EC Rumours

[Macidious]

1 hour ago, LSM said:

 

When he's turning, my brain can make it work both ways.

 

I think he's turning left though, not right. 

1. The other four models are also turning left.
2. We know (from the static image) that he has a torn tabard that's swinging very far out. We can't see this much in the video, so it's likely being blocked by the forward leg. The forward leg's lumpy calf outline emerges from the tabard's outline. If he was turning to the right, we'd expect to see the tabard revealed more, not less. It's possible that this forward leg is the left, but I think it makes more sense if it's his right.
3. From the static image, we know that the Lash passes "behind" the "back" leg (Lucius' "left"). But from the video, we can be confident that the Lash is at the front of the model, meaning that it's passing "in front of" the "forward" leg (Lucius' "right").

Nephaston's view is the same way that I've settled on. Right leg forward, violently twisted waist (back-breaking T&A pose), left arm forward with sword, right arm back with whip, which curls around to the right, forward and up to the left.

omg but I just looked at the video again and you’re right lol , it is a crazy optical illusion , he is a master of the tricks 

[LSM]

41 minutes ago, Macidious said:

It’s better than all the arguing and crying happening the krieg chat , us ec fans are civilised and are talking about a cool model we’re excited for 

 

Hohohoho-ohboy.

 

I think EC fans are going to lose their gourds when we get confirmation of all the CSM stuff we aren't getting to borrow.

 

I also think the reveal of the "Swordmasters" are going to be incredibly controversial. A lot of people just want Palatine Blades, but Valrak's rumours sound more like svelte Mutilators.

 

And if the 10-man squad turns out to be the Noise Marines, and the 6-man squad a new "Noise Marine Havocs" equivalent, you're going to see a lot of angry 30k/Black Library fans complaining about how GW has gotten it wrong, how Noise Marines aren't supposed to be using Bolters, and how the Third is supposed to mostly be made up of Legionaries, not Noise Marines.

[Scribe]

lol carry on brothers.

[Ammonius]

46 minutes ago, Macidious said:

omg but I just looked at the video again and you’re right lol , it is a crazy optical illusion , he is a master of the tricks

Something Something quantum state is affected by observation...

Something Something you're both right until you open the package...

Something Something ... complete ...

:)

[Macidious]

16 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

Hohohoho-ohboy.

 

I think EC fans are going to lose their gourds when we get confirmation of all the CSM stuff we aren't getting to borrow.

 

I also think the reveal of the "Swordmasters" are going to be incredibly controversial. A lot of people just want Palatine Blades, but Valrak's rumours sound more like svelte Mutilators.

 

And if the 10-man squad turns out to be the Noise Marines, and the 6-man squad a new "Noise Marine Havocs" equivalent, you're going to see a lot of angry 30k/Black Library fans complaining about how GW has gotten it wrong, how Noise Marines aren't supposed to be using Bolters, and how the Third is supposed to mostly be made up of Legionaries, not Noise Marines.

I don’t think any army fanbase in the history of Warhammer has been 100 percent happy or please about anything lol , it’s in impossible challenge but as long as they get the core correct I’ll have no true annoyances , ec won’t get everything , just how world eaters and thousand sons never got everything , it just means that there’s more to come someday 

Just now, Macidious said:

I don’t think any army fanbase in the history of Warhammer has been 100 percent happy or please about anything lol , it’s in impossible challenge but as long as they get the core correct I’ll have no true annoyances , ec won’t get everything , just how world eaters and thousand sons never got everything , it just means that there’s more to come someday 

And I think it’s obvious what we will and won’t get generally from csm, cause world eaters and thousand sons are the blueprint 

[Macidious]

1 minute ago, Macidious said:

I don’t think any army fanbase in the history of Warhammer has been 100 percent happy or please about anything lol , it’s in impossible challenge but as long as they get the core correct I’ll have no true annoyances , ec won’t get everything , just how world eaters and thousand sons never got everything , it just means that there’s more to come someday 

And I think it’s obvious what we will and won’t get generally from csm, cause world eaters and thousand sons are the blueprint 

But as of right now , it’s just been fun to be excited and that’s all that matters right now, when things start moving then we’ll see what happens 

[Marshal Loss]

2 hours ago, LSM said:

And if the 10-man squad turns out to be the Noise Marines, and the 6-man squad a new "Noise Marine Havocs" equivalent, you're going to see a lot of angry 30k/Black Library fans complaining about how GW has gotten it wrong, how Noise Marines aren't supposed to be using Bolters, and how the Third is supposed to mostly be made up of Legionaries, not Noise Marines.

 

I mean, I've read a lot of opinions over the last few months and you are legitimately the only person that appears to be heavily invested in this 'issue'. (edit: I've come back and re-read this, was only meant as a gentle ribbing - apologies if it came off the wrong way)

 

There will be some wringing of hands over the loss of options but this is also the fourth time the CSM community has participated in this rodeo, and World Eaters were only a couple of years ago. People are primed for it. I think what will be frustrating will be the next (x) years of posts where people are asking when EC are getting a second wave.

 

I do agree that the possessed swordsmen may get a bit of a frosty reception though if only because some people will automatically call them EC eightbound. Let's hope the sculpts are good!

Edited January 9 by Marshal Loss

[01RTB01]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Some may call it an act of excess....

Excessively excessive. That said, can't wait for next Thursday.

[WrathOfTheLion]

1 hour ago, Marshal Loss said:

There will be some wringing of hands over the loss of options but this is also the fourth time the CSM community has participated in this rodeo, and World Eaters were only a couple of years ago. People are primed for it. I think what will be frustrating will be the next (x) years of posts where people are asking when EC are getting a second wave.

Definitely something that will happen, although not an undeserved complaint given how underdeveloped many of those ranges have been, especially without much supplemental datasheets from base CSM.

[Macidious]

6 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Excessively excessive. That said, can't wait for next Thursday.

Friday 5am for me I am waking up an hour early before I have to go to work lol 

 

this week is gonna go so slow , but will be worth it

[LSM]

7 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

I mean, I've read a lot of opinions over the last few months and you are legitimately the only person that appears to be heavily invested in this 'issue'. (edit: I've come back and re-read this, was only meant as a gentle ribbing - apologies if it came off the wrong way)

 

It's not really an issue now, because everyone is still (at the moment) getting the EC of their dreams. When it's revealed that we're all getting the EC of someone else's dreams instead... I'd expect some people to... pout.

 

Yeah... I guess just being involved in a lot of those discussions over the last year... On the other side of opinions that the Emperor's Children as "the Noise Marine army" would be conceptually bad and unloreful... often feeling like one of the few voices expressing the possibility of the old take on the Third...

 

(Not so much here, where discussion has always been great.)

 

I'm braced for the EC of my (~3rd edition) youth's dreams to not come, and to be more "pre-Heresy but Slaanesh". I'm not sure if Black Library-EC fans are as braced for the reverse: if EC do get the "the Noise Marine army" treatment.

 

//

 

You didn't see any spicy Fulgrim takes before Christmas, y'know?

 

(Just comes to mind, as on another site I had someone randomly respond today to my weeks old comment liking the sea serpent-ness of him, with note of how Fulgrim's a worse looking model that doesn't "adequately match the lore description of the character in question".)

 

Edited January 10 by LSM

[Marshal Loss]

2 hours ago, LSM said:

 

I'm braced for the EC of my (~3rd edition) youth's dreams to not come, and to be more "pre-Heresy but Slaanesh". I'm not sure if Black Library-EC fans are as braced for the reverse: if EC do get the "the Noise Marine army" treatment.

 

I mean, I'm a product of 3/3.5 as well and I don't see a reason to worry beyond your desire for all EC to be explicitly categorised as noise marines. They won't be, that ship has clearly sailed, but it's still a huge part of the army's identity and the renders we've seen so far look pretty much exactly how I would have hoped the army would look like were it built in that image.

 

I don't think there are many 'Black Library-EC fans' sharpening their pitchforks because things like e.g. the Josh Reynolds take on Noise Marines being weird monks or the popular obsession with the clone of Fulgrim and loyalist EC coming back are very popular on the 40klore subreddit and similar communities but also tend to be disconnected from the actual tabletop game who drive the sales. I know you frequent a lot of those spaces and engage in spirited discussions with these enthusiastic individuals - I am a regular upvoter of yours - but they're still a firm minority overall.

 

EC are unique out of the cult legions in that I'd argue we have the least homogeneous community by a wide margin. There are masses of loyalist EC fans and traitor EC fans focused respectively on both the 30k and 40k eras in comparison to our cult peers and it's led to a lot of different perspectives on the legion. But early indications are that GW's take is cleaving pretty closely to our degenerate heritage while paying suitable amounts of homage to both decades of popular 30k lore and the older sculpts and previous books that made the legion what it is today.

 

At the end of the day, I think there's just so much to be positive about, so let's just sit back and enjoy what is probably (and without exaggeration) going to be the most exciting 40k release of our lives. Maybe a broader discussion on some of the points you raise re: these perspectives would be better suited to a post-reveal/launch debrief thread rather than what is nominally meant to be the 'EC rumour' thread.

[Macidious]

Well either way let’s all stay strong , only 1 week before we see more , stay strong , what’s seven more days huh lol (I’m going insane)

[LSM]

6 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

...Maybe a broader discussion on some of the points you raise re: these perspectives would be better suited to a post-reveal/launch debrief thread rather than what is nominally meant to be the 'EC rumour' thread.

 

I was responding to a post about the EC fandom being different to the IG fandom, in regards to positivity. 

 

Attempting to note that we're in a different phase - once controversial stuff starts happening, we'll see more controversy. 

 

(Less attempting to put down or discourage EC fandom, I suppose, then defend the IG fandom?)

[Jings]

I mean I see a lot of Guard players crying because the horses aren't as cool as the OG FW ones, but that's anger at replacement and changes in design. Jimmy's Kids haven't had a non-promo model release in literal decades and they're getting a Primarch. I think the World Eaters release is the only one that's had any decent amount of salt and even then, most of what I saw was people being hype. Guard have fairly regular releases and a much larger playerbase, so they're more likely to get moody. Whereas Emperor's Children are much more niche, being a (major) sub-faction that has had nothing for over 20 years. People are just happy to have a release and are excited to see them refreshed, modernized, and frankly, fully realized on the tabletop for the first time since the ranges modernized. They'd have to get it very, very wrong for people to be upset. 

[Hathor42]

It would be quite sadistic of GW if they don't even show Lucius on Thursday, and we just get the knight teases after they said not all those silhouettes would be on the LVO show. 

[Macidious]

1 hour ago, Hathor42 said:

It would be quite sadistic of GW if they don't even show Lucius on Thursday, and we just get the knight teases after they said not all those silhouettes would be on the LVO show. 

I will be calling sick from work to take a trip to Nottingham lol 

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, Hathor42 said:

It would be quite sadistic of GW if they don't even show Lucius on Thursday, and we just get the knight teases after they said not all those silhouettes would be on the LVO show. 

They put a separate thing on social media directly advertising LVO using the Lucius shadow. It's more or less a given that he'll be there.

[Macidious]

22 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

They put a separate thing on social media directly advertising LVO using the Lucius shadow. It's more or less a given that he'll be there.

And the thumbnail for LVO he is included , so probably the other 2 in the row of 5 aren’t gonna be in it , which is confirmed cause that mech is a Horus Heresey model and no 30k is being shown 

[01RTB01]

Lucius will be outstanding no doubt, however, I sincerely hope we see the army box. Without that, I'll be a puddle of disappointment. I don't think it's too much to ask. We shall see.

 

7 days...

[Macidious]

14 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Lucius will be outstanding no doubt, however, I sincerely hope we see the army box. Without that, I'll be a puddle of disappointment. I don't think it's too much to ask. We shall see.

 

7 days...

I am hoping that too , I feel like they’ll show it all , cause if they show Lucius, and a boxset , all that’s left are the “blade masters” and there’s no point holding back on 1 kit 

[DeadFingers]

53 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Lucius will be outstanding no doubt, however, I sincerely hope we see the army box. Without that, I'll be a puddle of disappointment. I don't think it's too much to ask. We shall see.

 

7 days...

With the apparent disappearance of the Ecstatic Epistle, which should have happened this week if they kept the schedule, there's definitely some weight behind thinking that the reveals are close, as they seemingly do not feel it necessary to continue with the teasers.

 

Could be wrong though, GW are truly unpredictable when they want to. Remember when they revealed the Berzerkers at one preview event, then Invocatus a month later, and then the Eightbound and Jakhals alongside the generic Juggerlord build another month later? Could be that they're planning to just show Lucius at LVO and then bring the Epistle back after that to reveal the rest in a gradual fashion, since there are no other preview shows until AdeptiCon besides the Black Library one. At least that I remember. Could always announce an online preview whenever they want, I suppose.

Edited January 10 by DeadFingers

[DemonGSides]

Seems early for an army box. Those are usually shown 3-4 months out and I don't think anyone's quite expecting EC in April, right?

[Indy Techwisp]

27 minutes ago, Macidious said:

I am hoping that too , I feel like they’ll show it all , cause if they show Lucius, and a boxset , all that’s left are the “blade masters” and there’s no point holding back on 1 kit 

 

We could also get completely blindsided by GW showing off just Lucius, whatever the Loyalist/Chaos Knight is and then spending the rest of the 40k preview showing off the Corsairs half of the Aeldari refresh plus Kandras (who wasn't in the last preview because the 'eavy Metal Painters hadn't finished him yet).

[Macidious]

2 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

Seems early for an army box. Those are usually shown 3-4 months out and I don't think anyone's quite expecting EC in April, right?

I mean the krieg box was shown at the end of November and it’s already out , so not out of the realm of possibility , and the ec army may come out in April if they’re right after imperial knights