EC Rumours

[Macidious]

7 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

Dark angels, they shown Asmodai and Deathwing knights before they had shown the full box content and Asmodai was a later release.

 

There have also been reveal cases of only leaving a couple models unpreviewed only to drop them on the mondays shortly after.

 

Most weird split up of previews you can imagine they have done before... especially because split up previews Where the standard, so none of that is unusual behavior. 

 

Having a full "big" release preview drop in one preview show is the more unusual behavior.. Let alone 3 of them. We already are in very weird behavior territory since last preview show ;) so hanging on to any "thats how they do things" is out of the window.

 

They could show corsairs, full emperors children range and a knight upgrade kit and it still would be less kits shown than krieg+AW eldar last time. So the amount shown is not a deciding factor.

 

On the other hand they could show just Lucius and whatever the kit replacing current noise marines is and show nothing else for 40k.. leaving a "why then just not show the Phoenix lords and AW at LVO so they had two filled previews" as a big head scratcher.. this is GW after all, it wouldnt suprise me.

 

 

 

The only copium I have is that the preview before Christmas was probably the best preview we’ve had in a long time and they showed off the entire krieg range, eldar range , a new gloomspite gitz range and other things , so it’s not out of the realm of possibility to see the entire ec range as well as the imperial knights and if this corsair thing is true maybe them 

[TheMawr]

Since the new rumor engine shows a 1 on 1 of an excisting cherub wing, so its not EC, but it had me thinking for a second.

Corrupted cherubs could be So interesting for emperors children.. it can even have a noise aspect for LSM ( i think its him ) it is a big mind f to loyalists like the legions name.

 

Though maybe its a design to thread very carefully with slaanesh 

[Indy Techwisp]

29 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

Since the new rumor engine shows a 1 on 1 of an excisting cherub wing, so its not EC, but it had me thinking for a second.

Corrupted cherubs could be So interesting for emperors children.. it can even have a noise aspect for LSM ( i think its him ) it is a big mind f to loyalists like the legions name.

 

Though maybe its a design to thread very carefully with slaanesh 

 

Which Cherub's wing, out of interest?

[Fire Golem]

2 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Which Cherub's wing, out of interest?

I don’t know exactly which Cherub it is but I’m assuming SoB:

[LSM]

Cherubs would go well with Emperor's Children. 

 

While the Imperium has them as warped Christian religious imagery, Cherubs themselves were borrowed from Roman Putti.

 

And Putti were (to quote wikipedia) associated with "profane passions in symbolism", and mostly with Venus/Aphrodite (and by extension Eros/Cupid of course), as well as Bacchus/Dionysus.

 

Carnality and hedonism and lust and dance and drink and the end of inhibitions.

 

You then also have the "heavenly choir"/harpist aspects to them, as well as potentially being a fawning childlike audience of adorers. Lots of ways to work them into Emperor's Children.

 

//

 

Having said that, if there were Emperor's Children Cherubs, and they had (the Rumour Engine) wings that dull and boring, I'd be incredibly disappointed. I already think the previewed EC Shoulder Pads look too pristine/30k. If the Cherubs could be interchanged with Sisters of Battle ones... ugh.

[Fire Golem]

1 minute ago, LSM said:

 

Having said that, if there were Emperor's Children Cherubs, and they had (the Rumour Engine) wings that dull and boring, I'd be incredibly disappointed. I already think the previewed EC Shoulder Pads look too pristine/30k. If the Cherubs could be interchanged with Sisters of Battle ones... ugh.

That’s exactly what I said on another forum haha, far too dull. 
 

Just seen you replied there!

Edited Tuesday at 02:45 PM by Fire Golem

[TheMawr]

I guess we all visit that other forum

 

But yes, I dont think they use the same CAD from an imperium faction in a chaos faction. It was just something that sprung my mind that would be an interesting thing to explore for emperors children. The rumor engine itself certainly isnt.

[Macidious]

Well nearly 2 days away from glory, stay strong everyone!!

[Macidious]

Less than a day before the reveals!!! 

[Dalmyth]

5 hours ago, Macidious said:

Less than a day before the reveals!!! 

We're almost there

[Macidious]

9 minutes ago, Dalmyth said:

We're almost there

Work has been so slow today, time knows what I want and is trying to stop it lol 

[Ammonius]

1 hour ago, Macidious said:

Work has been so slow today, time knows what I want and is trying to stop it lol 

Savor the exquisite anticipation/ torment of ever-slowing time?

[Macidious]

7 minutes ago, Ammonius said:

Savor the exquisite anticipation/ torment of ever-slowing time?

7 years of waiting has been enough savouring I think lol now for the release 

[TheMawr]

So to cover the waiting time I made this list of previews, releases, cylces, dates etc. I like to predict and speculate wildly, but I do like to do it informed :

Spoiler

Necron ( 3 kits, 3 previews, 1 month ) no boxset  last preview to first NW preorder >> 1 day
-- Imothek + codex reveal WHday23 14 oct
-- Necron lord monday reveal 30 oct
-- Orikan NWO23 18 nov  (+ Pariah nexus crusade book)
-- General release NW preorder 19 nov

 

Admech   -- preview WHday 14 oct -- NW preorder 19 nov

Dark Angels ( 4 kits+sprue, 2 previews, 3 months ) last preview to first NW preorder >> 3 weeks
-- Miniatures reveal NWO23 18 nov (+ codex roadmap)
-- Box reveal Christmas23 25 dec -- NW preorder 14 jan
-- General release NW preorder 18 Feb

Orks           -- preview WHDO 2 mar -- NW preorder 7 apr
Custodes   -- preview WHDO 2 mar -- NW preorder 7 apr

Kroot ( 8 kits, 4 previews, 3 months ) last preview to first NW preorder  >> 3 weeks
-- Box reveal 19 Jan (LVO) - NW preorder 10 Mar
-- other reveals  3x Miniature mondays   5 Feb, 12 Feb, 19 Feb
-- General release NW preorder 21 Apr

CSM           -- preview Adepticon 21 mar -- NW preorder 5 may
SoB             -- preview WH preview 18 may -- NW preorder 2 jun
GSC             -- preview WH preview 18 may -- NW preorder 2 jun
Imperial Agents  -- preview Miniature monday 22 jul -- NW preorder 4 aug

 

Blood Angels ( 6 kits+sprue, 3 previews, 2 months ) last preview to first NW preorder >> 6 days
-- Box reveal 29 juli (miniature monday) - NW Preorder 18 Aug
-- Other reveals 2x Miniature mondays  5 Aug & 12 Aug
-- General release NW preorder 29 Sep

Krieg ( 6 kits, 1 preview, ? months ) last preview to first NW preorder >> 6 weeks
-- Box reveal 22 nov ( NWO ) - NW preorder 5 jan
-- General release unknown

 

pending :

 

Eldar ( 7? kits, ? previews, ? months )
-- Leak Fuegan 25 oct
-- Miniatures reveal 22 nov ( NWO )
-- General release unknown

Imperial knights -- preview -- NW preorder
Chaos knights -- preview -- NW preorder

Emperors children ( ? kits, ? previews, ? months )
-- Fulgrim christmas24 26dec
-- Lucius LVO 16 jan
-- General release unknown

 

 

Bottomline is that there is no real pattern with the bigger releases, every off-pattern behavior in what they show, when they show it and in wich order they show it thinkable has been done at least once. The solo model releases have a more steady pattern. There is also no difference in value between Preview shows and Monday previews.

The stronger pattern is in the timelines, with no cycle of first preview to last next week preorder release lasting more than 3 months, and the last preview of a release and the first next week preorder only lasting a couple of weeks max.

Krieg so far is the biggest outlier in all aspects, but since it is also the latest confirmed (near) finalised cycle it could remain an outlier or it could become a new benchmark.

 

With all that said, I will not make a single prediction, but 4 options I can see happening, mind you that this prediction holds one thing as true that might not be.. that this preview will have a new Armybox on show, but only one new Armybox (as its one of their most consistent behaviors) :

 

Option A -- the we have been burned before concervative one

-Imperial knights shown
-Partial Emperors children shown ( Lucius+Armybox), rest on 2 new miniature mondays, starting 1 or to weeks after the show and lasting up to a week or two before the boxsets next week preorder.

 

While conservative, and one we all feel/fear is most likely somewhere, this one would actually make the least sense logically. Because there was no reason to rush out so much at the last preview show then, it also doesnt rhyme with several rumors in a way, not just the corsairs rumors. Im torn between considering this the least likely outcome, and also the one I expect. ( in part because we have had very dissapointing previews before.)

Option B -- the valrak posts a JP meme but technically isnt allowed to one
-Imperial knights shown (maybe)
-Full Emperors children and armybox shown

 

This one is actually more likely, while discarding some rumors. it could mean we get one of those weird order releases; Aeldari coming out quite soon (and before Krieg general release.) quickly followed by knights, and EC armybox hitting preorder somewhere in february, with their general release thus being march, not spring. ( well if its end of march its technically spring.) compared to the other 3 options its least consistent with GW previous behavior, instead, starting a new behavior since krieg&eldar.

Option C -- the GW does have patterns after all one
-Aeldari corsairs shown with the next army box (theirs)
-Partial Emperors children shown (minimum Lucius and the battleline, but no armybox ), rest on new miniature mondays up to a week or two before the boxsets next week preorder

 

This is the one that fits previous "patterns" the most. In fact, if the rumored thing in doubt was anything but corsairs (to wich Im biased postively and thus anticipate pessimistically.) I would bet on this one being what will happen.. gut feeling though is pessimistic. Also, while there are very detailed rumors for the corsairs, wich so far indicated a more imminent release.. there is no boxset rumor at all.

 

Option D -- the total wishlist..or is it? one
-Aeldari corsairs shown, but there is no armybox ( and like spacemarine scouts, jumppack corsairs while presented in a 40k preview will in fact be one side of next kill team box.)
-Imperial knights might or might not be on show.
-Full Emperors children and armybox shown

 

While this is a completely mad one, this one would actually be the one that makes most sense with all the rumors we have had and we hadnt (no corsair armybox rumor)... including potentially the "11th edition is sooner than expected" (because the rush of releases) and the "kill team season of flight/swooping hawk KT" (but misinterpreted) rumor. Like option C it also fits more with previous GW behavior patterns.
And the funniest thing.. it still would be less kits shown than last Grand narritive preview event, so it isnt even that unrealistic. And yet, while objectively more likely than option A, I can only see this as the least likely one.
 

 

ps : 2 march also has a preview event usually, its one of the most patterned ones ( 2 codexes with a solo character each.) this could be ideal for knights & chaos knights.

ps ps : My time wasting on useless analysis, while I could just wait 12 hours is becoming more and more a hobby of its own.

 

ps ps ps : My apologies to anyone who took the effort to read everything.

 

 

 

[skylerboodie]

excuse my ignorance - what does NW stand for? I'm sure it's blindingly obvious, just can't think what it could be. Thanks

 

(Next Week maybe)

[Mogger351]

Honestly even if they show everything the box can't drop for a while due to the sheer.. ahem... chaos, it would cause.

 

It forces them to show their hand on daemons well before any of the 4 God books are actually released, causing panic and damage management. It steps on the toes of the 3+ armies that are infront of them. Releasing it too soon opens the 3rd party or 3d print market to the kits that aren't on sale. Ir also makes it messy/confusing for people in the interim because people will go to potentially buy chaos marines units to get ready that aren't then relevant etc.

 

So I can't see a book being released via a box unless its either immediately before a different chaos army, or imminently before its stand alone release. Given we know guard/eldar won't be all out until end of Feb at earliest, likely end of March, I can't see a box dropping any time inside of 6 weeks.

[LSM]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

...with their general release thus being march, not spring. ( well if its end of march its technically spring.)...

 

An aside, but GW (like many companies) seems to use the meteorological seasons (ie. Spring = March, April, and May) as opposed to the astrological seasons (ie. Spring 2025 = March 20 to June 20). 

[01RTB01]

31 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

 

So I can't see a book being released via a box unless its either immediately before a different chaos army, or imminently before its stand alone release. Given we know guard/eldar won't be all out until end of Feb at earliest, likely end of March, I can't see a box dropping any time inside of 6 weeks.

 

The precedent of books in army boxes is vast. Regardless of the impact elsewhere, the book will be in the box. Besides, Dr. Ian Malcolm will confirm it later I'm sure. 11 hours...

[TheMawr]

51 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

excuse my ignorance - what does NW stand for? I'm sure it's blindingly obvious, just can't think what it could be. Thanks

 

(Next Week maybe)

 

I was so focused on my wall of text I completely forgot to make some notes

Yes, NW preorder is the next week preorder we get on sunday, while a farcry from being the releasedate I usually measure timelines to that (also because I dont know anymore how long actual preorders take.)

 

to make it extra confusing I also use NWO, wich actually makes no sense why I chose that.. I mean the Grand Narrative Open preview shows. I honestly dont know what I was thinking in hindsight with the W. WHDO is warhammer day open early march, to differentiate from the other warhammer day previews wich are on more random dates.

 

[TheMawr]

9 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

An aside, but GW (like many companies) seems to use the meteorological seasons (ie. Spring = March, April, and May) as opposed to the astrological seasons (ie. Spring 2025 = March 20 to June 20). 

 

Thats true, but GW didnt give us spring as a releasedate, the rumors "kind of did" ( I know the dates are less solid in the rumors no worries.)

That line was not meant to call out GW (or Valrak) as wrong if it turns out to be the case, but our own expectation of it being a spring release.

 

Though from what I read you dont mean this correctively/argumentative but rather a non-argumentative "well actually" thing, like I do sometimes (often?) too.

 

 

Times like this I wish I wasnt self employed working from home and had a dayjob to get up early for instead, because I know I will be awake and unnecessarily overanalysing things ( wich I do more the sleepier I get.) until the preview starts at 6 in the morning here

[ZeroWolf]

Just now, TheMawr said:

 

Thats true, but GW didnt give us spring as a releasedate, the rumors "kind of did" ( I know the dates are less solid in the rumors no worries.)

That line was not meant to call out GW (or Valrak) as wrong if it turns out to be the case, but our own expectation of it being a spring release.

 

Though from what I read you dont mean this correctively/argumentative but rather a non-argumentative "well actually" thing, like I do sometimes (often?) too.

 

 

Times like this I wish I wasnt self employed working from home and had a dayjob to get up early for instead, because I know I will be awake and unnecessarily overanalysing things ( wich I do more the sleepier I get.) until the preview starts at 6 in the morning here

Smartly GW don't give firm release dates because of other shenanigans...imagine the kick off if they did and then missed it?

[Garrac]

Still coping hard for slaanesh dedicated cultists. Come on GW, make me happy...

[Mogger351]

51 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

The precedent of books in army boxes is vast. Regardless of the impact elsewhere, the book will be in the box. Besides, Dr. Ian Malcolm will confirm it later I'm sure. 11 hours...

I don't debate that it'll have a book in, I debate that it'll be 2-3 months before the book release.

[Macidious]

58 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I don't debate that it'll have a book in, I debate that it'll be 2-3 months before the book release.

I’m gonna say beginning of April , ec boxset release, any earlier will make me happier

[Garrac]

I know people is tired of the "Valrak said..." phrases, but Valrak said all the chaos legions will drop on spring, if its worth something. Soon we'll know what is going to happen to souped demons...