EC Rumours

[HeadlessCross]

On 12/11/2024 at 11:52 AM, Marshal Loss said:

 

I really don't think we're going to have Noise Marines and Slightly Larger Noise Marines, so I'm feeling pretty confident that we won't be subjected to combi-guitars.

You say that, but we got Eightbound and Exalted Eightbound LMAO

[Marshal Loss]

23 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

You say that, but we got Eightbound and Exalted Eightbound LMAO

 

Which are both made out of the same kit with minor cosmetic differences. Very different to two completely separate kits, which is what has been rumoured/discussed.

[TheMawr]

to be fair the better example with Eightbound would be Berzerkers and Eightbound.

One are chainweapon swinging maniacs, the other are bigger chainweapon swinging maniacs ;)

 

Dont think it proves any choice of direction, but it cant be denied thats what they are ( and has been a complaint by some.)

 

However I see it more as Chaos legionaires can take 1 heavy weapon, Havocs take 5 situation. Nobody sees those as redundant. Its a redundant round-about discussion though. I think this is what will happen with "legionaires" vs "Noise marines" thats what I mean with I think legionaires will be the unit what the upgrade sprue used to make, however I recently realised why that is confusing as I have these pictures in my mind GW mostly shows them as :

 

But I completely forgot the second upgrade sprue that comes with multiple noise weapons to equip the whole unit, wich people probably thought I meant.

So ignoring the rules, name and availability of assets on the current sprue, the above picture is what I think will be like the "legionaires" unit ( but ofcourse a full kit/not an upgrade sprue.) and what I think we have seen the renders of. I really dont see them doing a just-bolters legionaires unit as a downgrade to what CSM have, and think its equally unlikely that they get regular CSM legionaires heavy and special weapons.

Edited December 14 by TheMawr

[Marshal Loss]

To be clear, my point stemming from the previous page was that I don't think we're going to see combi-guitars or any nonsense like that throughout the range & that the sonic weapons we saw are reflective of what they'll look like across the army (aka no Legionnaire unit with sonic blasters and a separate Noise Marine unit with guitars), not that Noise Marines would be the sole source of them. I'd like sonic weaponry to have a big presence in the army as it's the most iconic part of the Third for me.

 

That being said while I know there are some enthusiastic posters hoping for what would essentially be multiple Noise Marine units, I actually don't expect there to be many (if any) sonic weapons on the Legionnaire squad, and Valrak has mentioned plasma guns and boltguns etc as being on that unit. I don't think GW see Slaanesh as being anywhere near as one-dimensional as they do Khorne, and frankly it's silly that you don't see more 'regular' weaponry in other Legions so I'd be quite pleased to see an EC tactical squad equivalent.

 

So long as the Noise Marine kit has the bits variety to form the basis of an army for those of us who are 3.5 era inclined and want a force based purely around the sonic cults, I'll be ecstatic (and I'm already excited to be able to run units in the appropriate 6 man size). We'll see soon enough anyway

Edited December 14 by Marshal Loss
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[Macidious]

30 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

To be clear, my point stemming from the previous page was that I don't think we're going to see combi-guitars or any nonsense like that throughout the range & that the sonic weapons we saw are reflective of what they'll look like across the army (aka no Legionnaire unit with sonic blasters which look like the guns we saw and a separate Noise Marine unit with guitars), not that Noise Marines would be the sole source of them. I'd like sonic weaponry to have a big presence in the army as it's the most iconic part of the Third for me.

 

That being said while I know there are some enthusiastic posters hoping for what would essentially be multiple Noise Marine units, I actually don't expect there to be many (if any) sonic weapons on the Legionnaire squad, and Valrak has mentioned plasma guns and boltguns etc as being on that unit. I don't think GW see Slaanesh as being anywhere near as one-dimensional as they do Khorne, and frankly it's silly that you don't see more 'normal' weaponry in other Legions so I'd be quite pleased to see an EC tactical squad equivalent.

 

So long as the Noise Marine kit has the bits variety to form the basis of an army for those of us who are 3.5 era inclined and want a force based purely around the sonic cults, I'll be ecstatic (and I'm already excited to be able to run units in the appropriate 6 man size). We'll see soon enough anyway

What I’m hoping is that the noise marines can be in units of 6-12 and not 3-6 , 3 noise marine squads seem too small to create so much KAKOPHONI 

[Marshal Loss]

26 minutes ago, Macidious said:

What I’m hoping is that the noise marines can be in units of 6-12 and not 3-6 , 3 noise marine squads seem too small to create so much KAKOPHONI 

 

That's very fair - for me I'd be happy with 3-6 if they're suitably monstrous (maybe on 40mm bases?) and their weapons are powered up/appropriately powerful to reflect the lore a bit better.

[Macidious]

30 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

 

That's very fair - for me I'd be happy with 3-6 if they're suitably monstrous (maybe on 40mm bases?) and their weapons are powered up/appropriately powerful to reflect the lore a bit better.

I think they should be like heavy intercessor/havoc tier power need up the sonic weapons and make them squads of 6/12 

 

Also personally I think that the legionaries will have the option to take 1 sonic blaster in every 6 , 2 sonic blasters in every 12 and 1 blastmaster in every squad , or something similar to how rubrics can have a reaper chain cannon as their heavy option , gives them a bit of power in shooting while letting the noise marines outclass them with a whole squad of the beautiful weapons 

 

I think the one worry I have is that there won’t be character support for them, cause personally I feel Lucius could maybe become a lone operative or he will be attachable the the blade unit and legionaries cause he will have melee rules and buffs but that won’t help noise marines , so I hope the lord has ways to help.

 

these are pipe dreams and won’t happen but would be cool if bile could ally and be on noise marines seeing it’s his creation , also they’ve done it before but maybe they turn the special edition noise marine into a character so they don’t have to waste him , maybe like a “lord of choirs” or something idk , seems like an easy addition to bulk up the codex 

[Antarius]

But lore-wise, isn't Bile well and truly done with the legion (and vice versa)? I really don't see him as a likely addition, as he's been unaligned/his own faction forever, pretty much. I guess with a cool enough story it could work, but I really don't think they'll go that route.

[Macidious]

2 hours ago, Antarius said:

But lore-wise, isn't Bile well and truly done with the legion (and vice versa)? I really don't see him as a likely addition, as he's been unaligned/his own faction forever, pretty much. I guess with a cool enough story it could work, but I really don't think they'll go that route.

I don’t see why they couldn’t add lore for a enemy of my enemy type partnership, would be interesting to see a new convo with him and fulgrim after so long

[FarFromSam]

There are plenty of skirmish games out there.   Give us 5-10, 6-12. Leave 3-6 for other games. 

[01RTB01]

41 minutes ago, FarFromSam said:

There are plenty of skirmish games out there.   Give us 5-10, 6-12. Leave 3-6 for other games. 

Totally agree. I'd place a large amount of money on noise marines being 6/12. 

[Macidious]

22 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Totally agree. I'd place a large amount of money on noise marines being 6/12. 

Also with this blade unit apparently being 3-6 would be really weird for another unit to be like that too 

[01RTB01]

22 minutes ago, Macidious said:

Also with this blade unit apparently being 3-6 would be really weird for another unit to be like that too 

Agreed here. Based on blade guard for marines and other elite, non terminator units I'd assume our unknown unit will be 3/6.

[Hathor42]

I'm hoping for snake bodies on the 3man unit if not I've got some daughter of khaine snake bodies waiting anyway lol.

[LSM]

Trivia: in oldhammer lore, the Tokmar of the Eastern Steppes worshipped Slaanesh as Loesh the Serpent.

 

But Loesh was a sea serpent. Which I feel is reflected in Steeds of Slaanesh having fins and such. (I'm not sure if the lobster claws work into this.)

[Antarius]

I don't think this will happen, but I actually sorta hope that they won't be too flanderized. There are already so many different visaul cues they can draw on and expand upon, so I really hope that not everything will be about loud noises, monoboobs and snake parts. I mean, all EC should of course be obviously slaaneshi at this point, but I hope they can sort of expand the palette of what that means a little and also leave enough obvious heresy-era marine armour remnants and weaponry.

[Macidious]

27 minutes ago, Antarius said:

I don't think this will happen, but I actually sorta hope that they won't be too flanderized. There are already so many different visaul cues they can draw on and expand upon, so I really hope that not everything will be about loud noises, monoboobs and snake parts. I mean, all EC should of course be obviously slaaneshi at this point, but I hope they can sort of expand the palette of what that means a little and also leave enough obvious heresy-era marine armour remnants and weaponry.

I mean from the teasers of the shoulders and helmets it looks like the legionaries will have a lot of nods to classic ec as well as heresey era armour , with the studded shoulder and old school helmets so I think it’ll have a bit of everything for all of our slaaneshy taste, I think ec will be the most versatile looking armies in 40K all the models will have character and there will be a model that appeals more to others which is very on theme 

[LSM]

I don't think having a theme is inherently flanderisation. You can fail to interestingly explore a theme (see: World Eaters) or successfully do so (see: Death Guard). 

 

I don't think EC being "the Noise Marine army" is super limiting - there's a lot you can do with sensory junkies. Not all of them have to go all in on being a walking discount speaker outlet, but having elements of "loud" helps tie the army together. I posted a Noise Marine by Mikhail Savier on the previous page. Speakers, studs, spikes, straps. (I'll pop another, plainer, one below.) Is that swordsman "flanderised" for having them? 

 

I'd love it if that's how our "basic marines"/10-man squad looks. Bolters or blades as basic equipment, a couple plasma and sonics as special weapons (as 'Mawr suggests). Classic Codex Noise Marines; visually with speakers, studs, spikes, straps.

 

And then the "Noise Marine"/6-man squad are heavily mutated sonic monstrosities - halfway towards sonic Obliterators in a general sense. 

 

(Though I'd personally call the 10-man squad Noise Marines and give the 6-man squad a new name; if it's the other way around then that works too.)

 

 

Savier also did some concept art for Noise Marines (non-commissioned and unofficial, as far as I know) which I love and will stick behind spoilers.

 

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As for the Heresy... four years in (Path of Heaven, pg 20-22) they were pretty far gone (abbreviated by me, marked with ellipses):

“The ship was [Eidolon's] Proudheart...

“The battleship's flanks had been as deeply changed as any other war vessel of the III Legion, and now swam with colour like spilled oil... [on it's hull] The scars of a hundred campaigns still lingered... [once they] would have been scoured from the adamantium plates post-action... now they were left in place, picked out, made into decorations...

“...the corridors echoed to new sounds. Frenzied cries came from the bowels of the ship endlessly, filtered and directed through transit shafts all the way up to the exalted heights, every shriek resampled and reworked by banks of auditory processors until the walls shook from the overlapping layers of curated anguish...

“...Now the lumens were never doused, and the clamour of an eternal day was never stilled. Menials had their eyelids sewn shut and their ears excised to keep them from going insane amid the eternal brilliance of it all...

“...once the most unsullied of Legions... They had purged their ranks... and now numbered only the devoted amongst their numbers, the brothers who embraced the new path, who revelled in it, who strove for sensation with all the zealotry they had once reserved for martial exactitude.

“What they had lost in dignity they had gained in pain-wracked power. Gifts came with mutilations, changes that once they would have shrunk from but which now made them conduits for a greater deadliness. Their armour had warped, crackling and blistering as the flesh and iron within twisted into new shapes. They toyed with their sacred gene architecture, willingly submitting to the knives of their apothecaries, who in turn had become the most exalted of their number – a priest-caste of flesh-artisans commanding power over life, death and the various charted states between and beyond.”

 

I'm fine with things that echo their pre-Heresy stylings. But they should be warped and changed; corrupted into a grotesque mockery of what the Legion once was.

 

 

Edited December 15 by LSM

[Macidious]

We need to all summon the warp into real space in this week before Christmas and summon the potato gods to show fulgrim just like how they showed Angron , we can do this!!

Edited December 15 by Macidious

[Indy Techwisp]

15 minutes ago, Macidious said:

We need to all summon the warp into real space in this week before Christmas and summon the potato gods to show fulgrim just like how they showed Magnus , we can do this!!

 

That is Angron, not Magnus.

[Macidious]

Corrected but you get the point of my desire lol, a Magnus leak would go down nicely as well 

[Nephaston]

At this point I'd actually want Fulgrim and cohort to remain unleaked, if just for the sheer novelty of having such a major release be revealed peoperly.

 

A proper Slaaneshmas miracle.

Edited December 15 by Nephaston
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[Macidious]

[01RTB01]

22 minutes ago, Macidious said:

Nope, we've got the Christmas day slot filled to the brim and overflowing with excitement.

 

This Friday will be something fairly innocuous. They've even said a 'little' surprise. Considering how overhyped and overstated the preview shows are, this may just be a pair of novelty socks/ a frame from a Warhammer tv show that's 3 years out/ something equally rubbish.

[Macidious]

6 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Nope, we've got the Christmas day slot filled to the brim and overflowing with excitement.

 

This Friday will be something fairly innocuous. They've even said a 'little' surprise. Considering how overhyped and overstated the preview shows are, this may just be a pair of novelty socks/ a frame from a Warhammer tv show that's 3 years out/ something equally rubbish.

Sad but true, maybe it’ll be a teaser trailer , like how the silent king got one before he was shown , but probably not they’re keep their cards as tight to their chest as humanly possible it’s insane