EC Rumours

[Nephaston]

What do you mean? Corridors have always been this big! This is 40k! Everything is always bigger! /s

 

While we are wishlisting though, a good way to get a bigger chaos dread/helbrute would be a kit based on the leviathan, all trimmed up and some meat bits here and there. Maybe even an optional fleshy cockpit for some form of exalted helbrute.

Or maybe a conteptor derivative, which is the same width(ish) as the helbrute/castraferrum but a smidge taller (and maybe some of those fancy shmancy weapon options)

[ZeroWolf]

I think we'll get a new defiler eventually, hopefully with upgrade sprues to make it god specific

[Macidious]

2 hours ago, Macidious said:

If these were a little bigger I’d use them as hellbrutes and turn them into baby subjugators 

damn if they were bigger 

[Special Officer Doofy]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

I'm not sure we need a new Helbrute. The current model's biggest flaw is that it's a Helbrute and not a Chaos Dreadnought; it's really not a terrible kit. I get it's smaller than the Redemptor but A: the Redemptor IMO is too big (remember, the Castraferrum was in-universe designed as smaller than previous Dreadnoughts to be able to get through denser terrain and Zone Mortalis operations that bigger Dreadnoughts would struggle with, something Cawl obviously forgot) and B: Chaos Space Marines already have quite a few larger daemon engines, a bigger Helbrute would be kinda redundant. I'd rather we got a refresh of the old Defiler for a bigger walker kit.

 

Chaos space marines might. Death guard don't. The helbrute would benefit 5 codexes, just like a new chaos predator, rhino and land raider would. And the defiler is one of the worst kits GW ever made (my opinion), no thanks. It already has a ridiculous footprint for a sub 200 point model.

[Wormwoods]

A modern Defiler sculpt could be incredible, though. It's a Big, Dumb Monster (tank), GW has done some good ones of those recently. Would make the 'all the chaos tanks are way more obviously demons' transition pretty easily. 

[Mogger351]

The box is up on Ebay as preorders, shipping 1st March so says the scalper.

[Macidious]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

The box is up on Ebay as preorders, shipping 1st March so says the scalper.

Well we should ask them for codex datasheets lol only useful thing a scalper will be used for 

[Evil Eye]

28 minutes ago, Wormwoods said:

A modern Defiler sculpt could be incredible, though. It's a Big, Dumb Monster (tank), GW has done some good ones of those recently. Would make the 'all the chaos tanks are way more obviously demons' transition pretty easily. 

This is my thought. The Defiler is an iconic unit (thanks Dawn of War! Ka-thunk, ka-thunk, ka-thunk) and the design is great- it just needs a better executed kit with nicer details, crisper molding and a tiny bit of redesigning to fit better with modern CSM designs. To be honest the main thing I don't like on the kit aesthetically is the additional CCW part, I get they were going for a spinning multi-headed flail but it just doesn't work. I'd also be tempted to redo the "hips" as at present they're too obviously just balljoints with no means of actuation. Some more options would be nice too; give an option to replace the battle cannon with something else (maybe steal and Chaosify some of the Leman Russ variant guns?) and some different side-guns.

 

It's a similar story to the Falcon, though granted the Falcon's design is literally perfect (aside from maybe the pilots?), it just needs sharper molding on the details, a bit more parts-breakup (primarily to reduce warping on the currently very large main hull upper-shell) and for the huge amount of empty sprue space to be filled with more options.

[Evil Eye]

45 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

 

Chaos space marines might. Death guard don't. The helbrute would benefit 5 codexes, just like a new chaos predator, rhino and land raider would. And the defiler is one of the worst kits GW ever made (my opinion), no thanks. It already has a ridiculous footprint for a sub 200 point model.

To be real I think that's a rules problem more than a model problem. Also the Death Guard already have a few dedicated daemon engines- a big one would be cool, maybe a canonization of Maxime Pastourel's awesome mega-blight-drone Heldrake counts-as he made from an Ork jet as a "plague bomber".

 

The Land Raider could definitely do with an upgrade as the kit is not great to put together, and Space Marine players would benefit too. The Predator and Rhino kits are fine though, considering their age they fit together nicely and do everything they need to. I'd actually rather GW made a more up-to-date Chaos vehicle upgrade sprue with more stuff and better sculpting on said stuff, rather than Chaosifying the base kit. Aside from anything else, that way people who want less ostentatious Chaos iconography on their tanks aren't going to remove it, whereas people that do want lots of bling can just put it on the kit. That said, for any Chaos Land Raiders I do in future I'll be desecrating the Proteus kit, built with the loadout that matches the modern-day LR, as it's a modern kit that doesn't have the plethora of issues of the other one, it'd be fitting for the forces of Chaos to still be running their now-thoroughly-ancient tanks and I'd find it hard to believe anyone would have an issue with running it as a regular LR, even in 10th.

[Special Officer Doofy]

1 minute ago, Evil Eye said:

To be real I think that's a rules problem more than a model problem. Also the Death Guard already have a few dedicated daemon engines- a big one would be cool, maybe a canonization of Maxime Pastourel's awesome mega-blight-drone Heldrake counts-as he made from an Ork jet as a "plague bomber".

 

The Land Raider could definitely do with an upgrade as the kit is not great to put together, and Space Marine players would benefit too. The Predator and Rhino kits are fine though, considering their age they fit together nicely and do everything they need to. I'd actually rather GW made a more up-to-date Chaos vehicle upgrade sprue with more stuff and better sculpting on said stuff, rather than Chaosifying the base kit. Aside from anything else, that way people who want less ostentatious Chaos iconography on their tanks aren't going to remove it, whereas people that do want lots of bling can just put it on the kit. That said, for any Chaos Land Raiders I do in future I'll be desecrating the Proteus kit, built with the loadout that matches the modern-day LR, as it's a modern kit that doesn't have the plethora of issues of the other one, it'd be fitting for the forces of Chaos to still be running their now-thoroughly-ancient tanks and I'd find it hard to believe anyone would have an issue with running it as a regular LR, even in 10th.

 

I mean sure, rules only last until they change them. They could fix/beef it up. The whole crab legs thing for me is the hard sell. Never cared for it in the slightest. Looks good on a dunecrawler, not so much the defiler. Again, obviously my opinion, but one that others do share. I've seen a lot of defiler / soul grinder hate over the years. I personally don't think the Chaos vehicles even look good with newer base chaos space marines, let alone any of the cults. I won't buy them for my death guard, they stand out and are clearly 20+ year old kits that are just the loyalist ones with a spike and trim sprue.

 

I feel like the rhino aged better than the predator and land raider. Maybe newer and better upgrade sprues could change my mind. Someone pointed out to me somewhat recently that the newer sister's rhino is the old chassis with a new sprue or two. Might do the trick. I feel like chaos vehicles should look more damaged. The three death guard daemon engines all look amazing and are weathered and damaged with bullet holes, dents, scratch marks and the like. Looks cool.

[Redcomet]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

The box is up on Ebay as preorders, shipping 1st March so says the scalper.

Report him. It is not allowed to sell pre orders on ebay

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Macidious said:

Well we should ask them for codex datasheets lol only useful thing a scalper will be used for 

They won't have them in hand yet.

[Macidious]

2 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

They won't have them in hand yet.

Yeah I know *sad face haha, just need to be a bit more patient , if the box is announced this Sunday rules will be flowing next week so not too long to wait 

[ZeroWolf]

Yeah, that listing is a scalper who is hoping to get a preorder locked in (might already have a deal with a flgs) then off load everything for profit.

[Mogger351]

2 hours ago, Redcomet said:

Report him. It is not allowed to sell pre orders on ebay

This sadly isn't true:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252

 

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Presale listings must clearly state that they are "presale" in the title and description, and guarantee postage within 40 business days of purchase.

 

In order to protect buyer and seller guarantees, presale listings must follow eBay policy, including listing the date the item will be available to post.

 

What is the policy?

 

1. Presale listings must guarantee that the item will be posted within 40 business days of purchase
2. The date the item will be available to post must be clearly stated in the listing
3. Listings must clearly indicate in the title and description that the item is being offered for presale
4. Handling time details should include the time it will take the seller to acquire the item, in addition to the time it will take the seller to deliver the package to the postal carrier

 

 

This complies:

Edited Wednesday at 04:39 PM by Mogger351

[01RTB01]

7 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

This sadly isn't true:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252

 

 

 

This complies:

To be fair, the price looks ok, however, 30 set?...

 

 

[shabadoit]

The listing is purposefully misleading - it's 10 infractors and 6 noise marines. So less than half of what is in the box.

[01RTB01]

19 minutes ago, shabadoit said:

The listing is purposefully misleading - it's 10 infractors and 6 noise marines. So less than half of what is in the box.

Oooh, that I hadn't seen. That's totally out of order.

[skylerboodie]

1 hour ago, shabadoit said:

The listing is purposefully misleading - it's 10 infractors and 6 noise marines. So less than half of what is in the box.

If it had just said infractors and noise marines army box set then yes, but it has pretty clearly stated the number of each, right in the title, so I don't think that's particularly misleading, let alone purposefully. Imho.

[Macidious]

6 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

If it had just said infractors and noise marines army box set then yes, but it has pretty clearly stated the number of each, right in the title, so I don't think that's particularly misleading, let alone purposefully. Imho.

Yeah , still insane trying to sell half of an unreleased box for the same price as a full box is crazy work haha

[INKS]

what is sad is that they won't make enough, it will be sold out for months and it will drive customers to these resellers. can't stand that

 

EDIT to make it worse, some people won't be able to get 1 and this person is going to get 30 of them

Edited Wednesday at 06:57 PM by INKS

[TheMawr]

3 minutes ago, INKS said:

what is sad is that they won't make enough, it will be sold out for months and it will drive customers to these resellers. can't stand that

 

EDIT to make it worse, some people won't be able to get 1 and this person is going to get 30 of them

 

15, but it doesnt change how bad such a situation is

[Rain]

EC seems like a really niche army to scalp. Going to be funny when scalpers are still stuck with unsold kits in August that they have to offload at a loss. Obviously sucks for the players having to deal with this nonsense in the meantime. Parasitic resellers are apparently the bane of everything from Porsches to little plastic perverts.

[Macidious]

13 minutes ago, Rain said:

EC seems like a really niche army to scalp. Going to be funny when scalpers are still stuck with unsold kits in August that they have to offload at a loss. Obviously sucks for the players having to deal with this nonsense in the meantime. Parasitic resellers are apparently the bane of everything from Porsches to little plastic perverts.

Nah new model syndrome is strong , I’ve seen loads of sell posts of people snatching the krieg box and then after a week going actually nah I’m going , people are scared of missing out 

[Rain]

41 minutes ago, Macidious said:

Nah new model syndrome is strong , I’ve seen loads of sell posts of people snatching the krieg box and then after a week going actually nah I’m going , people are scared of missing out 

 

Yeah, but if you're just buying out of some kind of weird addiction and never actually build the models or play the army, maybe not getting the models that you don't actually need or plan to do anything with is not the worst outcome 

 

I see your point though. These kinds of people are a scalper's best friend.