EC Rumours

[HeadlessCross]

51 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

No, I'm not interested from a power level angle at all. I want a game I can buy, that is coherent, roughly balanced, and understood by the designers.

 

About the opposite of 10th.

Literally no edition of 40k meets your criteria then

[Scribe]

44 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Literally no edition of 40k meets your criteria then

 

Certainly nothing since 4th or 5th or HH1.

[Evil Eye]

@HeadlessCross I'll meet you halfway. No edition of 40K has been especially well-balanced, it's true. However, older editions A: weren't aiming for razor-fine balance and were explicitly clear that they were intended to be played as fluffy, narrative-driven experiences with friends first and foremost (hence why a lot of content that was too cool to leave out but would unbalance the game if left unchecked was added with the caveat of "these rules should only be used with both players' agreement and are not guaranteed to be 100% balanced" see: 3E Lootas using non-Imperial guns, the Vehicle Design Rules, etc) and B: were actually fun, and C: didn't end up with books you paid for being totally obsolete within a week of buying them. In fact I'd argue GW trying to make the game more "balanced" and better for the tournament crowd (along with assuming every game is between two strangers and that players are incapable of basic social contract skills such as "don't be a prick") has made the game considerably worse.

 

Earlier editions of 40K were far from perfect and every edition has had flaws and loopholes (my beloved 4E has Fish of Fury, for instance) but I feel like trying to make a game that's balanced "well enough" with fun and immersion as the main goal (and balance being enforced with the tried and true method of just not playing like a douche, with violators being shunned at the table or subject to mandatory dreadsocking) will produce a much more enjoyable end product than trying to force 40K to play like a tabletop version of a competitive RTS game with constant balance patches and ever-more-abstracted mechanics.

[Brother Tyler]

Please stay on topic, folks. This discussion is about the upcoming Emperor's Children releases.

 

The other subjects that have come up, while valid topics of discussion and worthy of being pursued, are off topic. Please take those discussions into their own topics so that each discussion can focus on the appropriate subjects.

[Evil Eye]

I have to say I am a bit sad to hear that the Hellbrute is (allegedly) not making it into the EC book. Mainly because it utterly dashes any hopes of Sonic Dreadnoughts making a comeback, or even appearing as a counts-as of a regular 'brute.

[Macidious]

4 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

I have to say I am a bit sad to hear that the Hellbrute is (allegedly) not making it into the EC book. Mainly because it utterly dashes any hopes of Sonic Dreadnoughts making a comeback, or even appearing as a counts-as of a regular 'brute.

I am honestly not fussed if the hellbrute goes (it won’t) it is a model that has not stood the test of time , and they should revamp it like they did the demon prince with god aligned symbols, armour and weapons 

[Mogger351]

3 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

I have to say I am a bit sad to hear that the Hellbrute is (allegedly) not making it into the EC book. Mainly because it utterly dashes any hopes of Sonic Dreadnoughts making a comeback, or even appearing as a counts-as of a regular 'brute.

Oddly it going now is actually  abetter indicator of a potential sonic dreadnought. It suggests to me they're cooking something for the slot in the future.

[LSM]

Because for some reason I like doing this, a quick comparison between the Infiltrators/Incursors kit, and the Tormentor/Infractor kit.

 

(While we don't know for absolutely sure, the latter appears to be like the former: a two-sprue, five man dual kit, sold doubled up.)

 

Infiltrators/Incursors

• 5 Bodies, 5 Leg Pouches, 6 Sheathed Knives, 6 Pistol Holsters, 10 Chest Grenade bits, 6 little belt doodads, 5 Shoulder Pads
• 5 Backpacks, 7 Infiltrator doodads (one Comms), 5 Incursor doodads
• 7 Infiltrator Heads (one Sergeant, one Comms), 6 Incursor Heads
• 5 Base Bolters (with Paired Arms), 5 Occulus mags/scopes, 5 Marksman mags/scopes
• 1 Haywire Mine, 1 Arm (R) with Haywire Mine, 1 Arm (R) signalling, 2 Arm (R) with pistol drawn/drawing, 2 Arm (R) with knife drawn, 1 Arm (R) pointing (with Slung Base Bolter), 1 Arm (L) with wrist doodad, 4 Arm (L) with Base Bolter. (Total 12 "special arms".) 

Tormentors/Infractors

• 5 Bodies (1 with two Chest Plate options), 2 Champion belt doodads, ~3 belt doodads (Grenades, Pouches, Stimms), 11 Shoulder Pads (5 EC, 2 Leathers)
• 5 Backpacks, 1 Combat Drug Dispenser, 1 Legion Icon
• 12 Heads (3 unhelmeted, 2 Champion)
• 4 Bolters (with Paired Arms), 1 Meltagun, 1 Plasma Gun, 5 Duellist Sabres Arms (2L, 3R), 5 Bolt Pistol Arms (2 L, 3R)
• 1 Arm (R) with Grenade, 1 Arm (L) with Slung Bolter, 1 Arm (R) with Duellist Sabre on hip, 1 pair of Arms reloading Bolter, 1 Arm (R) with Bolt/Plasma Pistol, 1 Arm (L) with Power Sword/Rupture Lash.

To start comparing sprue real-estate:

• The bodies can cross out. (Though the Phobos ones are in four pieces, whereas I could imagine the EC one being just in three - like the MkVI or CSM kits - saving a touch of space).
• The extra Chest Plate I'll sub for the Haywire Mine.
• EC belt doodads will be offset by the I/I Chest Grenades and belt doodads.
• The 11 Shoulder Pads I'll offset with 5 Shoulder Pads, 5 Pouches, and the Comms array.
• EC Backpacks are probably wider, so I'll cancel them out with the Backpacks plus Incursor doodads.
• Combat Drugs and Legion Icon bits trade out for four of the mags/scopes.
• 3 Unhelmeted heads trade with 3 Incursor heads. 7 heads trade with 7 Infiltrator heads (tall top-knots/antenna), 2 Champion heads trade with the remaining 3 Incursor heads.
• Four Bolters (and their arms) cancel out.
• The reloading EC Bolter (and Arms) will cancel out the fifth I/I Bolter (and Arms).
• The Meltagun and Plasma Gun will sub for two of the fancy arms.
• Five Duellist Sabre Arms offset five fancy arms.
• Five Bolt Pistol Arms offset the other five fancy arms.
• The Arms with Grenade and Slung Bolter can trade for the six Holsters.
• The Arm and hip Sabre can trave for the six Infiltrator doodads.
• The Arm with Bolt Pistol or Plasma Pistol can trade with the remaining mag/scopes.
• The Arm with the Power Sword or Rupture Lash can trade with the Knives, and then squeeze in with all the generosity I was leaving at the margins.

Which is to say: everything cancels out, and I seriously doubt there are any other options in the kit that we haven't seen. (ie. a Champion Screamer Pistol, Champion Power Fist/Spear, Flamer, Sonic Blaster, alternate Icon, etc).

[Macidious]

GENUINELY!….. damn you gw 

[ZeroWolf]

No EC this week, only one Sunday preview left for them (even then preorders won't start till March 1st). Surely the influences aren't taking that long with the boxes  However, we have gotten everything resin related so, there's that.

[Macidious]

Just now, ZeroWolf said:

No EC this week, only one Sunday preview left for them (even then preorders won't start till March 1st). Surely the influences aren't taking that long with the boxes  However, we have gotten everything resin related so, there's that.

All the stuff they have put up this week could of been split up over the last 8 weeks , it’s now just getting tedious and boring this wait 

[Fire Golem]

It’s a bit irritating that the Mechanicum box, which was shown off like a week ago, is coming before the EC box. 

[Macidious]

2 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

It’s a bit irritating that the Mechanicum box, which was shown off like a week ago, is coming before the EC box. 

It’s cause they know not a lot of people will buy it so just getting the crumb releases out the way before this ec release which will earn them a lot of money 

[jimbo1701]

 

To get all the codexes out this side of 2026 they will need to put out 1 a month so I’m curious when we will start seeing more details for the other cult releases and whether they will come one at a time or all together. 

[01RTB01]

21 minutes ago, jimbo1701 said:

 

To get all the codexes out this side of 2026 they will need to put out 1 a month so I’m curious when we will start seeing more details for the other cult releases and whether they will come one at a time or all together. 

Well considering on the roadmap, the EC book was listed as "now" and that was January for the LVO preview and we now won't get the army box before mid March and presumably the rest of the release in April at the earliest, I'd say that May/ June for the other cult releases wouldn't be out the question.

[Rain]

20 minutes ago, jimbo1701 said:

 

To get all the codexes out this side of 2026 they will need to put out 1 a month so I’m curious when we will start seeing more details for the other cult releases and whether they will come one at a time or all together. 

They have all but confirmed World Eaters for late April (World Eatster or somesuch) and the other two cult legions right after. As the releases will all be smaller than EC, they will probably stagger them by only 3 weeks or so. 

[Nephaston]

What tantalizing torment. GW remain the masters of the torture that is waiting.

[Rain]

1 minute ago, Nephaston said:

What tantalizing torment. GW remain the masters of the torture that is waiting.

Very on brand post for a thread about Emperor’s Children 

[jimbo1701]

5 minutes ago, Rain said:

They have all but confirmed World Eaters for late April (World Eatster or somesuch) and the other two cult legions right after. As the releases will all be smaller than EC, they will probably stagger them by only 3 weeks or so. 

With EC preorders anytime now hopefully that means we will get some info on the world eaters release soon as we already know the death guard model (but possibly wouldn’t had it not leaked) and suspect we’ve seen rumour engines of the thousand sons rumoured automatons. 

[01RTB01]

3 minutes ago, jimbo1701 said:

With EC preorders anytime now hopefully that means we will get some info on the world eaters release soon as we already know the death guard model (but possibly wouldn’t had it not leaked) and suspect we’ve seen rumour engines of the thousand sons rumoured automatons. 

If "now" = two months, then "soon"... 

[Marshal Loss]

15 minutes ago, Rain said:

They have all but confirmed World Eaters for late April (World Eatster or somesuch) and the other two cult legions right after. As the releases will all be smaller than EC, they will probably stagger them by only 3 weeks or so. 

 

I'd stress that a throwaway comment on WHC which may have been a seasonal joke is far from 'all but confirming' World Eaters for late April.

[TheMawr]

25 minutes ago, Marshal Loss said:

 

I'd stress that a throwaway comment on WHC which may have been a seasonal joke is far from 'all but confirming' World Eaters for late April.

 

While I normally would agree, with the current sunday I adjusted my releaseplan guess ( its not just extremely wild guessing, because trying to shuffle anything would not match the certainities.):

 

23-2 :  40k week :  EC boxset
2-3 :   AoS week : Rest of the Goblins
9-3 :   FW/Other games week : Necromunda + ???  ( at this point the last kill team was more than 3 months ago )
16-3 :  AoS week : Soulblight gravelords boxset
23-3 :  40k week : Rest of EC release
30-3 :  FW/Other games week : ??? + ???
6-4 :    40k week : ???
13-4 :  AoS week : Soulblight gravelords seperate release
20-4 :  Anything not AoS week : ???  ( this is the date of easter.)

 

Mind you that the 20-4 next week preview is either 40k (with world eaters being next in line) , other games ( so a good chance for Horus heresy just announced World eater stuff, wich is the only unreleased things.) or Kill team ( wich.. is rumored to be world eaters.)

 

 

edit :

To add, we likely have a small preview the 1st of march ( previously it was 2 codexes + 2 characters and similar for AoS, so it could be used for World eaters and Thousand sons, but I dont think its a necessity.. I think they could use it for kill team instead, though I do think all 3 will be shown before Adepticon, even if adepticon predates the possibly unaccounted for release weeks.)

Edited February 16 by TheMawr

[Macidious]

10 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

While I normally would agree, with the current sunday I adjusted my releaseplan guess ( its not just extremely wild guessing, because trying to shuffle anything would not match the certainities.):

 

23-2 :  40k week :  EC boxset
2-3 :   AoS week : Rest of the Goblins
9-3 :   FW/Other games week : Necromunda + ???  ( at this point the last kill team was more than 3 months ago )
16-3 :  AoS week : Soulblight gravelords boxset
23-3 :  40k week : Rest of EC release
30-3 :  FW/Other games week : ??? + ???
6-4 :    40k week : ???
13-4 :  AoS week : Soulblight gravelords seperate release
20-4 :  Anything not AoS week : ???  ( this is the date of easter.)

 

Mind you that the 20-4 next week preview is either 40k (with world eaters being next in line) , other games ( so a good chance for Horus heresy just announced World eater stuff, wich is the only unreleased things.) or Kill team ( wich.. is rumored to be world eaters.)

 

 

edit :

To add, we likely have a small preview the 1st of march ( previously it was 2 codexes + 2 characters and similar for AoS, so it could be used for World eaters and Thousand sons, but I dont think its a necessity.. I think they could use it for kill team instead, though I do think all 3 will be shown before Adepticon, even if adepticon predates the possibly unaccounted for release weeks.)

At this point I’ve just given up on expecting it , they’ve had me hooked for 3 weeks of possibly releasing it but not gonna expect them to actually release it any earlier anymore, just a waste of my energy 

[01RTB01]

There's also the kill team separate releases for tankbustas/ wrecka Boyz and ratlings to throw in presumably along with the next kill team bigger box.

[Macidious]

24 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

There's also the kill team separate releases for tankbustas/ wrecka Boyz and ratlings to throw in presumably along with the next kill team bigger box.

Yeah at this point it’s just wake me up when the codex leaks or they actually want money and announce the ec box cause until then I don’t care