EC Rumours

[Indy Techwisp]

43 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

This doesn't really work with the Red Gobbo's thing running for five weeks but the EC getting at least six kits, should Valrak be correct. Unless they're just hinting at some of the releases but not all, at which point I'd just say the simplest answer is the correct one, that being that they're just teasing EC in general.

Unless it's 5 kits and one is a dual kit that builds 2 different things, thus being mistaken as 6 kits.

[DeadFingers]

10 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Unless it's 5 kits and one is a dual kit that builds 2 different things, thus being mistaken as 6 kits.

I don't think that can be correct. Fulgrim is of course out of the question for a dual kit, Legionaries are supposedly a 10 model unit, Noise Marines are a 6 model unit, and the unnamed elite unit is I think a 3 model unit? I don't know if that's been rumoured, but it does strike me as a 3 model unit in the vein of the Eightbound. I guess them and Noise Marines could be one kit if the duellists are also 6 models, but from the (admittedly not very extensive) description we've been given I think they might be too distinct visually.

 

Then there's the generic HQ and Lucius, which I doubt share a kit because Lucius' armour is too unique. A dual kit would have to include so many extra bits for Lucius' armour you could pretty much just build two models anyway.

 

If anything I think the opposite may be true, that the rumours describe six kits but at least one of them builds a second variant we haven't heard about yet, like Eightbound and Exalted Eightbound, or the Juggerlord and Invocatus.

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, DeadFingers said:

I don't think that can be correct. Fulgrim is of course out of the question for a dual kit, Legionaries are supposedly a 10 model unit, Noise Marines are a 6 model unit, and the unnamed elite unit is I think a 3 model unit? I don't know if that's been rumoured, but it does strike me as a 3 model unit in the vein of the Eightbound. I guess them and Noise Marines could be one kit if the duellists are also 6 models, but from the (admittedly not very extensive) description we've been given I think they might be too distinct visually.

 

Then there's the generic HQ and Lucius, which I doubt share a kit because Lucius' armour is too unique. A dual kit would have to include so many extra bits for Lucius' armour you could pretty much just build two models anyway.

 

If anything I think the opposite may be true, that the rumours describe six kits but at least one of them builds a second variant we haven't heard about yet, like Eightbound and Exalted Eightbound, or the Juggerlord and Invocatus.

 

My assumption was that Lucias' kit would also build the Generic HQ, but I can see how that wouldn't work now.

[DeadFingers]

11 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

My assumption was that Lucias' kit would also build the Generic HQ, but I can see how that wouldn't work now.

I mean, I could be wrong too. I often am, and sometimes spectacularly. I just... would rather have the release be more than 5 kits and 3 new datasheets, y'know? So I'm gonna hold on to that hope, even if that hope is just 6 kits instead of 5, and 4 new datasheets instead of 3.

Edited December 6 by DeadFingers

[Xanthous]

Just now, DeadFingers said:

I mean, I could be wrong too. I often am, and sometimes spectacularly. I just... would rather have the release be more than 5 kits and 4 new datasheets, y'know? So I'm gonna hold on to that hope, even if that hope is just one extra kit and maybe one extra datasheet.

Unfortunately, that amount of new stuff is about what the World Eaters got, and it's what the rumours have indicated. I suppose it all depends on whether you're a glass half-full or half-empty kind of person.

 

If nothing else, I'd hope for a creative reuse of CSM kits to bolster the codex's ranks a little. Do something interesting with cultists or warp talons or venomcrawlers.

[DeadFingers]

3 minutes ago, Xanthous said:

Unfortunately, that amount of new stuff is about what the World Eaters got, and it's what the rumours have indicated. I suppose it all depends on whether you're a glass half-full or half-empty kind of person.

 

If nothing else, I'd hope for a creative reuse of CSM kits to bolster the codex's ranks a little. Do something interesting with cultists or warp talons or venomcrawlers.

But that's the thing, Two of the World Eaters kits build two things, even if those things are inevitably similar (Juggerlord/Invocatus and Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound). So even if their release was just five kits, there was a bit of extra meat to them. Emperor's Children have to be six kits because of Lucius, but I still would also like them to have a little something extra in terms of what those kits do. Although I'll also very happily take variety in terms of weaponry, heads, pauldrons, etc. instead of an alternate build.

[01RTB01]

32 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

My assumption was that Lucias' kit would also build the Generic HQ, but I can see how that wouldn't work now.

They've been Valrak'd as two separate kits.

[Marshal Loss]

Have we heard any more on the 'elite' 3 model unit yet other than it uses sword(s)? Really hoping it's the (initially rumoured) Cataphractii unit. Big hulking terminators would be so sick.

[Macidious]

4 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

Have we heard any more on the 'elite' 3 model unit yet other than it uses sword(s)? Really hoping it's the (initially rumoured) Cataphractii unit. Big hulking terminators would be so sick.

I am hoping that they’re possessed up phoenix guard , and maybe they’re like death guards deathshroud terminators where they’re in 3/6 man squads so could be the link and then where they get blightlords we get generic black legion terminators , I’d be fine with that 

[Kharn13]

9 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

Have we heard any more on the 'elite' 3 model unit yet other than it uses sword(s)? Really hoping it's the (initially rumoured) Cataphractii unit. Big hulking terminators would be so sick.

My guess would be the 3/6 model bodyguard unit will be a dual kit. Dualists/noise marines.

[Macidious]

32 minutes ago, Kharn13 said:

My guess would be the 3/6 model bodyguard unit will be a dual kit. Dualists/noise marines.

I’d be so annoyed if that was the case , like I love the what is coming but it isn’t even as much as world eater and would be utter laziness if they made 1 of the 2 infantry kits into a dual kit it would be so lazy , I hope they stay away from dual kits and just make new and original things 

Edited December 7 by Jolemai

[Dark Shepherd]

12 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

I don't think that can be correct. Fulgrim is of course out of the question for a dual kit, Legionaries are supposedly a 10 model unit, Noise Marines are a 6 model unit, and the unnamed elite unit is I think a 3 model unit? I don't know if that's been rumoured, but it does strike me as a 3 model unit in the vein of the Eightbound. I guess them and Noise Marines could be one kit if the duellists are also 6 models, but from the (admittedly not very extensive) description we've been given I think they might be too distinct visually.

 

Then there's the generic HQ and Lucius, which I doubt share a kit because Lucius' armour is too unique. A dual kit would have to include so many extra bits for Lucius' armour you could pretty much just build two models anyway.

 

If anything I think the opposite may be true, that the rumours describe six kits but at least one of them builds a second variant we haven't heard about yet, like Eightbound and Exalted Eightbound, or the Juggerlord and Invocatus.

Has there been any mention of a cultist unit dor them? Mighnt be in the codex box but youd expect it on launch

[DeadFingers]

Went back and rewatched Valrak's initial video on the EC rumours and he does indeed say the elite swordsmen unit is 3 models. So no dual kit with Noise Marines if that's the case.

 

Edit: @Dark Shepherd There was a mention of a Cultist type unit along with Cataphractii waaaaaaaaaay early in the rumour mill, but those rumours appear to have been overriden by the latest batch that says Legionaries, Noise Marines and Duellists. Cultists might be in the Codex as an available unit, but when it comes to bespoke kits it doesn't seem to be the case.

Edited December 7 by DeadFingers

[Macidious]

33 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

Went back and rewatched Valrak's initial video on the EC rumours and he does indeed say the elite swordsmen unit is 3 models. So no dual kit with Noise Marines if that's the case.

 

Edit: @Dark Shepherd There was a mention of a Cultist type unit along with Cataphractii waaaaaaaaaay early in the rumour mill, but those rumours appear to have been overriden by the latest batch that says Legionaries, Noise Marines and Duellists. Cultists might be in the Codex as an available unit, but when it comes to bespoke kits it doesn't seem to be the case.

Yeah that does sound right , I think we’ve all rumoured ourselves into a corner and I don’t think there’s much to talk about anymore, all we need now is an actual reveal or leak so we can put it all in motion, we have been teased about this for a whole year so it’s gone on long enough lol, I just want to see what the models will look like as a whole and on the table so I can plan out what schemes I would like to do etc

[Dark Shepherd]

3 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

Went back and rewatched Valrak's initial video on the EC rumours and he does indeed say the elite swordsmen unit is 3 models. So no dual kit with Noise Marines if that's the case.

 

Edit: @Dark Shepherd There was a mention of a Cultist type unit along with Cataphractii waaaaaaaaaay early in the rumour mill, but those rumours appear to have been overriden by the latest batch that says Legionaries, Noise Marines and Duellists. Cultists might be in the Codex as an available unit, but when it comes to bespoke kits it doesn't seem to be the case.

It seems an odd ommision to me; CSM and WE  combat patrols both have 10 cultists, the older combat patrols for DG and TS have 20 chaff monkeys

[01RTB01]

28 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

It seems an odd ommision to me; CSM and WE  combat patrols both have 10 cultists, the older combat patrols for DG and TS have 20 chaff monkeys

I'd far rather noise marines and EC marines than lose either to chaff. Something they could always add later but unlike the other cult legions, there's always been distinction between noise marines and "normal" EC marines. Also means more stuff for kit bashing and so on. If they're limited to how many kits for a release, we definitely get the better deal this way.

[DeadFingers]

1 hour ago, Dark Shepherd said:

It seems an odd ommision to me; CSM and WE  combat patrols both have 10 cultists, the older combat patrols for DG and TS have 20 chaff monkeys

I repeat myself here I think from earlier in this thread (or was it a different one? I kinda lost track), but I do think it makes sense for the lowest rung in the Legion of perfectionist maniacs to be higher than anyone else. As much as I'd love to see something like the Fleshlings cast into plastic, I can't deny that I like the idea of EC having baseline troopers and then the Noise Marines above them. That way there is contrast to make the Noise Marines truly excessive by comparison, instead of becoming the standard.

 

After all, you can only truly go up to 11 if there is a 10 below to compare it to, otherwise it's just 10 but louder.

 

Or at least that's the direction I hope they're taking with this. If not then I'll have to take it into my own hands, but even if the models themselves don't reflect this idea, the space for it will already be baked into the design.

Edited December 7 by DeadFingers

[Dr_Ruminahui]

I can also see it being a case where GW didn't feel a need to give them their own type of cultist unit when the current cultist models look pretty slanneshi.

[Macidious]

On 12/6/2024 at 2:04 PM, Chapter Master Valrak said:

 

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@Chapter Master Valrak would you be able to tell me this one thing, the elite “blade unit” the ec are getting can you confirm if they are actually terminators or are they just “eightbound” as in possessed marines

[LSM]

6 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

I'd far rather noise marines and EC marines than lose either to chaff. Something they could always add later but unlike the other cult legions, there's always been distinction between noise marines and "normal" EC marines. Also means more stuff for kit bashing and so on. If they're limited to how many kits for a release, we definitely get the better deal this way.

 

Agree wholeheartedly on rather having more Astartes than ~Jakhals.

 

I will quibble on the "always been a distinction" though. Not in the '96, '99 or 2002 Codexes (and arguably the 2007). 2012 was the first Codex where you could actually take a "Slaanesh Chaos Space Marine" that wasn't a Noise Marine.

 

(2007 could take Icons which gave the benefits of the mark, but that benefit was lost when the Icon was lost. And arguably the Index Astartes in 2001, where Veterans, Chaos Space Marines, and Havocs gained access to Sonic Weapons while being unmarked, but... I feel like the IA list's quirks, when compared to the other Cult Legions' lists, signifies it as half-baked, and so its better to look to the following year's Codex for the developers' intent.)  

 

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I don't think there were ever Slaanesh Cultists rumours - just speculation. (The same way there was massive Red Butcher speculation before World Eaters - when people were saying that they'd have to get Cult Terminators, because Thousand Sons and Death Guard have them. Similarly, people looks at the other three Cult Legions, see "chaff" and so Emperor's Children of course have to get chaff as well.)

 

I do wonder if the Cataphractii rumour was also someone pulling Valrak's chain. Similar to the "they must get chaff", I've seen people very strongly speculate on Phoenix Terminators in Cataphractii. The logic goes that Thousand Sons got Scarab Occult Terminators in Tartaros (while 30k have Sekhmet Terminator Cabals in Cataphractii), and Death Guard got Deathshroud in Cataphractii (while 30k Deathshroud are in Tartaros), and therefore Emperor's Children will get Phoenix Guard Terminators in Cataphractii (because 30k has them in Tartaros). But personally, I assume it's just that Scarab Occult are in Tartaros to maintain the MkIV aesthetic of the Rubrics, and likewise Deathshroud are in Cataphractii to match the Plague Marines. 

 

Edited December 7 by LSM

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, LSM said:

I do wonder if the Cataphractii rumour was also someone pulling Valrak's chain. Similar to the "they must get chaff", I've seen people very strongly speculate on Phoenix Terminators in Cataphractii. The logic goes that Thousand Sons got Scarab Occult Terminators in Tartaros (while 30k have Sekhmet Terminator Cabals in Cataphractii), and Death Guard got Deathshroud in Cataphractii (while 30k Deathshroud are in Tartaros), and therefore Emperor's Children will get Phoenix Guard Terminators in Cataphractii (because 30k has them in Tartaros). But personally, I assume it's just that Scarab Occult are in Tartaros to maintain the MkIV aesthetic of the Rubrics, and likewise Deathshroud are in Cataphractii to match the Plague Marines. 

 

I feel the 3man team won't be the Terminators for a different reason.
Namely that it's a 3man team.

 

Everyone else has Terminators in fives and tens, even WE who have a different 3man unit with some Terminator bits still got a 5/10 Terminator squad (not unique, but they still got it).

[LSM]

7 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I feel the 3man team won't be the Terminators for a different reason.
Namely that it's a 3man team.

 

Everyone else has Terminators in fives and tens, even WE who have a different 3man unit with some Terminator bits still got a 5/10 Terminator squad (not unique, but they still got it).

 

To be faaaaaaair (40k) Deathshroud Bodyguard are in three's.

 

Edited December 7 by LSM

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, LSM said:

To be faaaaaaair (40k) Deathshroud are in three's.

 

Y'know, I forgot DG has 2 different Terminator units.

In that case, there is a precedent for a 3-man Terminator unit, tho if they get it they're probably also getting Generic Terminators as well for the 5/10 man team.

[Macidious]

3 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

To be faaaaaaair (40k) Deathshroud are in three's.

 

That’s what I want , if we get a super elite phoenix guard in 3/6

[Marshal Loss]

20 minutes ago, LSM said:

I do wonder if the Cataphractii rumour was also someone pulling Valrak's chain. Similar to the "they must get chaff", I've seen people very strongly speculate on Phoenix Terminators in Cataphractii.

 

Those rumours do seem to have been superseded entirely anyway (so presumably it wasn't a good source), and I think you're right in that people may have made assumptions based off the TS & Dg releases, but there is actually a solid tradition of Emperor's Children Terminators wearing Cataphractii going back to Visions, so you never know. It's something I'd really like to see explored in 40k as I think the suit would really suit some hulking sonic cult terminators.