

Edited September 18 by Special Officer Doofy

[ThaneOfTas]

 

It will be hard to represent that with a few sprues but maybe they could.

I mean, considering that most people apparently thought that the Sisters Rhino was a whole new kit rather than an Upgrade sprue indicates to me that when GW set their mind to it they can manage it.

 

A chaos version of this Sprue would go a long way i think, even more so if they packaged it with the Deimos instead to give the older vibe.

 

[Special Officer Doofy]

 

But then they'd have to make a new Loyalist Rhino, Land Raider and Predator separately, which seems kinda wasteful (unless the kit was designed to share parts but have unique sprues depending on allegiance).

 

That's riding on the assumption that loyalist marines will continue to have access to those vehicles down the road. Not a fan, but GW seems to be pushing the Primaris replacements. It's been 7 years since Primaris came out, not a single new treaded vehicle for them.

 

Let me put it this way. IF they redo those three kits for loyalist, I would be fine the Chaos version being similar with upgrade sprues, assuming those sprues are significantly better than the old ones (which is pretty much just spikes). But if they don't intend to update them for loyalist, which seems to be the trend, then chaos should ge their own updated kit.

[crimsondave]

I really like the current rhino/predator kits but I’d like to see new ones just so they don’t get squatted.  The LR kits look even better but if you’ve assembled one you have sworn to Khorne to deliver the designers skull at least once.  Def need a better LR kit.

[DemonGSides]

 

 

That's riding on the assumption that loyalist marines will continue to have access to those vehicles down the road. Not a fan, but GW seems to be pushing the Primaris replacements. It's been 7 years since Primaris came out, not a single new treaded vehicle for them.

 

Let me put it this way. IF they redo those three kits for loyalist, I would be fine the Chaos version being similar with upgrade sprues, assuming those sprues are significantly better than the old ones (which is pretty much just spikes). But if they don't intend to update them for loyalist, which seems to be the trend, then chaos should ge their own updated kit.

 

Well, there's a literal metric :cuss:-ton of rhino's in the new SM2 game, so I don't know if they're going to be abandoned so quickly, or maybe they were going to be replaced but GW realized that they can't eliminate ALL Of their iconic stuff.  Either way, I think the LR and the Rhino are here to stay, it'd be great if they would update the Rhino to let it carry anyone, like the LR can.

[Orion]

 

 

Well, there's a literal metric :cuss:-ton of rhino's in the new SM2 game, so I don't know if they're going to be abandoned so quickly, or maybe they were going to be replaced but GW realized that they can't eliminate ALL Of their iconic stuff.  Either way, I think the LR and the Rhino are here to stay, it'd be great if they would update the Rhino to let it carry anyone, like the LR can.

People have really got to stop referencing Space Marine 2's props as if they have a bearing on the future of the table top game.

 

Side note, the current SM rhino kit actually isn't bad. I built two recently.
Haven't built a Land Raider in like 20 years so can't speak to that.

[Redcomet]

 

most of my discord would die happy to get a new plastic Vect mini. 

Vect on a plastic Tantalus. Plenty of room for an obnoxious throne and an interesting court

[Robbienw]

There is no way they will remove the Land Raider or Rhino from Space Marines in 40K.  The Land Riader in particular, goes hand in hand with Terminators!

[DemonGSides]

 

People have really got to stop referencing Space Marine 2's props as if they have a bearing on the future of the table top game.

 

Side note, the current SM rhino kit actually isn't bad. I built two recently.
Haven't built a Land Raider in like 20 years so can't speak to that.

 

Why?  Saber has come out and mentioned multiple times that GW had a very strong control over what could and couldn't be included in the game.

 

Seems to me to be quite a strong indication that GW still likes the rhino. 

Edited September 19 by DemonGSides

[ZeroWolf]

 

 

Why?  Saber has come out and mentioned multiple times that GW had a very strong control over what could and couldn't be included in the game.

 

Seems to me to be quite a strong indication that GW still likes the rhino. 

Especially since GW have kept the life sized rhino outside Warhammer World

[TrawlingCleaner]

And the trailer had the jump Intercessors before we'd even seen them or they'd been announced...

Really we probably should pay a little more attention

[Orion]

 

And the trailer had the jump Intercessors before we'd even seen them or they'd been announced...

Really we probably should pay a little more attention

Old Cadian designs, and old units are all over the game. 

 

The Jump pack was the exception, not the rule.

[Robbienw]

Not sure how you got from Cadians looking more like their previous iteration than most current (which both look similar) in Space Marine 2 = GW is going to remove the Rhino from 40k? 

[Redcomet]

 

There is no way they will remove the Land Raider or Rhino from Space Marines in 40K.  The Land Riader in particular, goes hand in hand with Terminators!

If anything we will get a new mk of both, from Cawls vault of stuff.

[Orion]

 

Not sure how you got from Cadians looking more like their previous iteration than most current (which both look similar) in Space Marine 2 = GW is going to remove the Rhino from 40k? 

 

That's the point. It has no bearing either way.

I work in game dev. If an asset gets made, world builders will just chuck it anywhere it fits.

 

I'm sure GW vets things, but I'm also pretty sure they're not doing it with some master plan. 

The quantity of rhinos in SM2 is not indicative of anything, other than it's a product GW currently sell.

[DemonGSides]

 

 

That's the point. It has no bearing either way.

I work in game dev. If an asset gets made, world builders will just chuck it anywhere it fits.

 

I'm sure GW vets things, but I'm also pretty sure they're not doing it with some master plan. 

The quantity of rhinos in SM2 is not indicative of anything, other than it's a product GW currently sell.

 

 Just as easy for GW to say "No rhino's, since these are all primaris and they don't fit in them." and make the model an impulsor.

That they didn't, I think, says something.  Especially with the remarks from Saber saying that GW told them what they could and couldn't do.  You're acting like we're talking about some conspiracy, when we're just saying "They're still including the rhino even in modern implementations featuring solely primaris, so maybe there is a plan to either update or bring forward the rhino."

Edited September 19 by DemonGSides