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[Marshal Loss]

It's occurred to me that Lucius being in the black & silver makes him a wonderful test for emulating the classic Adrian Smith art piece, a great move on the part of the painters:

 

[Macidious]

3 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

It's occurred to me that Lucius being in the black & silver makes him a wonderful test for emulating the classic Adrian Smith art piece, a great move on the part of the painters:

 

 

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Omg… what a great observation , makes me love the model even more 

[Doobles57]

5 hours ago, Craig said:

Will be interesting to see how some of the YouTube content creators can simplify the black and pink scheme. My recipe has at least 3 layers to bring the armour up to the pink from the black.

Colour forge do a bright pink spray. Wondering if priming with that and then blacking out the black will be less painful that the other way. 

[Macidious]

5 hours ago, skylerboodie said:

I think I quite like the pale green accent colour that they've used across the range.

So do I , but idk how they’ve done it so I want to find a good eavy metal recipe for it 

[TheArtilleryman]

10 minutes ago, Doobles57 said:

Colour forge do a bright pink spray. Wondering if priming with that and then blacking out the black will be less painful that the other way. 

I'd spray it pink and highlight/drybrush it then use a couple layers of black ink on the areas you want to darken, including the metal. Depending on how many layers used they would end up black but maybe tinged a bit purpley which would be nice. Then paint in the metal bits.

[LSM]

40 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

It's occurred to me that Lucius being in the black & silver makes him a wonderful test for emulating the classic Adrian Smith art piece...

 

If we're talking Smith's Noise Marine, as noted one of the Flawless' heads is a definite sculpt of it. (And of course the bare arms/midriff and breast-plate. If only they had studded codpieces, and some speakers inlaid anywhere besides the two in their faces...)

 

 

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Another fun detail: the bullish iconography on the one dude's leg (plus the "horns" version of Slaanesh's symbol), and all the stompy hooves. 

 

They also have those unique grenades on them... I really do think Hallucinogen Grenades could be "a thing" for the Third again. (Not seen since RT.) Very generous, handing out party favours...

 

3 hours ago, Grimtooth said:

Very happy to see that GW decided to showcase the EC in all their excess and not just that one little “noisy” one. 

 

Well, you'll be pleased to know that as a major proponent of EC as "the Noise Marine army" I'm 90% thrilled.

 

If you sent pictures of the Tormentors/Infractors back in time twenty years, my response would be that it was awesome to see Noise Marines get such a great kit. I'd only be surprised that they decided to give them a Meltagun/Plasma Gun instead of a couple Sonic Weapons, and I'd have liked to have seen the backpacks be a little more like in that one other Adrian Smith piece:

 

Edited 8 hours ago by LSM

[01RTB01]

48 minutes ago, Bouargh said:

I am not convinced by the standard marines. I find there are some differences in the final results achieved between the Noise Marines for example that looks great (or even greater) and the more standard marines that are just OK. It is IMHO a reveal with quite uneven models for EC. One can like or not the WE eight bounds but in geeneral I thing Khornates followers show a better overall coherency than EC does. 

Joys of opinion, for me the standard marines are better than I'd hoped for.

[Marshal Loss]

13 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

If we're talking Smith's Noise Marine, as noted one of the Flawless' heads is a definite sculpt of it.

 

I'm talking about the colour scheme rather than the sculpt itself - Lucius being in black/silver with his tentaclewhip functioning as the spot colour is basically a 1;1 recreation of the coloured piece. But yeah you're totally right and there are tons of lovely little homages to various art pieces doted throughout. The designers did their research and I'm so happy with the results.

 

Very much looking forward to seeing what the community does with these models as well!

[Macidious]

1 minute ago, Marshal Loss said:

 

I'm talking about the colour scheme rather than the sculpt itself - Lucius being in black/silver with his tentaclewhip functioning as the spot colour is basically a 1;1 recreation of the coloured piece. But yeah you're totally right and there are tons of lovely little homages to various art pieces doted throughout. The designers did their research and I'm so happy with the results.

 

Very much looking forward to seeing what the community does with these models as well!

My goal is to attempt box art , with some twists of my own, idk if anyone knows any pro or eavy metal guys that can find out recipes for fulgrim Lucius and ec in general, would be amazing to share here

[Macidious]

24 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

 

I'm talking about the colour scheme rather than the sculpt itself - Lucius being in black/silver with his tentaclewhip functioning as the spot colour is basically a 1;1 recreation of the coloured piece. But yeah you're totally right and there are tons of lovely little homages to various art pieces doted throughout. The designers did their research and I'm so happy with the results.

 

Very much looking forward to seeing what the community does with these models as well!

Someone interesting I noticed and I guess it’s artist interpretation, is that the model colours, the first art colours and the book colour schemes are all different for fulgrim, either being metallic and gold, purple and gold or pink and gold, it’s nice to see them showing alternatives for him , I’m leaning towards pink and gold so it has a connection to the rest of the army 

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Bouargh said:

I am not convinced by the standard marines. I find there are some differences in the final results achieved between the Noise Marines for example that looks great (or even greater) and the more standard marines that are just OK. It is IMHO a reveal with quite uneven models for EC. One can like or not the WE eight bounds but in geeneral I thing Khornates followers show a better overall coherency than EC does. 

Nah you're correct. They're legit just Mk6 Marines with Slaanesh iconography that have no real "flair" that you would expect from Slaanesh. They're boring as hell. I love GW pretending they're two necessary different datasheets though, so I guess they did their Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound equivalent LOL

[LSM]

A couple notes, which I'm going to jot down to solidify things in my head:

• The new sonic pistols are called Screamer Pistols, the whips are Rupture Lashes, and the spear is a Phoenix Power Spear.
• Nick says that the Lord Exultant has Icon options (though maybe he misspoke - if they made three of them for the house army, you'd have expected one to use the other icon option, if it existed). The Lord Exultant has a once-per-game 'Euphoric Strikes' mode. If their options are like the CSM Chaos Lord it's going to be one <Power Fist, Rupture Lash, or Plasma Pistol> and one <Phoenix Power Spear, Master-Crafted Power Sword, or Screamer Pistol>. They also have what appears to be a Bolt Pistol as default on the back of their hip - meaning that they can go triple pistols! PEW! PEW! PEW! Look out, Cypher - there's a new sheriff in town! (Anyone want to take a bet on if they let this happen, and if they forget to give them a default melee attack profile?)
• Tormentors (or is it Infractors?) have Boltguns, a Meltagun, and a Plasma Gun visible. As well, there are multiple arm options holding what may be Hallucinogen Grenades. They are stated to be OC2, Battleline, with a sticky-Objectives ability, and Infiltrators. The copy notes that their Boltguns are "supremely deadly" [Citation Needed].
• The Infractors (or is it Tormentors?) may have an ability called 'Murderous Orchestra'. (Alex refers to it as "a term in the Codex", but it seems to be a term tied to Infractors...) They are Move 7, Scout, have [Precision] on their Duelling Sabres, and an Icon Bearer.
• (While I've been joking about the one video calling the melee squad Tormentors, the data card image does call the ranged squad the Tormentors.)
• Tormentor/Infractor Champions have combat drug dispensers on their backpacks. (Maybe rules benefit, maybe just fluff?) They seem to have either a Bolt Pistol or Plasma Pistol (so... a Plasma Pistol) and either a Rupture Lash or a Power Sword.
• Lord Kakophonists are basically Noise Marine characters. Due to the heavy emphasis they put on the Kakophonists' Doom Sirens, and the prevalence of Screamer Pistols in the range, I suspect this may be the only Doom Siren left. (Pour one out for the OG Slaaneshi Champion wargear.) Comes with dual Screamer Pistols, or Power Sword and Screamer Pistol. His ability Excessive Enunciation gives Noise Marines [Sustained Hits].
• The Noise Marines are "bigger and tougher" than normal marines, which may just be a reference to being on 40mm bases, but probably means T5 (like a CSM Havoc). Noise Marine Champions are called Disharmonists, and it appears that they might be locked to Shrieker Pistol and Sword (I'd hope that they could take a Sonic Blaster, but we see that the house army has two Disharmonists built, and they apparently have different arm poses for the Shrieker Pistol... so I imagine it's a forced selection... where's my crab-claw Power Fists, GW?). It appears that two Noise Marines can take Blastmasters - but I'm wondering it that's standard per six (of course, I can't imagine why you would want to stay with a Sonic Blaster instead). They also mention the giant speaker backpacks, but not if there are any rules associated with them.
• Lucius now has Lone Operative (though he can still join "units" and is shown leading some Flawless Blades. I'd guess that he can't lead the new Noise Marines, but I'm wondering about Infractors...). The way they talk about him, they seem to be sticking with the "instant possession" rules from the Index. The data card image suggests that the Armour of Shrieking Souls needs a new name, as he has lost his Doom Siren shooting attack. They've made it official lore wise that the souls torment him now (not the other way around), and that his constant failure has driven him insane. The classic "Ornate Sabre" or "Duelist's Sword" is now the Blade of Laer in name (though it looks nothing like the Blade of the Laer has been established to look).
• Flawless Blades wield Blissblades. They "dose themselves with stims" and "accept gifts from daemonic patrons" but have to keep impressing them - resulting in an ability that boosts their deadliness, but if they fail to get any kills then they die. (The blood must flow?) Build wise, there's options for dual blades or single (but I assume this does not have a rules effect).
• Army Rule is Thrill Seekers - giving them Advance/Fall Back and Charge ("with a few restrictions").
• Six detachments in the codex.
• Mentioned in the codex are EC versions of: Terminators, Heldrake, Daemon Prince, Rhino, Land Raider, Spawn, Maulerfiends, and "Slaaneshi daemons". An EC Sorcerer has been seen, so the list is not exhaustive.

Edited 5 hours ago by LSM

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, Macidious said:

Someone interesting I noticed and I guess it’s artist interpretation, is that the model colours, the first art colours and the book colour schemes are all different for fulgrim, either being metallic and gold, purple and gold or pink and gold, it’s nice to see them showing alternatives for him , I’m leaning towards pink and gold so it has a connection to the rest of the army 

The reveal article for fulgrim did mention that his panoply shifts according to his whims. You can't tie down a fashion icon like fulgrim to one scheme.

[Macidious]

12 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

The reveal article for fulgrim did mention that his panoply shifts according to his whims. You can't tie down a fashion icon like fulgrim to one scheme.

Oh wow I didn’t read that, I like it , makes everyone have opportunities to explore colour schemes and it be lore accurate 

[Dr_Ruminahui]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

I love GW pretending they're two necessary different datasheets though, so I guess they did their Eightbound/Exalted Eightbound equivalent LOL

 

Personally, I'm happy that they do this, even if I'm uncertain about the models themselves.  This lets them have a different unit ability focused on what that particular unit does.  This gives added room to have (though certainly doesn't guarantee) units with abilities that benefit their actual weaponry and purpose.  A single datasheet is one reason why no one fields bolter legionaires - their unit ability doesn't benefit that weaponry and role... which is a bit of a shame for such an iconic loadout.

 

Thanks for that summary, LSM - having no desire to watch the entire presentation myself, its very handy.  And I must say that I love your take on the "3-gun" Lord exultant - kind of brings to mind the triple weapon noise marine champions you could take in 8th with sonic blaster, combibolter and doom siren.  As other notes, I wouldn't put any bets on the "supremely deadly" boltguns actually being deadly (let alone supremely so) and that I absolutely adore "Excessive Enunciation" as an EC ability name.

Edited 5 hours ago by Dr_Ruminahui

[01RTB01]

My wife says that they look like a parody of themselves and in baby pink, the posing, very unscary... 

 

Well, I like the pink/ black scheme lol. 

[Orange Knight]

Overall I would say this is the best looking range of all the specific aligned Legions.

 

I think that I still prefer the generic/Black Legion chaos Marines, but these are extremely cool.

 

I think Lucius is incredible. The only named chaos character that I prefer as a model is Abaddon himself (not counting the Primarchs).

 

I think these Marines are the most disturbing looking of the 5 traitor ranges. Kinda slick but also wrong. The paint scheme is very cool, I probably wouldn't change it as they would stand out.

 

And to add to what others have said, I agree that the World Eaters should get another kit - Red Butchers at the very least, or something like them.

[Hathor42]

I hope Tormentors aren't too good because they sound really really good. Infiltrating, OC2, sticky objectives and battleline woo boy. I don't want them to be day one nerfed lol.

[SalamandersBro]

Eidolon had a book recently.  Think we will get a mini soon?

[INKS]

Doesn't look like it but you never know. could be a black library thing

[LSM]

50 minutes ago, SalamandersBro said:

Eidolon had a book recently.  Think we will get a mini soon?

 

It was a 30k book.

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, SalamandersBro said:

Eidolon had a book recently.  Think we will get a mini soon?

Nope. We're done for the foreseeable.

[WrathOfTheLion]

They'll pull Eidolon out of their hat when they want to spice things up a bit, perhaps with a separate paint scheme for his forces. That's a trick they've been pulling in AoS (and a bit in 40k with Creations of Bile, etc.) for a while now, and generally speaking, it seems to work relatively well.