EC Rumours

[LSM]

Playing catch-up: 

 

8 hours ago, Hathor42 said:

From blurry images, it looks like Lucius lost his ranged attack but gained another close combat weapon, so Lash will do something as extra attacks.

 

Ugh.

 

The man's a walking Doom Siren - that's the original thing that the Armour of Shrieking Souls did. Gave a beefy Invulnerable Save, and acted as a Doom Siren.

 

8 hours ago, Hathor42 said:

I like how the ranged guy with the plasma gun has it up like he's actually going to use the sights which a plasma gun doesn't really have much of lol. 

 

He's holding it close to his face, to better feel the overheat! 

 

7 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

It's not the default mark but the fluff "recently" had it that EC had a preference for mkvi. 

 

 

Recently... in 1991...  (Jes Goodwin's initial '91 Cult Legion sketches noted that DG favour MkIII+II, TS MkIV, WE MkV+VI/VII, and EC MkVI+VII.)

 

2 hours ago, Preliminary Bombardment said:

I actually really like that they’ve gone marine heavy and little bit of lore that the battle line marines think they are the best that marines can be.

 

Differentiates them from the other dedicated legions, that as they are such perfectionists that they keep some legionary tactics even after 10,000 in stark come to how the WE, DG and TS have developed 

 

I like that they've gone marine heavy as well.

 

As someone who favours the (older) approach to the Emperor's Children - that they're only "perfect" in their own minds, and everyone else who looks at them sees a hot mess - I'm glad that in the presentation Alex mentioned that the Tormentors (or is it Infractors?) take on objectives of their own choosing (to the consternation of their commanders). I've previously made comparisons to herding cats when it comes to the Legion, nice to see that element still existing!

 

9 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

I find it largely hilarious that they managed to square the circle of folks wanting all Noise and folks that like their more modern lore...

 

Hehehe, yeah.

 

I think in the end all the earlier conversations helped me adapt to the idea that people largely saw "Noise Marines" as what I'd consider "Noise Marine Havocs", and didn't include things like drugs, swordsmanship, getting possessed, etc. That there was a broad feeling that to be a Noise Marine was to wield a Sonic Blaster. And once I realised that, that I just had an old out-dated definition, everybody was actually (roughly) on the same page.

 

If (old definition) "Noise Champion" Volupus hadn't jobbed to death in the World Eaters codex, his Flickering Blades (old definition) "Noise Marine" warband - who exclusively used melee weapons - could be created via extensive use of Flawless Blades and Infractors (or is it Tormentors?).

 

//

 

Also: perhaps a fun aside. This isn't the first time that the name "Tormentors" has been associated with Slaanesh. Back in 5th edition WHFB, The Tormentors was the name of Dechala the Denied One's warband. (Dechala being the six-armed snake-elf who had special rules for different dances, who was then pseudo-replaced by The Masque.)

 

[Alternis]

I do like how the lash of torment on Lucius is ‘growing’ out the mouths on his shoulder pad lol nice touch

Edited 13 hours ago by Alternis

[TheWarmaster]

2 hours ago, skylerboodie said:

I'm very pleased they went with the blackpink colour palette, instead of blinking and going purple. Also, the variety in the Flawless Blades' build makes them far more different compared to Eightbound vs Exalted Eightbound, imho.

 

Those marines are literally the same pose. Top to bottom row it’s the same legs etc. 

Edited 13 hours ago by TheWarmaster

[Macidious]

I think the thing catching people off with Lucius and same with me is that his colour scheme isn’t as bold as the old one with the tormenting souls looking like warp moulded into the armour which I think is scarier , but I think when people get their hands on him and paint him his old way , people will grow to like him (I love him anyway) very dark he isn’t just a guy with scars over his face he is a deformed monster duelist and the lack of facial form with glowing eye seeing that at the end of a hallway… yeah I’m cooked

1 minute ago, TheWarmaster said:

Those marines are literally the same pose. Top to bottom row it’s the same legs etc. 

they are but the multipart of heads and weapons do make them stand out more 

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, TheWarmaster said:

Those marines are literally the same pose. Too to bottom row it’s the same legs etc. 

 

Yes?

 

They're units of 3, so with 6 of them the legs are gonna repeat.

 

The arms, weapons and heads are where the variety comes from, unlike the compared to Eightbound who are 2 different units in one kit yet look near identical no matter how they're built.

[Macidious]

Anyone know where these bits are from??

[WrathOfTheLion]

There is a nice decal sheet there, I do appreciate that a lot of the line troops allow the use of decals. It should be straightforward to take some standard CSM Legionnaires and add them as some extra Infractors or Tormentors, which will help blend the army with Terminators, etc., give a nice gradation over the army.

[Tokugawa]

2 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

There is a nice decal sheet there, I do appreciate that a lot of the line troops allow the use of decals. It should be straightforward to take some standard CSM Legionnaires and add them as some extra Infractors or Tormentors, which will help blend the army with Terminators, etc., give a nice gradation over the army.

Extra Infractors/Tormentors bits + cheap MKVI bodies = kitbash economics

[Scribe]

Like this more than the WE release by far.

[HeadlessCross]

8 hours ago, INKS said:

Yes they have terminators, they just don't appear to be special or a special unit of them.

bit of a shame, but you have a 8 bound, blade guard type unit i guess.

Sham, because the Terminator kit is awful. 

36 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Yes?

 

They're units of 3, so with 6 of them the legs are gonna repeat.

 

The arms, weapons and heads are where the variety comes from, unlike the compared to Eightbound who are 2 different units in one kit yet look near identical no matter how they're built.

GW had to pretend they gave World Eaters more units somehow. 

[StrangerOrders]

45 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Like this more than the WE release by far.

This is interesting to think about so I did a quick scan for rough comparison of matching kits in terms of scale and functionality (characters, multi-build, etc).

 

Fulgrim = Angron

Infractors/Tormentors = Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound

Noise Marines = Berserkers

Flawless Blades = Jakhals

Lord Exultant = LoJ/Lord Invokatus

Kakophanist = Nada

Lucius = Nada

 

So in the grand scale, EC did better by two chars and that relies on a burst of senility discounting exactly how new Khârn is compared to how long it took Lucius. A more honest discussion is that the Kakophanist is the true outlier.

 

My take is that while the release codexes are honestly about the same size, one probably answers what people wanted/expected far more than the other one. 

 

They are a nice kit but Jakhals are likely only slightly less insulting a release than Tzaangors because outside of edge-cases, no one picks a mono-Legion army to play cultists. Filling out the core marine roles to make the fantasy work should be the priority. I honestly don't think anyone (rational) would be saying WEs got cheated if Jakhals had been replaced with something like 40k!Rampagers or Red Butchers, even if they were scaled down to a 3 man unit like Flawless. 

 

I do think that if the WE 10th release involves any mortals however that will likely be seen as a slap to the face. As will a single character. 

 

But then again, the TS at this point have been slapped around by GW more than by what the Wolves did to Prospero so who knows.

 

As a player, my heart goes out to WE players. As an EC fan, my laughter, comments about not trusting you lot with flamers and implications about your Primarch not being able to read. 

 

Not even sure what to say to TS players... 30k is a pretty fun game? Although thats kind of a Reverse-Flash situation where a beautiful and fairly varied range is countered by having fairly iffy rules... Man, that cyclop's spawn really can't seem to avoid that Monkey's Paw.

Edited 12 hours ago by StrangerOrders

[Scribe]

12 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

As a player, my heart goes out to WE players. As an EC fan, my laughter, comments about not trusting you lot with flamers and implications about your Primarch not being able to read. 

 

I see how it is...

[StrangerOrders]

4 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

I see how it is...

No one threatens the Skalathraxian cocaine supply and is forgiven.

 

No one.

 

Except maybe Khârn, he kinda made up for it with that light show.

Edited 12 hours ago by StrangerOrders

[dalmer]

... and yet World Eaters is up next on the roadmap, so mayhaps they get their "shortcomings" with respects to miniatures, etc.

[Scribe]

12 minutes ago, dalmer said:

... and yet World Eaters is up next on the roadmap, so mayhaps they get their "shortcomings" with respects to miniatures, etc.

 

Hope, first step, road.

[Indy Techwisp]

52 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

This is interesting to think about so I did a quick scan for rough comparison of matching kits in terms of scale and functionality (characters, multi-build, etc).

 

Fulgrim = Angron

Infractors/Tormentors = Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound

Noise Marines = Berserkers

Flawless Blades = Jakhals

Lord Exultant = LoJ/Lord Invokatus

Kakophanist = Nada

Lucius = Nada

 

EC have 1 more unique kit than WE and TSons, interestingly enough (yes we are including Khârn in this).

 

Angron - Fulgrim - Magnus

Khârn - Lucius - Ahriman/Ahriman on Disc

Berserkers - NOISE MARINES - Rubric Marines

Jakhals - Tormentors/Infractors - Nothing

Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound - Flawless Blades - Scarab Occult Terminators

Juggerlord/Lord Invokatus - Lord Exultant - Exalted Sorcerer/ Exalted Sorcerer on Disc

Nothing - Lord Kakophonist - Infernal Master

 

I've arranged these kits to be matched with their closest unique kit counterpart as far as I can tell.

 

In terms of actual unique units, all 3 have 8 currently (I specify unique units here to eliminate units shared with CSM and units ported over from AoS or WHFB).

Edited 11 hours ago by Indy Techwisp

[Grimtooth]

Very happy to see that GW decided to showcase the EC in all their excess and not just that one little “noisy” one. 
 

Good looking model line, so much that I can feel the urge to get into something small while waiting for the SW codex and drop. 

[Macidious]

Ok let’s get down to brass tax, anyone know any eavy metal people that may know or be able to know recipes for these schemes 

[Scribe]

38 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Jakhals - Tormentors/Infractors - Nothing

Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound - Flawless Blades - Scarab Occult Terminators

 

I believe I will see myself out after this, but this right here is my problem with the WE release.

 

Nobody asked for Eightbound. Red Butchers when.

[brother_b]

Wow great looking release! Hope the EC fans are excited. Lucius looks grim and terrifying and that whip is awesome. Looks like whips are a thing for EC.

[Indy Techwisp]

25 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

I believe I will see myself out after this, but this right here is my problem with the WE release.

 

Nobody asked for Eightbound. Red Butchers when.

 

To be fair, TSons don't have a 3-man Elite unit and neither EC or WE have a dedicated Terminator.

They're just "the closest" options.

 

Realistically it would've been:

Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound - Flawless Blades - Nothing

Nothing - Nothing - Scarab Occult Terminators

But I thought that it was too many lines.

[DeadFingers]

2 hours ago, Macidious said:

Anyone know where these bits are from??

The one on the Land Raider looks like the icon this here dude is sporting, so it wouldn't surprise me if the other one is also in the kits somewhere.

[Special Officer Doofy]

9 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

if I was a world eater player looking at my silly possessed or a death guard player looking at my silly tentacle monsters and saw how much better the EC look I’d quit playing.

 

Death Guard player here. Not trading my mouth belly plates, unique vehicles and TWO different terminators for cone headed, tank top wearing sword wielders. People like what they like.

[DarkMark]

Just when I thought I was out...

 

I get the feeling we're seeing a range that's a mixture of HH, 40k, and fantasy. Interesting. The nod to the Slaves To Darkness colour schemes is great. Pastel is back, Baby!

 

The lazy and obvious doubles takes the shine off an awesome release.  7.5/10

[Bouargh]

I am not convinced by the standard marines. I find there are some differences in the final results achieved between the Noise Marines for example that looks great (or even greater) and the more standard marines that are just OK. It is IMHO a reveal with quite uneven models for EC. One can like or not the WE eight bounds but in geeneral I thing Khornates followers show a better overall coherency than EC does.