New expansion: The Rise of the Dark Mechanicum

[Matrindur]

14 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

This is pretty much a guarantee Secutarii will be coming which begs the question, what else would they put on that sprue? The other options are all covered in the other Mechanicum boxes. It will be an interesting preview of what’s coming down the pipe. 
 

In the meantime it’ll be a blast to recreate the old Legio Gryphonicus Lore of their inducted Cybernetica and the Secutarii they were known for fighting with. 

I suppose they could throw them on a sprue with plastic armigers as a Knight and Titan support box?

Edited October 16 by Matrindur

[Interrogator Stobz]

Unlikely, but a cool idea. We need more Armigers.

[Marshal Rohr]

I had thought Armigers as well since there isn’t going to be a sprue to introduce them on anytime soon unless they come with Skitarii or Secutarii. If they are leviathan sized one sprue would net you more armigers than you would ever need. Seems unlikely unless there is something like the Support Boxes coming with new units we’ve never seen before. 
 

Edit: thinking about it, a lot of the issues with titans getting swarmed could be fixed with a robust and expanded Secutarii box

Edited October 16 by Marshal Rohr

[Indy Techwisp]

I'd assume Secutarii would be usable in a non-titan/Knight based Mechanicum army tho, right?

 

You could have both Secutarii Peltasts, Secutarii Hoplites plus some kind of Secutarii "Command" base like SA have, but then you still don't quite have enough stuff.

I guess you could just have Skitarii as an option too, but "normal" Skitarii aren't usable in 30k.

You could make up an additional "auxiliary/support" base by giving Secutarii access to the big Arquebus the 40k Skitarii have, and possibly dive into the old lore and recanonise the old "Big Skitarii" design from before AdMech got a range as a new 30k specific type of Skitarii.

[Marshal Rohr]

There were Skitarii units like the Sagittarii, Cataphracts, Hyspasists, and Praetorians in older lore that GW main hasn’t touched. Maybe we will get some of those. 

[Matrindur]

4 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I'd assume Secutarii would be usable in a non-titan/Knight based Mechanicum army tho, right?

 

You could have both Secutarii Peltasts, Secutarii Hoplites plus some kind of Secutarii "Command" base like SA have, but then you still don't quite have enough stuff.

I guess you could just have Skitarii as an option too, but "normal" Skitarii aren't usable in 30k.

You could make up an additional "auxiliary/support" base by giving Secutarii access to the big Arquebus the 40k Skitarii have, and possibly dive into the old lore and recanonise the old "Big Skitarii" design from before AdMech got a range as a new 30k specific type of Skitarii.

Unless I missed something the two Secutarii variants and their HQ are only part of the Titan Legions in 28mm HH, not the main Mechanicum list.

For these units the Liber says: 

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These units may not be selected as part of any other Force Organisation chart or Detachment besides a Lords of War Detachment in a Crusade Force Organisation chart or Titan Maniple Detachment.

And since a normal Lords of War Detachment can't take troops which the Secutarii are they can only be taken in a Titan Maniple Detachment.

You can use the Titan Maniple Detachment without an actual Titan as it only requires a Lords of War or a Troops choice so there is at least a way to get Secutarii in your Mechanicum.

But to me that just seems like a way to not invalidate existing collections and Secutarii are intended to be the exclusive Titan guard.

 

And since LI wouldn't have the problem of existing collections I wouldn't be surprised if Secutarii are locked into Titan detachments. Maybe still usable with Mechanicum via Titan allies and just not taking a Titan if they change up that system but just as likely an exclusive Troops choice for Titan only armies

 

Edited October 18 by Matrindur

[Mendi Warrior]

Secutarii would be perfect with an Imperator. Just saying ... 

 

[Mendi Warrior]

Not sure this was posted here yet: Dark Mechanicum Lore – Who are the renegade tech-magi making the terrifying Stalkers? 

 

Not labeled as Heresy Thursday but it was posted yesterday.

[DuskRaider]

3 hours ago, Mendi Warrior said:

Not sure this was posted here yet: Dark Mechanicum Lore – Who are the renegade tech-magi making the terrifying Stalkers? 

 

Not labeled as Heresy Thursday but it was posted yesterday.

I was really hoping that this would be similar to the Solar Auxilia article and give us color schemes for the various Dark Mechanicum Forge Worlds. Fluff is cool and all, but I’d like to see more from that side of the hobby as well.
 

I can’t tell you how annoyed I’d be if I come up

with my own paint scheme just for GW to roll out something completely different. 

[Crablezworth]

7 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

I can’t tell you how annoyed I’d be if I come up

with my own paint scheme just for GW to roll out something completely different. 

 

Happened to me when I painted my titanicus battlegroup, I went with legion venator only for them to get a scheme/rules months later. My scheme was green and not the grey/monochrome official scheme. 

[DuskRaider]

52 minutes ago, Crablezworth said:

 

Happened to me when I painted my titanicus battlegroup, I went with legion venator only for them to get a scheme/rules months later. My scheme was green and not the grey/monochrome official scheme. 

They did it to me via fluff. House Makabius was never really tied to one Titan Legio until GW decided to have them somehow an ally to Legio Interfector, even though what little artwork or photos they had prior showed them alongside Legio Mortis. 

[Crablezworth]

Ugh, ok so it seems like they messed up. Someone clearly was smart enough to realize they had to limit what mechanicum models dark mechanicum had available to them to make up for their unique new units, good, a sign someone cares. Problem, it would seem they didn't keyword taghmata to loyalist, so immediately one can just do allie shenanigans to take those missing units anyway. Lame :cuss:. 

 

That and the madmen really did seemingly make all titan and knight armies legal. With apparently no change to points cost, weapons or anything. So ya... 5 activations vs like 20. This game is bad lol. 

 

I'm really excited for the models but man, really disappointed that dark mech is remind me of when traitors got corruptions and mutations in AT and the tournaments became like 90% traitor. Seems like thats what will happen with everyone just playing dark mech and allying in whatever they're missing from taghmata. 

 

Tech thralls  have a -1 caf, cool and are seemingly immune to morale as their stat is just an - 

 

Their guns are awful on account of 6 inch range for the las locks and light obv. 

 

 

 

[vadersson]

Man I need to find some of these great sources so I can update my spreadsheet of all the unit profiles.  I guess I’ll wait till the digital book unlocks.

[DuskRaider]

Disappointed to hear they completely screwed the pooch with Knights and Titans, but considering they can’t write decent rules, proof read or even play test anything I can’t say I’m surprised. 

[lansalt]

23 hours ago, Mendi Warrior said:

Not sure this was posted here yet: Dark Mechanicum Lore – Who are the renegade tech-magi making the terrifying Stalkers?

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The scales tipped when Magister-Lictanex Regulus, the Mechanicum envoy to the Warmaster, slipped inside the Martian cordon with a delegation of Horus-loyal Iron Hands. His mission was to meet with the Fabricator-General, Kelbor-Hal, and secure Mars’ allegiance to Horus before the rebellion began in earnest, promising a treasure beyond compare – the keys to a trove of forbidden knowledge known as the Vaults of Moravec, sealed by the Emperor’s own hand.

This is a weird addition to the Heresy. Traitor IH before Issvan 5 and Ferrus death? I find annoying how the HH2/LI writers keep making up stuff like this, which goes not only against how characters and factions are shown in BL stories, but also the previous FW black books.

 

 

[Indy Techwisp]

10 hours ago, Crablezworth said:

Ugh, ok so it seems like they messed up. Someone clearly was smart enough to realize they had to limit what mechanicum models dark mechanicum had available to them to make up for their unique new units, good, a sign someone cares. Problem, it would seem they didn't keyword taghmata to loyalist, so immediately one can just do allie shenanigans to take those missing units anyway. Lame :cuss:. 

As someone who's been thinking about finally biting the bullet and putting together the Canon Traitor Triple of Thousand Sons, Prospero Spireguard and Zhao-Arkhad, I've been looking at the Dark Mech stuff and thinking "I really hope I'm not forced to use those if I want Traitor Mechanicum." so if Taghmata isn't Loyalist locked that's a good thing.

 

I can't the the only person who likes the idea of Traitor Mechanicum but doesn't want to field an army of War of the Worlds tripods.

[Crablezworth]

4 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

As someone who's been thinking about finally biting the bullet and putting together the Canon Traitor Triple of Thousand Sons, Prospero Spireguard and Zhao-Arkhad, I've been looking at the Dark Mech stuff and thinking "I really hope I'm not forced to use those if I want Traitor Mechanicum." so if Taghmata isn't Loyalist locked that's a good thing.

 

I can't the the only person who likes the idea of Traitor Mechanicum but doesn't want to field an army of War of the Worlds tripods.

 

It feels like 2/3 of an army disguised as 2 army lists tbh. 

[DuskRaider]

11 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

As someone who's been thinking about finally biting the bullet and putting together the Canon Traitor Triple of Thousand Sons, Prospero Spireguard and Zhao-Arkhad, I've been looking at the Dark Mech stuff and thinking "I really hope I'm not forced to use those if I want Traitor Mechanicum." so if Taghmata isn't Loyalist locked that's a good thing.

 

I can't the the only person who likes the idea of Traitor Mechanicum but doesn't want to field an army of War of the Worlds tripods.

It’s annoying that if I want to field my automata and the new constructs, I’ve essentially handicapped myself with other options. I do understand that they need to differentiate the two, but having blatant holes in the FoC for both sides of the faction practically forces you to take an allied contingent and just attempting to use the models you have makes that impossible. 
 

I’ll probably try both eventually, but not together unless we house rule it to unlock more allied slots. Having no air support option (as I’ve been griping about all day) is a huge disadvantage. 

[Crablezworth]

15 hours ago, DuskRaider said:

It’s annoying that if I want to field my automata and the new constructs, I’ve essentially handicapped myself with other options. I do understand that they need to differentiate the two, but having blatant holes in the FoC for both sides of the faction practically forces you to take an allied contingent and just attempting to use the models you have makes that impossible. 
 

I’ll probably try both eventually, but not together unless we house rule it to unlock more allied slots. Having no air support option (as I’ve been griping about all day) is a huge disadvantage. 

 

It all just lays bare how much worse the formation system is over a good old foc. It's a shame they did make the vulturax a flyer as they really should have some. 

 

The stalkers not being knights and scale 2-3 means they won't benefit from natural cover the way knights and titans do with the -1/2 for 25-50% cover. 

 

The majority of them being scale 2 also means they'll be locked down by rhino or arvus charges, le sigh. 

 

 

 

This one is a real head scratcher, are they just like riding on top? 

 

Edited October 20 by Crablezworth

[BolterZorro]

Someone told me that some units of the mechanicum box are not usable in a dark mecha army.

 

Is there a kind soul outhere to show me/us what are the units in the mecha army box usable in a dark mecha army (use the army box picture please).

Many thx in advance.

[Crablezworth]

44 minutes ago, BolterZorro said:

Someone told me that some units of the mechanicum box are not usable in a dark mecha army.

 

Is there a kind soul outhere to show me/us what are the units in the mecha army box usable in a dark mecha army (use the army box picture please).

Many thx in advance.

 

It doesn't really matter because taghmata can still be taken as an allie to dark mechanicum, so you can just take any missing units that way. 

[vadersson]

I must be one of the few Mechanicum loyalists.  While I think the rules for the Dark Mechanicum are very interesting, I don’t plan to get any for now.  I am really looking forward to using the automata and the cool rules they have.

[BolterZorro]

12 hours ago, Crablezworth said:

It doesn't really matter because taghmata can still be taken as an allie to dark mechanicum, so you can just take any missing units that way. 

It matters for ...painting! So, I don't want to paint the allies with the dark mecha paint scheme. And the extra unit that are mecha only will be painted with the mecha paint scheme.

That takes me back to the initial question: Is there a kind soul outhere to show me/us what are the units in the mecha army box usable in a dark mecha army (use the army box picture please)

[Indy Techwisp]

3 hours ago, BolterZorro said:

It matters for ...painting! So, I don't want to paint the allies with the dark mecha paint scheme. And the extra unit that are mecha only will be painted with the mecha paint scheme.

That takes me back to the initial question: Is there a kind soul outhere to show me/us what are the units in the mecha army box usable in a dark mecha army (use the army box picture please)

 

I think this is accurate:

[DuskRaider]

25 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I think this is accurate:

Yeah, that’s uhh… that’s about it. Technically, Dark Mechanicum aren’t even a playable faction at this point.