EC Rumours

[01RTB01]

10 minutes ago, Hathor42 said:

I saw somewhere they said they thought it was 3-6 but I don't think anyone confirmed it. 

That just sounds off to be honest. Flawless blades I can see. Noise marines are likely to be just in 6s.

 

 

[Macidious]

1 hour ago, Hathor42 said:

Here's the leaks posted on discord I sadly don't like many of them if true.

- Fulgrim is 16” 2+ 4+ 16 wounds 
     - Attacks:
         -  Strike at 6x S14 -3 D6+1 or Sweep at 12x S8 -2 D2 (both sustain1)
         -  He has 6 extra attacks at 6/1/1 
         -  Ranged at 12" s8 -2 D2
      -  He has an ability (his poison one) which is pick a unit, in a 4+ deal d3 mortals
      -  Fights first on himself OR -1 to be hit on himself OR Exalted 8b aura (Leadership test to fall back)
     -  OC6
    
- Blast master is 18”
    
-  Lucius loses fights first if he joins a unit, otherwise he is pretty good line op
    ○ Can only join Flawless Blades
    
- One of the detachments gives essentially dark pacts on the charge
- Another one has uppy downy rhinos
- Demons have 1 detachment to take 1000 points of them
    ○ Can't take daemons other than in the book, and only in that 1 detachment
    
- The criteria for their army rule is “If a unit advanced this turn, no more than one EC unit that advanced is allowed to end a charge move with the same enemy unit” The fall back and charge one is “you can not charge the same unit you fell back from”
    
- Flawless blades have 3 attacks each; and critically wound on 3+. No dev or anything
    ○ They have Movement 8
    
- The book DOES NOT have the following
    ○ Predators 
    ○ Vindicators 
    ○ Forgefiends 
    ○ Hellbrutes
    ○ Cultists
    
- Terminators cracked but locked in 5 mans

Yeah this seems very off , ec will have no anti tank whatsoever haha and also why would they have maulerfiends but not forgefiends 

[HeadlessCross]

I say it's fake because uppy downy Rhinos makes no sense and we know there are Cultists because they appeared in some of the pics of the army. 

[Hathor42]

I haven't seen cultists in any of the army pics so far. 

[Macidious]

20 minutes ago, Macidious said:

Yeah this seems very off , ec will have no anti tank whatsoever haha and also why would they have maulerfiends but not forgefiends 

Also blast master being 18 seems weird just saying that when they have 2 settings to their stats and have never been 18 , so yeah not convinced on this one, I think we will only see real rule leaks the week after they announce pre order , so if they announce it tomorrow we will see photo leaks next week 

[Indy Techwisp]

1 hour ago, Hathor42 said:

Here's the leaks posted on discord I sadly don't like many of them if true.

- Fulgrim is 16” 2+ 4+ 16 wounds 
     - Attacks:
         -  Strike at 6x S14 -3 D6+1 or Sweep at 12x S8 -2 D2 (both sustain1)
         -  He has 6 extra attacks at 6/1/1 
         -  Ranged at 12" s8 -2 D2
      -  He has an ability (his poison one) which is pick a unit, in a 4+ deal d3 mortals
      -  Fights first on himself OR -1 to be hit on himself OR Exalted 8b aura (Leadership test to fall back)
     -  OC6
    
- Blast master is 18”
    
-  Lucius loses fights first if he joins a unit, otherwise he is pretty good line op
    ○ Can only join Flawless Blades
    
- One of the detachments gives essentially dark pacts on the charge
- Another one has uppy downy rhinos
- Demons have 1 detachment to take 1000 points of them
    ○ Can't take daemons other than in the book, and only in that 1 detachment
    
- The criteria for their army rule is “If a unit advanced this turn, no more than one EC unit that advanced is allowed to end a charge move with the same enemy unit” The fall back and charge one is “you can not charge the same unit you fell back from”
    
- Flawless blades have 3 attacks each; and critically wound on 3+. No dev or anything
    ○ They have Movement 8
    
- The book DOES NOT have the following
    ○ Predators 
    ○ Vindicators 
    ○ Forgefiends 
    ○ Hellbrutes
    ○ Cultists
    
- Terminators cracked but locked in 5 mans

 

This has the same energy as that fake World Eaters combat patrol from the other day, in that it seems purpose designed to just annoy the  out of everyone.

[HeadlessCross]

2 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

This has the same energy as that fake World Eaters combat patrol from the other day, in that it seems purpose designed to just annoy the  out of everyone.

You mean the one with the Crimson Slaughter Helbrute?

[Macidious]

2 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

This has the same energy as that fake World Eaters combat patrol from the other day, in that it seems purpose designed to just annoy the  out of everyone.

Yeah I’m just gonna wait till I see it on community posts or if they leak datacards like the aeldari got 

[Hathor42]

Well, the guy on Discord that leaked the genestealer Cult Codex confirmed it, so it feels more legit but sad. lol. 

[Indy Techwisp]

Well then.
 

EC wait 30 years to get released and they get the Codex writer that hates them.

OK, I guess GW don't want people buying the faction.

[Gree]

I actually think these rumors are legitimate. I remember when the WE rumors first came out and people thought they were fake due to weird unit omissions and arbitrary restrictions. Turns out it was accurate. This sounds like something GW would release.

 

 

[01RTB01]

5 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Well then.
 

EC wait 30 years to get released and they get the Codex writer that hates them.

OK, I guess GW don't want people buying the faction.

We should reserve judgement until everything is seen. 

 

 

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, Gree said:

I actually think these rumors are legitimate. I remember when the WE rumors first came out and people thought they were fake due to weird unit omissions and arbitrary restrictions. Turns out it was accurate. This sounds like something GW would release.

 

There's a difference between "It's weird that WE didn't get some of this stuff." and "Your only answer to armour is a nearly 300pt Transport have fun."

[Indy Techwisp]

If that turns out to be real, GW may as well have not released the Army, because they sure as  won't be showing up at any events GW care about.

[01RTB01]

11 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

If that turns out to be real, GW may as well have not released the Army, because they sure as  won't be showing up at any events GW care about.

In fairness, not broken wouldn't be a bad thing. So long as they're playable and fun should be reet.

[Indy Techwisp]

1 hour ago, 01RTB01 said:

In fairness, not broken wouldn't be a bad thing. So long as they're playable and fun should be reet.

 

They aren't going to be playble if they release like the leak says, that's the issue.

If it's true this army folds to Nerfed Sisters of Battle, let alone the near infinite number of Wardogs found in comp play.

 

It wouldn't just be Unplayable, it would be dead on arrival.

Edited Sunday at 02:43 AM by Grotsmasha

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

They aren't going to be playble if they release like the leak says, that's the issue.

If it's true this army folds to Nerfed Sisters of Battle, let alone the near infinite number of Wardogs found in comp play.

 

It wouldn't just be Unplayable, dead on arrival.

 

There's barely any info at this stage and with respect this comes across as a huge overreaction to negligible information.

 

Edited Sunday at 02:44 AM by Grotsmasha

[ZeroWolf]

I am correct in thinking that the reaction here is due to perceived lack of anti-tank in the EC army? Could it be possible that there's an element not be shown that deals with this? Or at worst, day 1 update that restores some functionality?

 

I do wonder if vehicles will be reigned in at some point in the near future ala the old cycle that might uplift armies like the EC (taking things at face value).

[TheHaplessHeretic]

I was building a pair of deimos preds to use with EC and bought a hellbrute to convert with a blast master. If these rumours are true, this is extremely disappointing. If they're true, I'll be buying 1 box just for the minis instead of 2.

[Marshal Loss]

Won't get caught up in the rules specifics at this stage because they might be wrong/we don't have the full picture even if they're right/GW change rules and points constantly anyway so even if something is bad it might end up being spectacular by the time I actually paint it up, but some of those removals are pretty bizarre if true. Predators and Helbrutes are ubiquitous and iconic among all CSM factions and why would the Forgefiend not be present when the Maulerfiend is (if the World Eaters can figure out how to use one, anybody can, and the 3x Plasmafiend looks appropriately Slaaneshi imo). Wouldn't mind it if there was a direct replacement en route, e.g. a Sonic Dreadnought for the Helbrute, but that's obviously not the case at this stage.

 

In any case I guess we'll see soon enough. Won't impact my purchasing as I'm still tremendously excited about the new models but I had hoped to do a Sonic Predator proxy and have an original FW Sonic Dreadnought lying around which is a bummer. Hopefully the 15 February preorder rumour was right.

[Macidious]

3 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

Won't get caught up in the rules specifics at this stage because they might be wrong/we don't have the full picture even if they're right/GW change rules and points constantly anyway so even if something is bad it might end up being spectacular by the time I actually paint it up, but some of those removals are pretty bizarre if true. Predators and Helbrutes are ubiquitous and iconic among all CSM factions and why would the Forgefiend not be present when the Maulerfiend is (if the World Eaters can figure out how to use one, anybody can, and the 3x Plasmafiend looks appropriately Slaaneshi imo). Wouldn't mind it if there was a direct replacement en route, e.g. a Sonic Dreadnought for the Helbrute, but that's obviously not the case at this stage.

 

In any case I guess we'll see soon enough. Won't impact my purchasing as I'm still tremendously excited about the new models but I had hoped to do a Sonic Predator proxy and have an original FW Sonic Dreadnought lying around which is a bummer. Hopefully the 15 February preorder rumour was right.

Yeah I think it’s strange why would ec lose generic tanks that for them would be their only source of anti tank. Unless they plan for noise marines to be fire dragon tier anti tank but blast masters only being 18 inches would counter that argument , so I’m holding my breathe before judgement and waiting till I see the photo leaks or community posts 

[Macidious]

7 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

They aren't going to be playble if they release like the leak says, that's the issue.

If it's true this army folds to Nerfed Sisters of Battle, let alone the near infinite number of Wardogs found in comp play.

 

It wouldn't just be Unplayable, it would be dead on arrival.

Tau and imperial guard auto win lol

[darkseren1ty]

Outta curiosity, what does “uppy downy” rhinos mean?

can disembark and reembark on the same turn?

[Macidious]

10 minutes ago, darkseren1ty said:

Outta curiosity, what does “uppy downy” rhinos mean?

can disembark and reembark on the same turn?

Well in blood angels it means at the end of your turn you can pick up some units from the table and in your next turn they can deep strike in, but that sounds stupid cause how is a rhino flying in the sky and coming back down lol, who knows , I think the guy that “leaked it” left out a lot of info to wind people up with snippets 

Edited Sunday at 08:51 AM by Macidious

[Slaanbull]

I’m still getting over the prospect of losing terminator armoured characters and raptors. I am not ready for them to gut predators, helbrutes and cultists. It seems like such a nonsensical removal that it discredits the ‘leak’ in my opinion. But my faith in GW army design is low enough that I’m sure it could be true. 
 

18” blastmasters and only being able to field daemons in one of six detachments also sounds very weird to me. I’m not up to date with 10th edition codexes though, so I am not familiar enough with how they’ve handled allies and similar borrowed units.

 

Guess we’ll know soon enough if we should field our EC dreadnoughts and helbrutes as armiger proxies! I sure hope not, but us traitor legion players have plenty of experience being creative with our models the last many years.