EC Rumours

[01RTB01]

Doesn't tally with Valrak. 

[TheMawr]

22 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Doesn't tally with Valrak. 

 

 

It actually "does" but it seems the guy has mixed everything from various valrak videos, including (earlier?) videos where valrak speculated ( not rumored, but speculated ) about Eidolon and Fabius bile.. and I think apothecaries too some time, but again.. that was just speculation.

 

The guy combined the speculation and the old rumors, but ignores all the newer rumors ( including the trademark disclaimers and excessive use of massive to describe something thats technically not massive :p )

Edited Sunday at 04:27 AM by TheMawr

[TheMawr]

And one thing... disproving rumors on the only merit that another rumor says otherwise is absolutely madness.

Rumors are in such a state that every rumor is equally true/untrue, no matter how ridiculous one would be and how reliable the track record of the other is. By its very nature a rumor cant be right or wrong, it just is.. until it isnt anymore. Though I really start to think Im the crazy one in this mindset

 

Anyway yeah, its not about eldar so its likely it will end up with an ian meme.

 

Most of all I have higher hope the Ian Valcolm version of the rumors might be to my taste than the pointy ones.

Especially if all valraks rumors magically fall together and we have a highly unlikely suprise Yriel+Corsairs vs Lucius+Chaosy duelists boxset titled War in the webway... in such a case, where do people sell their kidneys ?

 

[-DonCorleone-]

To me, this guy’s rumour is fairly close to Valrak’s only difference seems to be Noise Marines are main troops and addition of cultist

[Macidious]

43 minutes ago, -DonCorleone- said:

To me, this guy’s rumour is fairly close to Valrak’s only difference seems to be Noise Marines are main troops and addition of cultist

Based on valraks rumours I prefer the idea that we get legionaries instead of cultists , It just feels like a nicer aesthetic and legionaries feel like a more practical presence than cultists 

[Brother Paint]

10 hours ago, LSM said:

 

 

 

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Valrak's most recent rumour video said that the 3-man "swordsmaster" unit definitely aren't in TDA, but are "...kind of like... I don't know - how do I say this... more warp-forged kind of thing? Blended between marine-slash-daemons - mutated kind-of-monsters-things."

 

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I agree that "six-bound" would be a bit disappointing after Eightbound, in some respects.

 

There is a historic connection from Rogue Trader days (where EC loved getting possessed). I'd prefer if they just had access to the regular Possessed unit to represent that, though, instead of being their own kit. But it would be a neat nod, and it would be more unique than in World Eaters (where Eightbound are kind of just "bigger Berzerkers")... unless they give them Sonic Blaster arms or something...

 

As long as its not a unit that could reasonably be run in 30k, I'll be happy.

 

If anyone can remember the the hellstriders of slaanesh , they were sort of possessed 

[Macidious]

10 hours ago, LSM said:

 

 

 

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Valrak's most recent rumour video said that the 3-man "swordsmaster" unit definitely aren't in TDA, but are "...kind of like... I don't know - how do I say this... more warp-forged kind of thing? Blended between marine-slash-daemons - mutated kind-of-monsters-things."

 

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I agree that "six-bound" would be a bit disappointing after Eightbound, in some respects.

 

There is a historic connection from Rogue Trader days (where EC loved getting possessed). I'd prefer if they just had access to the regular Possessed unit to represent that, though, instead of being their own kit. But it would be a neat nod, and it would be more unique than in World Eaters (where Eightbound are kind of just "bigger Berzerkers")... unless they give them Sonic Blaster arms or something...

 

As long as its not a unit that could reasonably be run in 30k, I'll be happy.

 

Hmm ok you’ve convinced me a bit , if they do it right and it doesn’t look like cheap knockoffs of Eightbound, and it isn’t noise marines possessed “sixbound” but maybe palatines that are powered up through possession , I can see the vision 

[DeadFingers]

10 hours ago, LSM said:

Sonic Blaster arms or something...

If this was supposed to sound like a bad thing, I must say it had the opposite effect on me. Remarkably so.

[Chapter Master Valrak]

25th guys, you're going to see it all, maybe not Fulgrim, couple of days now :) 

[Macidious]

4 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

25th guys, you're going to see it all, maybe not Fulgrim, couple of days now :) 

These days are getting slower and slower I cannot wait!! 
 

im guessing they’re gonna leave out 

-Fulgrim 

-Lucius 

-Blademaster unit 

 

from this reveal to save closer to their release?? 

[LSM]

2 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

If this was supposed to sound like a bad thing, I must say it had the opposite effect on me. Remarkably so.

 

It was, but in the context of the launch overall.

 

Like, World Eaters got: Berzerkers, chaff berzerkers, and possessed berzerkers. Which feels a bit boring, and an unimaginative way to realise a "Khorne Berzerker army".* 

 

So if Emperor's Children get "basic marines" (in the aesthetic of classic Noise Marines, maybe sans Sonic Weapons maybe not) and "Noise Marines" (Sonic Weapons Havocs), what would one want a third unit to look like? Well... if the "Noise Marines" are taking the elite shooting role, I'd want some elite melee.

 

And my preference would be for straight melee Noise Marines, in a five-man dual kit (Chainswords + Doom Sirens or Accursed Weapons and Combat Drug Dispensers). But some sort of monstrous Palatine Blades - individuals who have pursued the perfection of the duel to an insane degree, and ended up as svelte Mutilators? I'd be down for that.

 

I'd also like them to share the Noise Marine look to a degree, so as to fit into the army. Maybe even have Doom Sirens... but Sonic Blasters? That turns them away from being a melee unit - into either a shooting unit (which the "Noise Marines" already are) or into a "flexible" unit (that never sees the tabletop). 

 

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*I'd have made the Jakhals actual post-action scavenger cultists that have rules based on following up the Berzerkers, to collect the blood and skulls, and pick off weakened foes. And then made Eightbound that actually looked like someone stuffed eight Bloodletters into a marine... or upped the more bio-mechanical and "forge-y" aspects. What happens to Possessed when you don't have Masters of Possession - dirty psykers - and rely on your Warpsmiths for that sort of thing.) 

[Macidious]

6 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

It was, but in the context of the launch overall.

 

Like, World Eaters got: Berzerkers, chaff berzerkers, and possessed berzerkers. Which feels a bit boring, and an unimaginative way to realise a "Khorne Berzerker army".* 

 

So if Emperor's Children get "basic marines" (in the aesthetic of classic Noise Marines, maybe sans Sonic Weapons maybe not) and "Noise Marines" (Sonic Weapons Havocs), what would one want a third unit to look like? Well... if the "Noise Marines" are taking the elite shooting role, I'd want some elite melee.

 

And my preference would be for straight melee Noise Marines, in a five-man dual kit (Chainswords + Doom Sirens or Accursed Weapons and Combat Drug Dispensers). But some sort of monstrous Palatine Blades - individuals who have pursued the perfection of the duel to an insane degree, and ended up as svelte Mutilators? I'd be down for that.

 

I'd also like them to share the Noise Marine look to a degree, so as to fit into the army. Maybe even have Doom Sirens... but Sonic Blasters? That turns them away from being a melee unit - into either a shooting unit (which the "Noise Marines" already are) or into a "flexible" unit (that never sees the tabletop). 

 

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*I'd have made the Jakhals actual post-action scavenger cultists that have rules based on following up the Berzerkers, to collect the blood and skulls, and pick off weakened foes. And then made Eightbound that actually looked like someone stuffed eight Bloodletters into a marine... or upped the more bio-mechanical and "forge-y" aspects. What happens to Possessed when you don't have Masters of Possession - dirty psykers - and rely on your Warpsmiths for that sort of thing.) 

Yeah I think some people forget that ecs trope isn’t “sonic army” but it’s different units experiencing sensation through multiple means , and if everything was possessed “with sonic weapons, terminators “with sonic weapons” it would defeat the purpose and wouldn’t make noise marines special in any way, so that’s why I’m hoping these blade masters are descendant of palatine blades and are powered up by slaanesh possession and crave the best duels 

[Chapter Master Valrak]

8 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

Especially if all valraks rumors magically fall together and we have a highly unlikely suprise Yriel+Corsairs vs Lucius+Chaosy duelists boxset titled War in the webway... in such a case, where do people sell their kidneys ?

 

 

Webway Boxset was Custodes for HH :) 

 

Spoiler

That's if it got past the planning stage ;)

 

[Lord Marshal]

15 hours ago, Macidious said:

I mean right now kudos to them , this year we have seen probably the most leaks from gw than any other year but ec have been locked up tight!

 

Moving the plumbers over from The Old World would explain why those pipes seem to have burst. 

[LSM]

41 minutes ago, Macidious said:

Yeah I think some people forget that ecs trope isn’t “sonic army” but it’s different units experiencing sensation through multiple means , and if everything was possessed “with sonic weapons, terminators “with sonic weapons” it would defeat the purpose and wouldn’t make noise marines special in any way, so that’s why I’m hoping these blade masters are descendant of palatine blades and are powered up by slaanesh possession and crave the best duels 

 

My preference is for the EC to be "the sonic army"...

 

In that while they're here to excessively pursue the pleasures of experience by multiple means, they do so without restraint and without limit. So it's less multiple means than all the means.

 

Noise Marines are loud enough to kill; they also intake volume - both auditory and visual noise. They love watching things get crazy (in RT they had Hallucinogen Grenades and in 2nd could take Photon Flash Flares). They love all sorts of pain/touch (giving and receiving). And, personally, I'm down for adding some "taste" motifs. (Like the Flickering Blades - RIP - whose armour's tongues lapped up all the blood as they whirled through their opponents.) Not... not entirely sure how you'd do smell... I guess the funky nose hole that one bat-eared guy has in Eternal?

 

So I still want sonic elements present on "sixbound", just not for them to be the focus like on the Noise Marine (Havocs) units. Like if Doom Sirens are restricted to Cacophonists and unit champions, I wouldn't mind seeing them on the melee unit. (In the 2002 codex, besides laying down a template attack, Doom Sirens also forced enemies to fight at Initiative order. Which the Mark of Slaanesh's Warp Scream then gave the Noise Marine an advantage in, resulting in someone with a Doom Siren generally fighting first. Handy for a duellist.)

 

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I'm a bit unsure of that (resultingly) turning them into "generic Luciuses". It worked for Death Guard, though, I suppose (where Deathshroud Bodyguard are basically "generic Typhuses").

 

The other thing that I always bring up: whenever one talks about the Emperor's Children and "perfection", "beauty", etc it's important to remember that they're insane. In RT they "beautify" their armour, which is then described as grotesque. Or from the 8th ed CSM Codex:

 

"The Emperor’s Children have always taken great pride in their appearance. Once, they considered magnificence of form to be epitomised by statuesque armour and finely wrought blades, but since they turned wholly to Slaanesh they have become ever more extreme and bizarre, bearing garish and clashing colours that offend the eye to mutant anatomies that only a madman could consider a gift from the gods. Provided the end result allows them to sample ever more excessive sensations, the Emperor’s Children are more than happy to adopt Slaanesh’s perverse tastes as their own."

 

Lucius is the textbook case for this. He's nuts. He considers himself the perfect swordsman, and per The Reflection Crack'd attributes that perfection to his lust for pain. Whereas other swordsmen shy from it, he yearns for it. If Nykona Sharrowkyn were playing Mortal Kombat and got a FLAWLESS VICTORY they'd consider it perfect. Lucius would consider it boring. "Ugh, a duel where you don't get stabbed even once? How pedestrian." 

 

Edited Sunday at 02:29 PM by LSM

[Hathor42]

1 hour ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

25th guys, you're going to see it all, maybe not Fulgrim, couple of days now :) 

But that's 3 whole sleeps away. Three whole sleeps!!

[Macidious]

5 minutes ago, Hathor42 said:

But that's 3 whole sleeps away. Three whole sleeps!!

I knowwww, why do they hate us and make us endure such torture lol 

[Indy Techwisp]

1 hour ago, LSM said:

 

My preference is for the EC to be "the sonic army"...

 

In that while they're here to excessively pursue the pleasures of experience by multiple means, they do so without restraint and without limit. So it's less multiple means than all the means.

 

Noise Marines are loud enough to kill; they also intake volume - both auditory and visual noise. They love watching things get crazy (in RT they had Hallucinogen Grenades and in 2nd could take Photon Flash Flares). They love all sorts of pain/touch (giving and receiving). And, personally, I'm down for adding some "taste" motifs. (Like the Flickering Blades - RIP - whose armour's tongues lapped up all the blood as they whirled through their opponents.) Not... not entirely sure how you'd do smell... I guess the funky nose hole that one bat-eared guy has in Eternal?

 

So I still want sonic elements present on "sixbound", just not for them to be the focus like on the Noise Marine (Havocs) units. Like if Doom Sirens are restricted to Cacophonists and unit champions, I wouldn't mind seeing them on the melee unit. (In the 2002 codex, besides laying down a template attack, Doom Sirens also forced enemies to fight at Initiative order. Which the Mark of Slaanesh's Warp Scream then gave the Noise Marine an advantage in, resulting in someone with a Doom Siren generally fighting first. Handy for a duellist.)

 

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I'm a bit unsure of that (resultingly) turning them into "generic Luciuses". It worked for Death Guard, though, I suppose (where Deathshroud Bodyguard are basically "generic Typhuses").

 

The other thing that I always bring up: whenever one talks about the Emperor's Children and "perfection", "beauty", etc it's important to remember that they're insane. In RT they "beautify" their armour, which is then described as grotesque. Or from the 8th ed CSM Codex:

 

"The Emperor’s Children have always taken great pride in their appearance. Once, they considered magnificence of form to be epitomised by statuesque armour and finely wrought blades, but since they turned wholly to Slaanesh they have become ever more extreme and bizarre, bearing garish and clashing colours that offend the eye to mutant anatomies that only a madman could consider a gift from the gods. Provided the end result allows them to sample ever more excessive sensations, the Emperor’s Children are more than happy to adopt Slaanesh’s perverse tastes as their own."

 

Lucius is the textbook case for this. He's nuts. He considers himself the perfect swordsman, and per The Reflection Crack'd attributes that perfection to his lust for pain. Whereas other swordsmen shy from it, he yearns for it. If Nykona Sharrowkyn were playing Mortal Kombat and got a FLAWLESS VICTORY they'd consider it perfect. Lucius would consider it boring. "Ugh, a duel where you don't get stabbed even once? How pedestrian." 

 

 

There's a sect of Slaanesh worshippers mentioned in the old FFG Black Crusade books who's entire thing is Excessive, Perfected Silence.

They even have unique wargear to force things nearby to shut up.

 

Noise Marines may be THE sonic guys, but that doesn't mean EC need to be the Sonic army.

[Macidious]

29 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

There's a sect of Slaanesh worshippers mentioned in the old FFG Black Crusade books who's entire thing is Excessive, Perfected Silence.

They even have unique wargear to force things nearby to shut up.

 

Noise Marines may be THE sonic guys, but that doesn't mean EC need to be the Sonic army.

I totally agree , like I want different units to identity with different addictions so that they will play different too , and if everything was sonic noise marines aren’t special 

[LSM]

47 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

There's a sect of Slaanesh worshippers mentioned in the old FFG Black Crusade books who's entire thing is Excessive, Perfected Silence.

They even have unique wargear to force things nearby to shut up.

 

Noise Marines may be THE sonic guys, but that doesn't mean EC need to be the Sonic army.

 

Ehhhhhh... don't like. Too clever by half.

 

Under that understanding of "excess", you could have an EC marine who was excessively normal, or excessively pleasant, or excessively kind.

 

If you measure sound on a scale of 0-10, Slaanesh worshippers (IMO) should want 11. An "excessive zero" doesn't work for me, conceptually. It's lost the plot.

 

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Of course, I prefer when Slaanesh is portrayed as a god of excessive pleasure instead of pleasurable excess, and think that the pursuit of common, sane perfection fits Tzeentch worshippers better - as perfection is a constantly changing thing that is, at the end of the day, unattainable (and thus requires a boundless font of hope in anyone trying to do so). For example: Ahriman is endlessly trying to perfect his Rubric.

 

Edited Sunday at 05:01 PM by LSM

[Macidious]

7 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

Ehhhhhh... don't like. Too clever by half.

 

Under that understanding of "excess", you could have an EC marine who was excessively normal, or excessively pleasant, or excessively kind.

 

If you measure sound on a scale of 0-10, Slaanesh worshippers (IMO) should want 11. An "excessive zero" doesn't work for me, conceptually. It's lost the plot.

 

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Of course, I prefer when Slaanesh is portrayed as a god of excessive pleasure instead of pleasurable excess, and think that the pursuit of common, sane perfection fits Tzeentch worshippers better - as perfection is a constantly changing thing that is, at the end of the day, unattainable (and thus requires a boundless font of hope in anyone trying to do so). For example: Ahriman is endlessly trying to perfect his Rubric.

 

I think you’re putting the rules of slaanesh out of the context of Warhammer, like no son of fulgrim is gonna be a normal guy and any desire can be twisted by slaanesh 

 

 

[TheMawr]

26 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

There's a sect of Slaanesh worshippers mentioned in the old FFG Black Crusade books who's entire thing is Excessive, Perfected Silence.

They even have unique wargear to force things nearby to shut up.

 

Noise Marines may be THE sonic guys, but that doesn't mean EC need to be the Sonic army.

 

Terrible example ( not meant as offensive as it sounds ), Silence is still a focus on the sensation of Noise, just the absence of it.

 

 

And to be fair, what would their equipment look like ? the most effective way would be negative sound, so you have the same equipment and instead of noise it generates negative noise, its basically headcanon/subfaction/detachment rules territory.. not a miniature one.

 

 

[HeadlessCross]

3 hours ago, LSM said:

 

It was, but in the context of the launch overall.

 

Like, World Eaters got: Berzerkers, chaff berzerkers, and possessed berzerkers.

You forgot SUPER Possessed Berserkers. 

[Alby the Slayer]

I don't want full reveal of Fulgrim, just give us a little detail like they did with Mortarion scythe. 

 

Something to have lustful dreams about...

[Macidious]

3 minutes ago, Alby the Slayer said:

I don't want full reveal of Fulgrim, just give us a little detail like they did with Mortarion scythe. 

 

Something to have lustful dreams about...

Nah , it’s either they do or they don’t , I’ve had enough of, “oooo they’re not in the codex what does that mean” “here’s the index why are they here” , 3d renders of pieces but not full models, I think we have been rumour engines and teased enough lol.

 

its time we see full painted models THATS IT