EC Rumours

[Macidious]

23 minutes ago, Rain said:

 

Yeah, but if you're just buying out of some kind of weird addiction and never actually build the models or play the army, maybe not getting the models that you don't actually need or plan to do anything with is not the worst outcome 

 

I see your point though. These kinds of people are a scalper's best friend.

Yeah the sad truth, and people that have been waiting years for this moment or even new people joining the hobby and seeing these for the first time and this being a good welcome box may not be able to get one , I’m hoping my lgs will have one for me 

[INKS]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

15, but it doesnt change how bad such a situation is

the one I clicked on said 30, but fair enough. I know in some places it might not be that hard to get. I know people with 2-3 Krieg boxes and I couldn't get 1. lol Just wish they made to order or kept doing them in waves or something. seems like if you don't get it on pre order day you have to wait months which leads people to these scalpers who then make lots of money selling a product I would just rather buy locally or at WORST from GW. Just dislike scalpers and resellers like this. my apologies.

1 hour ago, Macidious said:

Nah new model syndrome is strong , I’ve seen loads of sell posts of people snatching the krieg box and then after a week going actually nah I’m going , people are scared of missing out 

Won't lie. I had very little interest in EC. But the models looks awesome. And it looks like it's going to be a good mix of melee army and some ranged fire power. that is exciting.

[ZeroWolf]

29 minutes ago, INKS said:

the one I clicked on said 30, but fair enough. I know in some places it might not be that hard to get. I know people with 2-3 Krieg boxes and I couldn't get 1. lol Just wish they made to order or kept doing them in waves or something. seems like if you don't get it on pre order day you have to wait months which leads people to these scalpers who then make lots of money selling a product I would just rather buy locally or at WORST from GW. Just dislike scalpers and resellers like this. my apologies.

Won't lie. I had very little interest in EC. But the models looks awesome. And it looks like it's going to be a good mix of melee army and some ranged fire power. that is exciting.

They said 15 because the person selling is halving each box.

[INKS]

4 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

They said 15 because the person selling is halving each box.

ah ok. i understand

[HeadlessCross]

Page 69.......that's gonna be our lucky number to start posting leaks!

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, INKS said:

the one I clicked on said 30, but fair enough. I know in some places it might not be that hard to get. I know people with 2-3 Krieg boxes and I couldn't get 1. lol Just wish they made to order or kept doing them in waves or something. seems like if you don't get it on pre order day you have to wait months which leads people to these scalpers who then make lots of money selling a product I would just rather buy locally or at WORST from GW. Just dislike scalpers and resellers like this. my apologies.

Won't lie. I had very little interest in EC. But the models looks awesome. And it looks like it's going to be a good mix of melee army and some ranged fire power. that is exciting.

 

No, my apologies instead, when I tried to edit it as I thought my post was rather abruptish and could be conceived as slightly rude it somehow didnt let me do anything. ( strange enough it wasnt a B&C thing, I couldnt type responses in reddit either for a bit, getting a message that I was offline.. but I could refresh and read posts everywhere just fine.)

 

And I get the situation, I was almost relieved when the rumored corsairs werent there yet after the 4 months drought and I definitely hope it will not be a fomo box release that well give me.. well... fear of missing out. ( though currently its only a month I think right ?)

[General Strike]

I have been looking at the models over and over, and I have to say I couldn't be happier. While I would love some specialized terminators in the future, that doesn't take away from how much I love everything we are getting. I love the lighter looking armor on the legionnaires. I love the heaviness of the noise marines. I love the lords and the blade boys. If I had to complain, I don't LOVE the heads on the blade boys. But that is so easy to switch out that it really isn't a complaint, since it appears the other kits will have lots of extra heads. This is the first time where I don't care as much about the rules because I can be happy with these models for the next few editions. I finally get "rules change but models are eternal."

[Rain]

The heads of the Flawless Blades are likely not quite as easy to switch as you’d think, as they appear to be sculpted into the bodies. The way it works on the Eightbound is that the neck and head is all sculpted onto the body, with the face being changeable. Obviously anything can be changed with a saw and enough time, but it probably won’t be direct swap.

 

That said, it looks like there will be some much better heads than the cone heads coming with the dual blade version of the FB.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 02:29 PM by Rain

[Dr. Clock]

14 minutes ago, Rain said:

much better heads than the cone heads coming with the dual blade version of the FB

I'm guessing the other kits are also going to have a good few extra heads each, so for those who dislike the extendo-skulls etc. I do find head swaps are usually the easiest conversions to do. Choices might be slightly limited by the apparently unarmoured necks, though of course it is still possible to wear a helmet with an unarmoured neck lol.

 

I do find that the heads on the featured FB are among my least favourite in the range... but the alternatives are among my faves! Having the heads be a bit of an issue for just the second unit of three I might build is still okay... Especially if you get crafty and use extra bits from first unit on just a CSM Possessed or Chosen box to get an extra 2 minis, and convert yourself a 9th from somewhere else to get 3x3 with all unique sculpts and for 2/3rds the price. This was my approach to 8Bound, and it paid off pretty well,  netting me 3 units for approximately the cost of 2. Biggest question mark is where to get the 9th guy these days of course, but you could probably get mileage out of almost any marine pseudo-recent Chaos character sculpt for the final dude.

 

All that's to say that if there's one variant of a kit that is a slam dunk and one that's subpar, that's usually enough for me ; )

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Rain]

Oh, I agree about the release overall. This release makes the Nails itch when I compare it to the bare bones WE release. The models are almost all on point, and it looks like the unit selection will allow for melee lists, ranged sonic lists, or a blend of the two, making for a dynamic army to build and play.

 

Cone heads aside, GW model design has come a long way from the goofy cartoonish DG with their belly tongues, and the “jagged trim everywhere” phase of Chaos.

[Fire Golem]

It would be nice if the Blades kit has 3 of the helmet that we’ve seen, so everyone can have one, but I’m not holding my breath. I like the heads anyway, personally, but the helmet is ace. 

[LSM]

The Exalted/Eightbound do come with ten heads in the kit, so there does exist the possibility that we haven't seen everything that the Flawless Blades have to offer.

 

Though... as noted, Exalted/Eightbound more have optional faces than optional heads, taking up less sprue space...

 

Needless breakdown time! The Exalted/Eightbound are two sprues, containing:

• 10 Faces
• 6 Shoulder Pads (1 Khorne, 1 WE, 4 with spikes)
• 3 Backpacks
• 3 Bodies (1 Alternate Tarantino Feet); 3 (optional) Back Plates, 6 (optional) Chest Plates
• 1 pair of Lacerators, 1 Heavy Chainglaive, 6 Evicerators (3 Swords, 3 Axes), 4 Chainfists (2 Left, 2 Right)

Of note, the Chainfists are mostly in three or four pieces, the bodies are six (including the soles of their boots), backpacks are all two pieces, and the spikes on the shoulder pads are separate bits.

 

From what we can see of the Flawless Blades:

• 6 Heads
• 6 Shoulder Pads (3 EC, 1 mini-curtain, 1 mini-coins, 1 mini)
• 3 Backpacks
• 3 Bodies
• 6-9 Blissblades, 3 Empty Hands
• Some number of Grenades/belt doodads

Now... it's hard to tell how the arms are done. Are they just (handless) arms, with optional hands/Blissblades? There could be a lot of arm poses and then six blades/six hands, or there could be nine blades and three arms with open hands. That could change the amount of space taken up by the weapons considerably. None of the blades would require the multiple pieces that the Eightbounds' Chainfists do, though, and even if it's 12 arms - that's the same number of weapons (and two less arms) as the Eightbound have, so should take less space.

 

The Backpacks are pretty standard Chaos Marine packs, with the dinky little drug cannisters on top. Possibly a separate bit, but I think those could be castable as single pieces. Equal or less room than the Eightbound.

 

The bodies are potentially 3D jigsaws, with all that cloth. However (outside of the Grenades added to their belts) there appears to be no variation in the bodies. I can't imagine them taking more than the average 9 pieces each Eightbound has devoted to one individual. I'm confident in saying less than or equal sprue space.

 

Shoulder pads are smaller and have no cross-unit variety. There's also nothing on them that looks to require multiple bits, so I'd say less space than Eightbound.

 

Flawless Blades' heads are larger than the rather simple faces of the Eightbound (coneheads, big hair), and could potentially include the entire neck. (For example, the Adrian Smith head seems to include piping at the throat that the one conehead doesn't, despite them sharing an identical body.) So they're definitely taking up more space, and possible dramatically more space.

 

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Still, I think it's possible that there's one or two surprises waiting on the sprue.

 

For comparison, if you were to just look at the official box pictures of the Exalted/Eightbound you'd miss out on two of the Eviscerators and knowledge of the "suns out guns out" build of the kit. (And the webstore seems to not show the insert of two of the Chainfists, so... if you, for example, were looking at the studio army those would not be apparent either.)

 

Edited Friday at 02:32 AM by LSM

[General Strike]

6 hours ago, Rain said:

The heads of the Flawless Blades are likely not quite as easy to switch as you’d think, as they appear to be sculpted into the bodies. The way it works on the Eightbound is that the neck and head is all sculpted onto the body, with the face being changeable. Obviously anything can be changed with a saw and enough time, but it probably won’t be direct swap.

 

That said, it looks like there will be some much better heads than the cone heads coming with the dual blade version of the FB.

 

 

 

I just looked those up and there seems to be quite a few better heads. I see four different ones in the picture I found and I like them all more than the coneheads. Thanks for letting me know about that, it means this is a 10/10 for me.

[Special Officer Doofy]

Was there pre existing lore for some of the EC having comeheads or was this a more recent experiment by GW because of Slaanesh's link to eldar? I'm not a fan of the coneheads at all but maybe with some context I could get over it.

[Marshal Loss]

11 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Was there pre existing lore for some of the EC having comeheads or was this a more recent experiment by GW because of Slaanesh's link to eldar? I'm not a fan of the coneheads at all but maybe with some context I could get over it.

 

A lot of people have leapt to the 'Eldar helmet' link but the preview article specifically notes:

 

Their hideous appearance echoes the daemons of the Dark Prince whose gifts they readily accept

 

So I'd say first and foremost it's a link with the squid/cone head design of many Slaaneshi daemons, e.g. the old Keeper of Secrets design.

 

 

It could also be a reference to the real world practice of head binding which might have been done to signify status. And if anybody is going to turn their head into a cone as a means of displaying their superiority, it'd be the Third. 

 

There are a lot of links between Eldar and Slaaneshi iconography and appearance for obvious reasons but I don't think the designers went 'hey let's make their heads look like Eldar helmets'. It just wouldn't make much sense to me, though I could be wrong. I think they just went for a freaky weird look that doesn't have any obvious parallels across the various CSM/marine ranges and which ties into a classic Slaaneshi head design. I love it though I can see why others don't. 

[Special Officer Doofy]

6 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

 

A lot of people have leapt to the 'Eldar helmet' link but the preview article specifically notes:

 

 

 

 

So I'd say first and foremost it's a link with the squid/cone head design of many Slaaneshi daemons, e.g. the old Keeper of Secrets design.

 

 

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It could also be a reference to the real world practice of head binding which might have been done to signify status. And if anybody is going to turn their head into a cone as a means of displaying their superiority, it'd be the Third. 

 

There are a lot of links between Eldar and Slaaneshi iconography and appearance for obvious reasons but I don't think the designers went 'hey let's make their heads look like Eldar helmets'. It just wouldn't make much sense to me, though I could be wrong. I think they just went for a freaky weird look that doesn't have any obvious parallels across the various CSM/marine ranges and which ties into a classic Slaaneshi head design. I love it though I can see why others don't. 

 

I forgot all about the squid head with straps! Looked so cool.

 

It could be a combination of all the reasons you mentioned, doesn't have to be one and only one reason I suppose. I've personally always been a fan of helmets compared to bare heads. The chance that every planet our toy soldiers are on have the perfect temperature, pressure and air makeup to perform respiratory function is pretty much a 0%. That and helmets are way easier to paint. Faces are really easy to screw up. Some of you out there are magical on how well you paint faces. I even used defiler masks on my older daemon princes because of how derpy their faces are.

[LSM]

Personally, I think I could have been a fan of the coneheads if they were more like the old Keeper's squid-head. (ie. with side horns and bondage straps.)

 

The one with the piercings down the middle isn't bad (though the hair is a little off), but the other one has this weird mouth that's... cartoony? Not a big fan of nu-Lucius' head for the same reason - there's just something off, and it feels... cartoony to me. Like their features are drawn lines. (Might be a victim of the painting style.)

 

5 hours ago, General Strike said:

 

I just looked those up and there seems to be quite a few better heads. I see four different ones in the picture I found and I like them all more than the coneheads. Thanks for letting me know about that, it means this is a 10/10 for me.

 

 

Yeah... the kit has what I'd consider three amazing heads, one pretty okay head, and two "ehh" heads.

 

Of course they put the latter three front and centre in their marketing, and you only get a glimpse of the former three.

Edited Friday at 02:41 AM by LSM

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Given the link between Eldar and Slaanesh, it's entirely possible that the "EC with coneheads" design cue traces an indirect route to Eldar helmets via Slaaneshi design cues.

[Lay]

it's one of those things that are meant to distinguish a unit without being mandatory to it, like the third eye on some of the chaos chosen heads

[LSM]

A little excerpt from Renegades: Lord of Excess that I liked:

 

"The Adored fanned out as they entered the chamber, choosing targets not on threat priority, effective weapon application, or any of the other methods they had been taught as members of the III Legion, but by their potential pleasure. Directing them was a fool's errand, and Xantine instead allowed them to sow chaos amongst his brother's forces."

[Macidious]

I pray to the dark prince that this weekend they announce the fomo box is on pre order next Saturday, then next week we will get rule reveals and the ball starts to roll once more 

[Hathor42]

Here's the leaks posted on discord I sadly don't like many of them if true.

- Fulgrim is 16” 2+ 4+ 16 wounds 
     - Attacks:
         -  Strike at 6x S14 -3 D6+1 or Sweep at 12x S8 -2 D2 (both sustain1)
         -  He has 6 extra attacks at 6/1/1 
         -  Ranged at 12" s8 -2 D2
      -  He has an ability (his poison one) which is pick a unit, in a 4+ deal d3 mortals
      -  Fights first on himself OR -1 to be hit on himself OR Exalted 8b aura (Leadership test to fall back)
     -  OC6
    
- Blast master is 18”
    
-  Lucius loses fights first if he joins a unit, otherwise he is pretty good line op
    ○ Can only join Flawless Blades
    
- One of the detachments gives essentially dark pacts on the charge
- Another one has uppy downy rhinos
- Demons have 1 detachment to take 1000 points of them
    ○ Can't take daemons other than in the book, and only in that 1 detachment
    
- The criteria for their army rule is “If a unit advanced this turn, no more than one EC unit that advanced is allowed to end a charge move with the same enemy unit” The fall back and charge one is “you can not charge the same unit you fell back from”
    
- Flawless blades have 3 attacks each; and critically wound on 3+. No dev or anything
    ○ They have Movement 8
    
- The book DOES NOT have the following
    ○ Predators 
    ○ Vindicators 
    ○ Forgefiends 
    ○ Hellbrutes
    ○ Cultists
    
- Terminators cracked but locked in 5 mans

[01RTB01]

13 minutes ago, Hathor42 said:

Here's the leaks posted on discord I sadly don't like many of them if true.

- Fulgrim is 16” 2+ 4+ 16 wounds 
     - Attacks:
         -  Strike at 6x S14 -3 D6+1 or Sweep at 12x S8 -2 D2 (both sustain1)
         -  He has 6 extra attacks at 6/1/1 
         -  Ranged at 12" s8 -2 D2
      -  He has an ability (his poison one) which is pick a unit, in a 4+ deal d3 mortals
      -  Fights first on himself OR -1 to be hit on himself OR Exalted 8b aura (Leadership test to fall back)
     -  OC6
    
- Blast master is 18”
    
-  Lucius loses fights first if he joins a unit, otherwise he is pretty good line op
    ○ Can only join Flawless Blades
    
- One of the detachments gives essentially dark pacts on the charge
- Another one has uppy downy rhinos
- Demons have 1 detachment to take 1000 points of them
    ○ Can't take daemons other than in the book, and only in that 1 detachment
    
- The criteria for their army rule is “If a unit advanced this turn, no more than one EC unit that advanced is allowed to end a charge move with the same enemy unit” The fall back and charge one is “you can not charge the same unit you fell back from”
    
- Flawless blades have 3 attacks each; and critically wound on 3+. No dev or anything
    ○ They have Movement 8
    
- The book DOES NOT have the following
    ○ Predators 
    ○ Vindicators 
    ○ Forgefiends 
    ○ Hellbrutes
    ○ Cultists
    
- Terminators cracked but locked in 5 mans

Is there a list of units definitely in please?

[LSM]

That list of excluded units would leave us with very little anti-tank, and the presence of Forgefiends on it makes me think it's fake. (We know there are Maulerfiends and I don't think we get one and not the other.)

 

18" Blasmasters is also something that I just cannot see being true.

 

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That said: any rumours about the Noise Marine's composition (and specifically the Disharmonist's options)?

 

Edited Saturday at 08:44 PM by LSM

[Hathor42]

I saw somewhere they said they thought it was 3-6 but I don't think anyone confirmed it.