EC Rumours

[DemonGSides]

6 minutes ago, Macidious said:

I think as a base it’s solid , but there are elements that feel off and a bit lazy, like if it was true, they bigged up “demonic poisons” and it turns out to be that 4+ d3 mortal thing , very lack luster, and also his whip being a 1 attack precision but only does 2 damage , that ain’t a whip it’s a tickling rope

 

But he essentially gets a second set of melee weapons, whereas no other primarch has them, so even if you want to consider 6x S6 Ap-1 1Dmg as bad (It for sure isn't, this will half out a cultist unit by itself and will kill two Marines by itself), it's completely ignoring where actual damage is going to come from in melee, his actual weapons. 

 

The abilities are nuts I'm not sure how free damage is a bad thing nor choosable fights first or worsening to hit.  The poison is just free damage, which no one is mad about even if it's a bit minimal, this demon primarch is already a blender in melee range so some free damage is really ideal. 

 

Mortarion, lazy in 10th ed for sure with the messed up weapon profiles and straight up missing deep strike. 

 

I'd be thrilled to run this guy in DG even with a nerfed move speed. Fulgrim is straight up tasty. 

Edited February 11 by DemonGSides

[Macidious]

5 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

But he essentially gets a second set of melee weapons, whereas no other primarch has them, so even if you want to consider 6x S6 Ap-1 1Dmg as bad (It for sure isn't, this will half out a cultist unit by itself and will kill two Marines by itself), it's completely ignoring where actual damage is going to come from in melee, his actual weapons. 

 

The abilities are nuts I'm not sure how free damage is a bad thing nor choosable fights first or worsening to hit.  The poison is just free damage, which no one is mad about even if it's a bit minimal, this demon primarch is already a blender in melee range so some free damage is really ideal. 

 

Mortarion, lazy in 10th ed for sure with the messed up weapon profiles and straight up missing deep strike. 

 

I'd be thrilled to run this guy in DG even with a nerfed move speed. Fulgrim is straight up tasty. 

Yeah I know for sure Morty has gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to rules compared to Angron and Magnus like night and day in strength , so we shall see when real rules are shown how fulgrim fairs 

[ZeroWolf]

I was talking about EC as a whole, not just Fulgrim. Personally I think Fulgrim is fine, his abilities all seem in order and fits with the other Primarchs except that he doesn't boost his own troops...but then why would he? He's a selfish prick *

 

*on the other hand, maybe something to show the troops trying to get "his" attention might have worked? Not a deal breaker mind.

[DemonGSides]

1 minute ago, ZeroWolf said:

I was talking about EC as a whole, not just Fulgrim. Personally I think Fulgrim is fine, his abilities all seem in order and fits with the other Primarchs except that he doesn't boost his own troops...but then why would he? He's a selfish prick *

 

*on the other hand, maybe something to show the troops trying to get "his" attention might have worked? Not a deal breaker mind.

 

From what I've read, all the Fulgrim aura abilities affect enemies, so he's indirectly boosting his legion around him by debilitating the enemies. It's technically different, which I think also works by playing into the "selfish prick" idea you've got going on. 

[Marshal Loss]

If those 'leaked' rules are accurate, then we canonically know that Guilliman was taken out for 10,000 years by a mere D3 mortal wounds. What a lightweight.

[Macidious]

4 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

If those 'leaked' rules are accurate, then we canonically know that Guilliman was taken out for 10,000 years by a mere D3 mortal wounds. What a lightweight.

I was literally thinking this on the car ride home from work lol 

[ZeroWolf]

5 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

If those 'leaked' rules are accurate, then we canonically know that Guilliman was taken out for 10,000 years by a mere D3 mortal wounds. What a lightweight.

Come on, all marines were built differently then, they only had 1 wound back then!

[Macidious]

9 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

I was talking about EC as a whole, not just Fulgrim. Personally I think Fulgrim is fine, his abilities all seem in order and fits with the other Primarchs except that he doesn't boost his own troops...but then why would he? He's a selfish prick *

 

*on the other hand, maybe something to show the troops trying to get "his" attention might have worked? Not a deal breaker mind.

Yeah depends how flavourful they wanna go , I think it would be cool for him to still have auras , a fight first aura would be excellent. 
 

but if he is designed to be a 1 man band that can hold on his own it would be cool too.

 

i mean he’s gonna move 14-16 inches most likely so with advance and charge on a maximum he can traverse 26-28 inches alone haha, so if he’s a bit durable and a killing machine that would be awesome 

[TheNicronomicon]

There could be something in a detachment that keys off him--I could see a monster mash style list with Fulcrum and his, ah, handmaidens (hand-daemons? you know what this is slaanesh I don't wanna think too deeply about this) giving Keepers and the prim arch some kind of effect within 6". Or maybe pain tokens or something like that anytime a unit wounds/gets wounded. It would be sort of funny, and thematic, for the daemon primarchs to be so chaotic their battlefield role can change with the detachment.

[Macidious]

4 minutes ago, TheNicronomicon said:

There could be something in a detachment that keys off him--I could see a monster mash style list with Fulcrum and his, ah, handmaidens (hand-daemons? you know what this is slaanesh I don't wanna think too deeply about this) giving Keepers and the prim arch some kind of effect within 6". Or maybe pain tokens or something like that anytime a unit wounds/gets wounded. It would be sort of funny, and thematic, for the daemon primarchs to be so chaotic their battlefield role can change with the detachment.

I think it was an old rule for slaanesh demons where they could advance and charge but it was an aura that greater demons or demon hqs had so if you were in 6 inch of them you could , maybe they’ll bring something similar back 

[Scribe]

On 2/8/2025 at 5:14 PM, Indy Techwisp said:

 

They aren't going to be playble if they release like the leak says, that's the issue.

If it's true this army folds to Nerfed Sisters of Battle, let alone the near infinite number of Wardogs found in comp play.

 

It wouldn't just be Unplayable, it would be dead on arrival.

 

Don't worry, it's just a short step to the next online update changing values around, just keep chasing that next updated PDF.

 

Your book is a paperweight, but oh well?

 

#10thBalance

[Macidious]

5 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Don't worry, it's just a short step to the next online update changing values around, just keep chasing that next updated PDF.

 

Your book is a paperweight, but oh well?

 

#10thBalance

Everyone needs to relax and wait for the actual release before judgment , cause we could go round in circles all day at this one “leak” without knowing the full picture or any picture at all cause we haven’t got any hard evidence yet , once we have all the information then people can say the sky is falling 

[TheNicronomicon]

21 minutes ago, Macidious said:

Everyone needs to relax and wait for the actual release before judgment , cause we could go round in circles all day at this one “leak” without knowing the full picture or any picture at all cause we haven’t got any hard evidence yet , once we have all the information then people can say the sky is falling 

“But I’ve got dead horses to beat NOW!!!1”

[HeadlessCross]

51 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Don't worry, it's just a short step to the next online update changing values around, just keep chasing that next updated PDF.

 

Your book is a paperweight, but oh well?

 

#10thBalance

Rather need to check for updated PDFs than go without army balance patches as necessary. 

[Scribe]

58 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Rather need to check for updated PDFs than go without army balance patches as necessary. 

 

Sure. I'd rather GW release a quality set of rules. ;)

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

3 hours ago, Marshal Loss said:

If those 'leaked' rules are accurate, then we canonically know that Guilliman was taken out for 10,000 years by a mere D3 mortal wounds. What a lightweight.

10K years ago there were no Mortal Wounds. Only Instant Death.

[01RTB01]

15 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

10K years ago there were no Mortal Wounds. Only Instant Death.

I'll see your instant death and raise you multi melta damage from 2nd ed

[Mogger351]

7 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

Sure. I'd rather GW release a quality set of rules. ;)

Define quality. I get tired of seeing something that people don't like as "unplayable".

 

I've no doubt it'll come with ambiguity and typos, so quality may indeed be poor but what you both mean is "powerful".

 

It can be entirely playable and well written and not be what you want or win events.

 

To drag it back on topic, I had wondered if the mk3 rhino chassis might be put out to pasture next edition and hence the absence of a lot of the kits that come from it. Or rather, if the HH kits will get a rebox with a 40k accessory sprue for chaos.

[Macidious]

17 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Define quality. I get tired of seeing something that people don't like as "unplayable".

 

I've no doubt it'll come with ambiguity and typos, so quality may indeed be poor but what you both mean is "powerful".

 

It can be entirely playable and well written and not be what you want or win events.

 

To drag it back on topic, I had wondered if the mk3 rhino chassis might be put out to pasture next edition and hence the absence of a lot of the kits that come from it. Or rather, if the HH kits will get a rebox with a 40k accessory sprue for chaos.

Would be cool if they did that, really go for the veterans feel with heresey tanks but making a new chaos upgrade sprue for vehicles 

[Marshal Loss]

I don't think there's any chance they repackage or utilise existing heresy kits with a new upgrade kit for CSM, though I think that would have been a good option. It's already been discussed a lot and is a topic for another thread but GW clearly want to minimise and eliminate where possible kits being used in multiple systems. Maybe we'll get bespoke CSM vehicle kits at some point down the road.

[HeadlessCross]

8 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

Sure. I'd rather GW release a quality set of rules. ;)

Which has never happened. Every edition and every codex has been out of whack in some fashion. The difference here is that changes are at least made vs "forge the narrative" or "don't use the models you paid money for".

[ZeroWolf]

43 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Define quality. I get tired of seeing something that people don't like as "unplayable".

 

I've no doubt it'll come with ambiguity and typos, so quality may indeed be poor but what you both mean is "powerful".

 

It can be entirely playable and well written and not be what you want or win events.

 

To drag it back on topic, I had wondered if the mk3 rhino chassis might be put out to pasture next edition and hence the absence of a lot of the kits that come from it. Or rather, if the HH kits will get a rebox with a 40k accessory sprue for chaos.

I hope Scribe doesn't mind me speaking on their behalf but what I think they mean is rules that have had time and the work/testing put in that don't need updates to fix.

 

Also worth pointing out before moving on that even in the old days, corrections and changes were issued to codexs, just that you had to cut out and stick in the adjustments or wait till the codex had a reprinting (which happened with DE if I recall as the cover design changed slightly).

 

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Anyway 

14 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

I don't think there's any chance they repackage or utilise existing heresy kits with a new upgrade kit for CSM, though I think that would have been a good option. It's already been discussed a lot and is a topic for another thread but GW clearly want to minimise and eliminate where possible kits being used in multiple systems. Maybe we'll get bespoke CSM vehicle kits at some point down the road.

I think this is the most probable outcome, and is a sure thing on the timeline, just how long that timeline is, that's the question.

 

Eventually, I see every cult legion with bespoke vehicles of some description, whether that be manned or demon engines. Then more undivided options for core CSM.

[Alternis]

14 hours ago, TheNicronomicon said:

“But I’ve got dead horses to beat NOW!!!1”

Said Horse, who is very much NOT dead, and juiced up on Slaanesh protein (pun intended) 

 

good luck beating this one brother! 
 

I think the EC rumour mill train isn’t stopping for this one!

[Macidious]

15 minutes ago, Alternis said:

Said Horse, who is very much NOT dead, and juiced up on Slaanesh protein (pun intended) 

 

good luck beating this one brother! 
 

I think the EC rumour mill train isn’t stopping for this one!

I need this horse to find a camera and leak the ec codex , I’m getting ec news withdrawals lol

[Scribe]

7 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

I've no doubt it'll come with ambiguity and typos, so quality may indeed be poor but what you both mean is "powerful".

 

No, I'm not interested from a power level angle at all. I want a game I can buy, that is coherent, roughly balanced, and understood by the designers.

 

About the opposite of 10th.