EC Rumours

[Macidious]

7 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

Imperial Fists: liked fighting honour duels, bore duelling scars on their faces, and are the masochists that created and enjoy utilising the Pain Glove.

 

Just fall to Slaanesh already. ;P

 

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Vis-à-vis detachments, I broadly agree with folks here.

1. Fulgrim centred
2. Lucius/Flawless Blades themed. [Note that while a lot of people will call his warband The Cohors Nasicae, at the end of Lucius: The Faultless Blade Lucius declares that the Cohors Nasicae is dead, and his new, larger warband will be called his Faultless.)
3. NOISE
4. Combat Drugs detachment (please)
5. Daemonkin integration
6. Pure Daemon? (If Codex: Chaos Daemons is going away, a detachment that forbids Mortals and maybe even allows daemon allies from other books? Though the Grotmas detachment makes this unneeded, I suppose...)

I had previously mentioned that I'd like to see a Detachment where Chaos Lords become <Battleline>. Thanks to the Flawless Blades, I'll have somewhere to use some of my old Lords ('cause I'm definitely building three new Lords Exultant), Dark Apostle, and Master of Possession. But I still think that could be neat, maybe in a Fulgrim-y/hero-hammer set-up.

 

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Vis-à-vis the restrictions on Thrill Seekers: excluding vehicles seems the most sensible. (In the IA list, 'Preds, Havocs, and Land Raiders were 0-1 choices because the Emperor's Children disliked the ignobility of being stuck driving a tank or firing guns that weren't Sonic.) Maybe "Vehicles that aren't Walkers", so that Helbrutes, Defilers, and 'Fiends can still benefit.

 

I hope the sonic one lets noise marines become Battleline, so I can have 36 noise marines instead of 18 lol 

 

but sadly would only have 3 units with a lord kakophonist 

[LSM]

9 minutes ago, Macidious said:

I hope the sonic one lets noise marines become Battleline, so I can have 36 noise marines instead of 18 lol 

 

but sadly would only have 3 units with a lord kakophonist 

 

"Luckily" I'll be able to run most of my existing Noise Marines as Infractors.

 

(I'm thinking of not rebasing my handful of old Sonic Blaster guys, and just running them as a squad of Tormentors. The new Sonic Blasters seem significantly bigger, to the point where there shouldn't be any confusion.)

[01RTB01]

26 minutes ago, Macidious said:

I hope the sonic one lets noise marines become Battleline, so I can have 36 noise marines instead of 18 lol 

 

but sadly would only have 3 units with a lord kakophonist 

I was just wondering the same. I'm also hoping they can be run as 12s and not just 6s. However, I'm not getting my hopes up there.

 

Sonic battle line would be nice though.

[Macidious]

1 hour ago, 01RTB01 said:

I was just wondering the same. I'm also hoping they can be run as 12s and not just 6s. However, I'm not getting my hopes up there.

 

Sonic battle line would be nice though.

Yeah I don’t think they’ll be 12 , cause they said they’re havoc equivalent and they’re only 5s , so 6 man squads will probably the only size 

[Marshal Loss]

Yeah I really do hope we're able to get battleline on Noise Marines - whether through a detachment or as a simple concession to the army because they've historically been our 'troops' option. Sonic weaponry was always the most iconic part of the Emperor's Children for me and the introduction of Tormentors/Infractors won't change that, and I'd love to flood the board with them, but we'll see how it plays out.

 

Noise Marines being fewer in number but far more powerful is also be cool as a nod to the lore though, so long as their rules are solid. I want people to be scared of them. So there's pros and cons either way, and I'm happy to be able to take them as 6 man units again.

 

Worst case at least I can spam them (ineffectively) with my 3rd Company Elite 10,000 years earlier.

[Indy Techwisp]

2 hours ago, LSM said:

 

Imperial Fists: liked fighting honour duels, bore duelling scars on their faces, and are the masochists that created and enjoy utilising the Pain Glove.

 

Just fall to Slaanesh already. ;P

 

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Vis-à-vis detachments, I broadly agree with folks here.

1. Fulgrim centred
2. Lucius/Flawless Blades themed. [Note that while a lot of people will call his warband The Cohors Nasicae, at the end of Lucius: The Faultless Blade Lucius declares that the Cohors Nasicae is dead, and his new, larger warband will be called his Faultless.)
3. NOISE
4. Combat Drugs detachment (please)
5. Daemonkin integration
6. Pure Daemon? (If Codex: Chaos Daemons is going away, a detachment that forbids Mortals and maybe even allows daemon allies from other books? Though the Grotmas detachment makes this unneeded, I suppose...)

I had previously mentioned that I'd like to see a Detachment where Chaos Lords become <Battleline>. Thanks to the Flawless Blades, I'll have somewhere to use some of my old Lords ('cause I'm definitely building three new Lords Exultant), Dark Apostle, and Master of Possession. But I still think that could be neat, maybe in a Fulgrim-y/hero-hammer set-up.

 

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Vis-à-vis the restrictions on Thrill Seekers: excluding vehicles seems the most sensible. (In the IA list, 'Preds, Havocs, and Land Raiders were 0-1 choices because the Emperor's Children disliked the ignobility of being stuck driving a tank or firing guns that weren't Sonic.) Maybe "Vehicles that aren't Walkers", so that Helbrutes, Defilers, and 'Fiends can still benefit.

 

 

Re: Detachments.
I've got some thoughts.

 

Firstly: Daemon Detachment.
Looking at how Ynnari/Harlequins work for Aeldari, we may be in a situation where Daemons are just... allies sharing the same codex like how Ynnari don't have the Aeldari faction keyword.

If so, there may not be a Daemon Detachment 'cause you can just use the Grotmas one since assumedly they'd have the Slaanesh keyword and Legions Daemonica faction keyword still.

If they do need a native Daemon detachment tho, I'm not sure how they'd really make it different from the Slaanesh Grotmas detachment (Keeper of Secrets monster mash or Chariot spam maybe?)

 

For other detachments, I really doubt any of the Cult Marines will have more than 5 total (excluding Grotmas).

Since EC are new, they don't have a "locked in" Index detachment to worry about, but they may still have a detachment locked to Daemons (as referenced above).

I'll be working off the assumption that EC will have 5 detachments:

1. "Fulgrim's Party Planet"
   I've got a personal prediction that all the cult Legions are gonna get a "Primarch and Daemonkin" detachment like WE's "Disciples of the Red Angel" army from 9th. Even tho they are explicitly not possessed I predict that Flawless Blades will be focused on here too, if only because of their similarity to Eightbound (Expect "Exalted Sixbound" jokes to never die). Since Slaaneshi Daemons are very melee focused, along with Flawless Blades and seemingly Fulgrim himself (he will probably have a Psychic Gun too) this is also probably going to be one of a few Melee/Charge detachments.
    
2. "This Silence Offends Slaanesh"
   So Noise Marines are now basically EC Havocs (mechanically at least), so... shooting detachment. Yeah. Focus on Noise Marines, Tormentors (they're the shooty ones, right?) and Lord Kakaphonist. Probably strategem or something for Noise Marines and the Lord Kakaphonist to get Torrent on the Sonic weapons if they don't have it already ('cause "Sound Waves" or something).
    
3. "Pride of the Perfect Legion"
   Behold: Terminator detachment. Yes, they're Generic, but we can expand this into an "elites" detachment just fine. So Terminators and Flawless Blades. Maybe Noise Marines also, if we're considering them "Elite" now. Either way, some method of teleporting, something to make your elite infantry tankier and I wouldn't put it past GW to just give EC the Psudeo-OoM from the CSM Veterans of the Long War detachment.
    
4. "This is your legion on Drugs"
   Flawless Blades, Lord Exultants and Infractors. Another Melee/Charge detachment pretty much, just this one can be drug themed rather than Daemonkin or Elite themed. Not really much else to say for this other than if EC had an Index this edition this one would be their Index Detachment.
    
5. "Orks are wrong. Pink goes faster"
   This is the detachment I'm least confident in, so if EC do get a native Daemons detachment I expect it to replace whatever this is. Simply put, EC Vehicle Detachment. Yeah yeah, I know EC dislike Tonks and lack Bikes (as far as we can tell atm), but Rhino go Vroom and EC ripping of White Scars and making their vehicles go fast just to Spite the sons of the Khan. Just imagine your standard Marine Vehicle detachment then tune it to make everything go as fast as it possibly can.
   
   
   Regarding the restrictions on "Thrill Seekers".
   Imagine if it's "You can only Advance if you finish the move closer to the nearest enemy" or something...
   Realistically tho, I expect it to not apply to the Slaaneshi Daemons.

[LSM]

5 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

...I'll be working off the assumption that EC will have 5 detachments...

 

They said six in the LVO Preview.

[Indy Techwisp]

9 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

They said six in the LVO Preview.

 

They did?
I missed that then.
Uhhhh....

IDK, Psychic Detachment?
I feel EC could have one, being the 2nd biggest users of Psychic behind TSons

[Macidious]

just noticed the background of the codex that there’s a noise marine with a doom siren, maybe there will be a doom siren option after all?? Or maybe it’s a lord kakophonist with a doom siren but with an option to have a sonic blaster??

[TheMawr]

13 minutes ago, Macidious said:

just noticed the background of the codex that there’s a noise marine with a doom siren, maybe there will be a doom siren option after all?? Or maybe it’s a lord kakophonist with a doom siren but with an option to have a sonic blaster??

 

This particular artist takes a lot of creative liberties, there is more of his artwork that does not match any miniature than wich does ( i do love his style though, and the fact its not 1 to 1 with miniatures  .. its probably heresy to say but its very blanche but-of-of-this-millennium/era ish  )

[ZeroWolf]

9 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

This particular artist takes a lot of creative liberties, there is more of his artwork that does not match any miniature than wich does ( i do love his style though, and the fact its not 1 to 1 with miniatures  .. its probably heresy to say but its very blanche but-of-of-this-millennium/era ish  )

Also creates perfect fodder for future models to come from once GW exhausts the obvious 

[Hathor42]

I wonder if they'll bring back the old rule of summoning demons closer with icons. 

[Hathor42]

Alright the sun goblins are out of the way lets go EC box next week! lol. Will probably be the guard instead though then EC box the week after, but I can hope! 

[TheHaplessHeretic]

Apart from the guard main release and some HH kits, are there any older reveals that need to go on preorder?

[01RTB01]

39 minutes ago, TheHaplessHeretic said:

Apart from the guard main release and some HH kits, are there any older reveals that need to go on preorder?

Apart from the large bot, the heresy previews are released - last was the dededeo and some auxilia tanks and the arvus.

 

There's new necromunda stuff but that was same preview as the EC

[Hathor42]

I don't think there's anything else except high elves for old world. They were revealed at the same time though so it's a toss up and who will be first. 

On another note I'm excited to see what the special rules will be for the helbrute and demon engines as they're different for each chaos book so far. 

Edited Monday at 12:23 AM by Hathor42

[Marshal Loss]

I've seen comments floating around indicating that influencers have received their EC boxes - no idea if that's true, but if so then it can't be far as they don't tend to get a lot of time with them. 8th of Feb preorder looking plausible if they're prepared to have the EC box either precede or accompany the individual Krieg kits.

 

Time to put my kidney up on eBay

[Hathor42]

I'm excited for the first TT battle report because you know Lawrence is going to want to play EC. I just wonder who the opponent will be? probably Eldar which is a good test. 

Edited Monday at 03:29 AM by Hathor42

[01RTB01]

46 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

I've seen comments floating around indicating that influencers have received their EC boxes - no idea if that's true, but if so then it can't be far as they don't tend to get a lot of time with them. 8th of Feb preorder looking plausible if they're prepared to have the EC box either precede or accompany the individual Krieg kits.

 

Time to put my kidney up on eBay

I saw a comment that an influencer video had erroneously gone up and subsequently deleted. That would suggest they're in the wild.

 

I'm hammering through commission painting and trying to sell some armies to fund this.

[INKS]

Yeah they are in the wild, some have hinted they have them already. My guess would be a few weeks and we'll see them. sometimes GW gives them a good lead but not usually.

[TheHaplessHeretic]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Apart from the large bot, the heresy previews are released - last was the dededeo and some auxilia tanks and the arvus.

 

There's new necromunda stuff but that was same preview as the EC

We still have the consuls and the Warsmith left. Bar the Heresy Thursday reveals, I don't think they have anything else to stick on pre-order save the regular guard stuff. I don't think any of the LVO reveals will be out before EC.

[01RTB01]

33 minutes ago, TheHaplessHeretic said:

We still have the consuls and the Warsmith left. Bar the Heresy Thursday reveals, I don't think they have anything else to stick on pre-order save the regular guard stuff. I don't think any of the LVO reveals will be out before EC.

The consuls and warsmith can be bundled with other stuff, not large enough to warrant a full week to themselves.

 

If the EC box is to be released in Feb we need to see it this coming Sunday. I'd be surprised but I also didn't expect EC in the first quarter of this year lol.

[Macidious]

4 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

I saw a comment that an influencer video had erroneously gone up and subsequently deleted. That would suggest they're in the wild.

 

I'm hammering through commission painting and trying to sell some armies to fund this.

I hope they’re in the wild, maybe someone wants to show some datasheets lol

[Vardus]

4 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

If the EC box is to be released in Feb we need to see it this coming Sunday. I'd be surprised but I also didn't expect EC in the first quarter of this year lol.

 

Don't forget released in GW speak is pre-order is released, so the 22nd of Feb is a viable date!

 

Not that I'm expecting that late a release, just saying that is all.

 

(turns sonic receptors up to overload to revel in the howls of despair and pain)

[skylerboodie]

This is what is left from pre-LVO reveals:

 

Product	Faction	Range	Announced
Caster of Runes	Space Wolves	The Horus Heresy	28/11/2024
Iron Warriors Warsmith	Iron Warriors	The Horus Heresy	05/12/2024
Iron Warriors Warsmith (Warhammer World Exclusive)	Iron Warriors	The Horus Heresy	05/12/2024
Iron Hands Legion Praetor	Iron Hands	The Horus Heresy	12/12/2024
Loyalist Legion Overseer	Space Marines	The Horus Heresy	19/12/2024
Traitor Legion Overseer	Space Marines	The Horus Heresy	02/01/2025
Loyalist Herald Consul	Space Marines	The Horus Heresy	09/01/2025
Traitor Herald Consul	Space Marines	The Horus Heresy	16/01/2025
Lord Marshal Varnan Dreir (solo release)	Astra Militarum	W40K	22/11/2024
Death Riders (solo release)	Astra Militarum	W40K	22/11/2024
Combat Engineers (solo release)	Astra Militarum	W40K	22/11/2024
Krieg Artillery Team (solo release)	Astra Militarum	W40K	22/11/2024
Krieg Command Squad	Astra Militarum	W40K	22/11/2024
Krieg Heavy Support Squads	Astra Militarum	W40K	22/11/2024
Codex: Astra Militarum (solo release)	Astra Militarum	W40K	29/08/2024
Combat Patrol: Astra Militarum	Astra Militarum	W40K	22/11/2024
Codex: Imperial Knights	Imperial Knights	W40K	29/08/2024
Fulgrim, Daemon Primarch of Slaanesh	Emperor's Children	W40K	25/12/2024
Silberlant Sevos, Whisper Merchant	House Van Saar	Necromunda	04/11/2024
Destruction Battletome: Gloomspite Gitz (solo release)	Gloomspite Gitz	Age of Sigmar	29/08/2024
Droggz da Sunchompa (solo release)	Gloomspite Gitz	Age of Sigmar	22/11/2024
Snarlpack Cavalry (solo release)	Gloomspite Gitz	Age of Sigmar	22/11/2024
Sunsteala Wheelas	Gloomspite Gitz	Age of Sigmar	22/11/2024
Doom Diver Catapult	Gloomspite Gitz	Age of Sigmar	22/11/2024
Snarlboss ¦ Frazzlegit Shaman on War-wheela	Gloomspite Gitz	Age of Sigmar	22/11/2024
Faction: High Elves	High Elf Realms	Old World	29/08/2024
Harald Gemunsen, Grand Master of the Knights Panther (old)	Empire of Man	Old World	16/12/2024
Hèra, Daughter of Helm [mounted & on foot]	<goodies>	MESBG	13/12/2024