EC Rumours

[Marshal Loss]

11 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

 

The war of the spider is from psychic awakening. Bile stole from Nurgle and Typhus pursued him to get it back. Bile met with The Shriven, who were being pursued by custodes and sisters of silence. Long story short, Bile manipulated all sides into fighting each other while getting most of his own men killed, but he got some custodes and sister of silence test subjects out of it. DG is largely still in tact as a legion as shown during the plague wars. If Nurgle and Typhus don't like you, I doubt the smaller DG warbands would hangout with you. I personally can't see Bile working with the Death Guard, but I can definetly see him working for undivided or EC.

 

In the greater scheme of things that's just another betrayal to add to the list and there have been far more notable ones in the past. The EC and the Black Legion work together post-Harmony and the Legion Wars, the EC and WE will work together post-Skalathrax, I could go on for hours. Not to mention that Typhus & Mortarion are often at loggerheads and there are indisputably different factions and warbands competing for influence in every legion, with the DG being no exception. But this is largely off topic so will just agree to disagree

[Hathor42]

I wouldn't take that traitorous spider anyway Cloning our already perfect primarch and creating an abomination that wants to takes us back to mediocrity. 

[Macidious]

15 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

To settle the Fabius Bile question, is there any datasheet currently that appears in two books (asking this as he's currently in the CSM book and if he were to appear in the EC book then he'd be in two tomes at the same time)

I mean technically when the ec dex is out the slaanesh demons will be in the demon index and ec codex lol 

 

but really yes there is, aeldari will have drukhari datasheets in even though drukhari will still have a codex coming out , same with agents of the imperium have grey knight datasheets I think I maybe wrong and grey knights will be getting a codex , so still possible 

[Marshal Loss]

Another purple photoshop for those interested, credit to philgoblins on the EmperorsChildren subreddit:

 

[TheMawr]

11 minutes ago, Macidious said:

I mean technically when the ec dex is out the slaanesh demons will be in the demon index and ec codex lol 

 

but really yes there is, aeldari will have drukhari datasheets in even though drukhari will still have a codex coming out , same with agents of the imperium have grey knight datasheets I think I maybe wrong and grey knights will be getting a codex , so still possible 

 

I think the reference was to named characters, if he responds in a chaos cult codex I assume he is aware of daemon princes, spawn, daemon engines and tanks doubling up in several codices for a few editions now ;)

 

Named is still a question though, yes for a time (if EC etc also get the named daemons) they will co exist with the index, but thats not really the same as being in two codexes I suppose.

On the other hand the first example of this even potentially happening with the codexes "out" is the Eldar codex, if Ynnari get access to Lelith, though even that unlikely case is still inconclusive as it will be a while before we get the dark eldar codex.. so Actually the first chance we have to really have conclusive evidence is with the EC codex and Fabius bile

 

While AoS does this ( named characters in multiple armies, including keywords.) Im not sure if it happens in 40k.

[Macidious]

10 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

I think the reference was to named characters, if he responds in a chaos cult codex I assume he is aware of daemon princes, spawn, daemon engines and tanks doubling up in several codices for a few editions now ;)

 

Named is still a question though, yes for a time (if EC etc also get the named daemons) they will co exist with the index, but thats not really the same as being in two codexes I suppose.

On the other hand the first example of this even potentially happening with the codexes "out" is the Eldar codex, if Ynnari get access to Lelith, though even that unlikely case is still inconclusive as it will be a while before we get the dark eldar codex.. so Actually the first chance we have to really have conclusive evidence is with the EC codex and Fabius bile

 

While AoS does this ( named characters in multiple armies, including keywords.) Im not sure if it happens in 40k.

Oh my bad, I think Lelith hesperax is gonna be in the aeldari codex and drukhari codex 

[ZeroWolf]

54 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

I think the reference was to named characters, if he responds in a chaos cult codex I assume he is aware of daemon princes, spawn, daemon engines and tanks doubling up in several codices for a few editions now ;)

 

Named is still a question though, yes for a time (if EC etc also get the named daemons) they will co exist with the index, but thats not really the same as being in two codexes I suppose.

On the other hand the first example of this even potentially happening with the codexes "out" is the Eldar codex, if Ynnari get access to Lelith, though even that unlikely case is still inconclusive as it will be a while before we get the dark eldar codex.. so Actually the first chance we have to really have conclusive evidence is with the EC codex and Fabius bile

 

While AoS does this ( named characters in multiple armies, including keywords.) Im not sure if it happens in 40k.

Guess we'll find out two weeks on Saturday for Lelith. I'm still not convinced they'll put Bile in EC though.

[Elazar The Glorified]

Just to add to the Fabius discussion. It really could go either way. Depends how much credence they want to give to the Josh Reynolds trilogy. Don't want to spoil anything for those that haven't read them - also a smidge from Genefather

 

Spoiler

Fabius swears his oath to Fulgrim - open ended as to whether this was to the whole of the pantheon or Slaanesh etc. Guess it doesn't matter but it was a reconciliation of sorts with Fulgrim - in exchange for protecting his New Men and we know Fulgrim wanted to corrupt them so there's plenty of scope that they've had many interactions since then who knows whether any of them were positive though!

 

As for the timeline, whilst it starts with the Shattering of Lugganath, the Fabius who swore his oath to Fulgrim goes into stasis by the end of the trilogy and wakes up at the traditional one minute to midnight / the end times - so it's both loads of time between the trilogy and current 40k lore and no time at all depending on how much they wanted to acknowledge it.

 

That awakened Fabius is the one in Genefather so we know he's active again and that he's been reunited with his New Men

 

I personally reckon that if Fabius is to be able to be in the army he won't have a datasheet in the Emperor's Children codex. It's incredibly rare they do anything like that in 40k. More likely I'd say is a detachment perhaps with a heavy combat stimms and enhanced warriors vibe that lets you add him to the army from Codex Chaos Space Marines. After all, the Codex Chaos Space Marines book is able to take a datasheet from Emperor's Children. That's more in keeping with what we've seen with Imperial Agents, Chaos Space Marines and those Grotmas Detachments that were about bringing friends along.

 

I honestly don't know if it'll happen and could see it going either way - certainly I'll be keeping my Emperor's Children / Creations of Bile mixed force, it just might be over a couple of Codexes.

 

 

What do we reckon the 6 Detachment themes are likely to be, my guess is something like:

 

- Choir of Noise Marines where we see the return of some classic enhancements and stratagem names like Remnant of the Maraviglia and Endless Cacophony.

- The Maru Skara because how could they not, plays with Strategic Reserves with bonuses for the Hidden Blade element of the army when they arrive.

- A Daemonkin-esque detachment with boons for Daemon and Astartes units that are near eachother to help us celebrate the inclusion of our Daemonic allies. Honour the Prince and Loathsome Grace to return in name if not in rules here.

- The Faultless Blades / Cohoes Nasicae to represent Lucius' warband with boons for Flawless Blades (and maybe Terminators too). Distortion and Incessant Disdain in here.

- The aforementioned Combat Stimms Detachment  would imagine this would be a good home for Death Ecstacy and Stimulated by Pain in here. Maybe the option to include Fabius seeing as the Death Guard have stolen all the Apothecaries seemingly lol

- Stumped on a 6th, maybe something like the Phoenix Conclave or some such to tie in to Fulgrim and other Characters

Edited Monday at 10:56 PM by Elazar The Glorified

[Hathor42]

1 hour ago, Marshal Loss said:

Another purple photoshop for those interested, credit to philgoblins on the EmperorsChildren subreddit:

 

Oop I like that although I think I would do silver trim instead of gold. 

[Hathor42]

10 minutes ago, Elazar The Glorified said:

 

 

 

 

- A Daemonkin-esque detachment with boons for Daemon and Astartes units that are near eachother to help us celebrate the inclusion of our Daemonic allies. Honour the Prince and Loathsome Grace to return in name if not in rules here.

 

Ooo i hope the best couple are in the codex so they can go in a detachment like that.

[ZeroWolf]

9 minutes ago, Elazar The Glorified said:

Just to add to the Fabius discussion. It really could go either way. Depends how much credence they want to give to the Josh Reynolds trilogy. Don't want to spoil anything for those that haven't read them - also a smidge from Genefather

 

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Fabius swears his oath to Fulgrim - open ended as to whether this was to the whole of the pantheon or Slaanesh etc. Guess it doesn't matter but it was a reconciliation of sorts with Fulgrim - in exchange for protecting his New Men and we know Fulgrim wanted to corrupt them so there's plenty of scope that they've had many interactions since then who knows whether any of them were positive though!

 

As for the timeline, whilst it starts with the Shattering of Lugganath, the Fabius who swore his oath to Fulgrim goes into stasis by the end of the trilogy and wakes up at the traditional one minute to midnight / the end times - so it's both loads of time between the trilogy and current 40k lore and no time at all depending on how much they wanted to acknowledge it.

 

That awakened Fabius is the one in Genefather so we know he's active again and that he's been reunited with his New Men

 

I personally reckon that if Fabius is to be able to be in the army he won't have a datasheet in the Emperor's Children codex. It's incredibly rare they do anything like that in 40k. More likely I'd say is a detachment perhaps with a heavy combat stimms and enhanced warriors vibe that lets you add him to the army from Codex Chaos Space Marines. After all, the Codex Chaos Space Marines book is able to take a datasheet from Emperor's Children. That's more in keeping with what we've seen with Imperial Agents, Chaos Space Marines and those Grotmas Detachments that were about bringing friends along.

 

I honestly don't know if it'll happen and could see it going either way - certainly I'll be keeping my Emperor's Children / Creations of Bile mixed force, it just might be over a couple of Codexes.

 

 

What do we reckon the 6 Detachment themes are likely to be, my guess is something like:

 

- Choir of Noise Marines where we see the return of some classic enhancements and stratagem names like Remnant of the Maraviglia and Endless Cacophony.

- The Maru Skara because how could they not, plays with Strategic Reserves with bonuses for the Hidden Blade element of the army when they arrive.

- A Daemonkin-esque detachment with boons for Daemon and Astartes units that are near eachother to help us celebrate the inclusion of our Daemonic allies. Honour the Prince and Loathsome Grace to return in name if not in rules here.

- The Faultless Blades / Cohoes Nasicae to represent Lucius' warband with boons for Flawless Blades (and maybe Terminators too). Distortion and Incessant Disdain in here.

- The aforementioned Combat Stimms Detachment  would imagine this would be a good home for Death Ecstacy and Stimulated by Pain in here. Maybe the option to include Fabius seeing as the Death Guard have stolen all the Apothecaries seemingly lol

- Stumped on a 6th, maybe something like the Phoenix Conclave or some such to tie in to Fulgrim and other Characters

Some good thoughts there regarding detachments. I think Fulgrim getting his own personal one could be a good bet, and this Codex could be a blueprint for the other legion books to follow shortly after.

[Hathor42]

I do enjoy that we seem to have the most tactical rocks of any legion/chapter. All of our characters barring Fulgrim are even on two! Tactical rocks hehe. 

[LSM]

4 hours ago, Elazar The Glorified said:

Just to add to the Fabius discussion. It really could go either way. Depends how much credence they want to give to the Josh Reynolds trilogy. Don't want to spoil anything for those that haven't read them - also a smidge from Genefather...

 

"Death of the author" and all that, but some of Josh Reynolds quoted thoughts on bits of that:

 

"Is Fabius a god, or a slave? Or maybe his soul is a poisoned chalice, so to speak - something the Ruinous Powers desire, but will choke them in the end. Fabius didn't trade his soul for power, but to protect his creations from the one thing that would have irredeemably stolen their potential - not the drukhari, but the gods. He gave himself to the gods, and bought his creations time and freedom from corrupting influences, including himself. Maybe they'll waste that time, maybe they won't. And Fabius...well. How long do you think he'll play the good servant? Maybe forever, maybe his story is done.

 

"Or maybe, just maybe, he used his long sleep to think of a way out of this final trap. Could that be why his clones were running around looking for the Emperor's DNA in the Blood Angel books? We'll probably never know."

[Sersi]

22 hours ago, Macidious said:

I think I only have 1 current concern and it isn’t models it’s a rule that was told on the stream that the army rule for them is that they can advance fall back and still charge , “but with a few restrictions” just not a fan of restrictions or “once per battles” like the space marine veterans detachment , it never seems fair when other armies have stuff that lasts all game and are still really good, just makes no sense.

 

But we will have to wait and see what the restrictions are might just be because ec have op combat so it isn’t fair for every unit to advance and charge 

 

like it might be an oath thing where each unit has a challenge where they declare a unit that is their challenger and they can only advance and charge or fall back towards or from that unit 

 

Thinking about this Army Rule restriction, it could just be that advance/fall back and charge doesn't apply to certain units like say Slaaneshi Daemons.

[Macidious]

50 minutes ago, Sersi said:

 

Thinking about this Army Rule restriction, it could just be that advance/fall back and charge doesn't apply to certain units like say Slaaneshi Daemons.

I think it’ll be you choose a certain amount of units to get it depending on how many points your game is. 
 

but who knows as long as it isn’t a unfair restriction like if it’s once per battle or only 1 unit 

[Marshal Loss]

Another couple more from philgoblins:

 

[ZeroWolf]

The purple looks good for the flawless blades

[Macidious]

1 hour ago, Marshal Loss said:

Another couple more from philgoblins:

 

 

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If anyone is able to do some edits like this , would you be able to edit the fulgrim model to have pink armour panels the same colour as the rest of the ec , just like it looks on fulgrims new book 

[HeadlessCross]

11 hours ago, Hathor42 said:

I needs rules leaks! Come on leakers get in there lol. 

Those old rogue trader rules for the noise marines are funny.  The master blasts a vehicle so hard he reaches completion and falls asleep lol. 

I'm most interested in the rules themselves as well. My Marines will be ran as whatever I feel like, so I have to know if there will be more interesting ways to construct Marine armies. 

 

The Index for World Eaters and Thousand Sons are boring as hell due to making their Primarchs basically mandatory for their army rules to be better or function, and Death Guard ended getting theirs for so cheap it feels dumb not to write a list and include him. I have a feeling GW is gonna make Fulgrim mandatory in some manner and that feeling just sucks. 

[Antarius]

On 1/19/2025 at 12:02 PM, Preliminary Bombardment said:

One thing I’d really like is an apothecary equivalent. The ECs were supposed to have more than the other legions (due to the blight) and it would be cool to see this carried over into a hero character. The DG have a number of these buffing/ nerfing characters, a corrupted apothecary doing all the unnecessary surgery would be cool 

Yeah. And to add to that; their apothecaries were instrumental in turning them into the physically modified horrors they became. So, while Bile is obviously already out there sort of covering the "mad scientist" market in the setting, I still think EC could stand to have have a corrupted "fleshcrafter" or "drug pusher"-style apothecary.

[ZeroWolf]

Such a thing is a likely candidate for something they'd get in three years, like how World Eaters are now rumoured to get Red Butchers

[Macidious]

14 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

Another purple photoshop for those interested, credit to philgoblins on the EmperorsChildren subreddit:

 

How do people do these edits and do them so well 

[Macidious]

some pink armour for ya 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

Nice minis although they will be a pain in the butt to paint. However according to rumours EC players like just that. 

[Alternis]

God emperor on the throne they look good with purple and gold trim, not a fan of the pink, but the purple? YES