EC Rumours

[LSM]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

...Renegades/Legionaires and Noise marines being 2 different things isnt new, however in 3rd edition the concepts got "merged" basically going forward the legionaires where called noise marines with minimal access to a sober version of their main weapons. What have been Noise marines since then are the Emperors children legionaires ( miniaturewise speaking.) lore and rules are adapted to it, but with GW the visuals (miniatures) dictate direction...

 

Because the name Noise marines has been tied to the legionaires for most of the game's lifespan I can see them keeping the name..  honestly after eightbound I can even see it being something like Noise marines and Exalted noise marines...

That's my hope.

 

What's in a name? That which we call a Noise Marine by any other name would rock just as hard.

 

2nd edition folded the Emperor's Children Renegades and Noise Marines together - an easy task, as both were pleasure-addicted sensorians. If this release splits them into two units, good. Great - split them into three! So long as they don't lose their classic aesthetics. (Including inlaid speakers and extended vox grills.)

Edited November 21 by LSM

[StrangerOrders]

Shifting the topic a little bit, I am left curious about two topics:

 

1. What colour scheme are we going to see as the baseline? Some variant of purple, gold and white like 30k or the antediluvian pink and black? I do not see the scheme for the limited release Noise Marine on the simple premise of masochism not necessarily selling when its about painting minis. Personally the shining gold and magenta/hot-pink shown in Lords of Excess appeals. Especially with the bronze-gold vaguely metallic skin tone used.

 

 

2. Are they going to go in the more AoE or single target design language with Noise Weapons? I've seen both be discussed alot in the lore (lance often being a descriptor for such cases) but mechanically I recall their always skewing to a vaguely disappointing artillery weapon. Or is it more plausible that the kit will come with multiple types of Sonic weapons?

Edited November 21 by StrangerOrders

[01RTB01]

4 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

Shifting the topic a little bit, I am left curious about two topics:

 

1. What colour scheme are we going to see as the baseline? Some variant of purple, gold and white like 30k or the antediluvian pink and black? I do not see the scheme for the limited release Noise Marine on the simple premise of masochism not necessarily selling when its about painting minis. Personally the shining gold and magenta/hot-pink shown in Lords of Excess appeals. Especially with the bronze-gold vaguely metallic skin tone used.

 

2. Are they going to go in the more AoE or single target design language with Noise Weapons? I've seen both be discussed alot in the lore (lance often being a descriptor for such cases) but mechanically I recall their always skewing to a vaguely disappointing artillery weapon. Or is it more plausible that the kit will come with multiple types of Sonic weapons?

I'm hoping for them finally doing the every colour colour scheme that induces eye pain. 

 

The pink and black is too bland for how they've always been described. It's time they went crazy. However, I'd bet pink and black although it's a great opportunity for reinvention and following what's in all the fluff.

[Lord Marshal]

If GW aren't cowards they'll be pink.

[01RTB01]

23 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

If GW aren't cowards they'll be pink.

Surely if they aren't cowards they'll be ever colour under the sun?

[DeadFingers]

Chances are they'll keep their usual black and pink colour scheme, just applied to the new models. Might show a bit more of the classic rainbow smorgasbord on the Noise Marines.

 

The Codex will probably, hopefully, also contain some alternative colour schemes. Maybe a bit of the 30k purple, white and gold, a bit of the oldhammer eclectic brightness? That'd be nice to see.

Edited November 21 by DeadFingers

[darkhorse0607]

4 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Surely if they aren't cowards they'll be ever colour under the sun?

 

If they don't induce nausea like they do in the books then the refresh is dead

[redmapa]

It's going to be raging pink and lingerie black but I would also love to see the insane inducing excessive amounts of colors like what they did with the noise marine anniversary model awhile back.

[Marshal Loss]

Hopefully they'll stick with the black and pink. It's the most iconic (and best) look for me by far. But I do look forward to seeing the community go to town on the new sculpts with weirder schemes

[-DonCorleone-]

1 hour ago, DeadFingers said:

Chances are they'll keep their usual black and pink colour scheme, just applied to the new models. Might show a bit more of the classic rainbow smorgasbord on the Noise Marines.

 

The Codex will probably, hopefully, also contain some alternative colour schemes. Maybe a bit of the 30k purple, white and gold, a bit of the oldhammer eclectic brightness? That'd be nice to see.

They’ll definitely add a pre heresy warband colour. The Thousand Sons got Crimson Sons, Death Guard got Pallid Hand, and World Eaters  got Gladiator Cadre 331.

[grailkeeper]

So in the early 90s when noise marines first reached the scene they'd have been parodying rock/metal groups like Motley Cru from the previous 10 odd years with their loud guitars and mad stage outfits. These acts were seen a bit like dinosaurs after Grunge music swept them away. 

 

I dont expect GW to update the musical style parody to modern times, but if they did what kind of acts would noise marines parody now? The Black Eyed Peas?

Edited November 21 by grailkeeper

[TheMawr]

50 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

So in the early 90s when noise marines first reached the scene they'd have been parodying rock/metal groups like Motley Cru from the previous 10 odd years with their loud guitars and mad stage outfits. These acts were seen a bit like dinosaurs after Grunge music swept them away. 

 

I dont expect GW to update the musical style parody to modern times, but if they did what kind of acts would noise marines parody now? The Black Eyed Peas?

 

Steel Panther

[ThePenitentOne]

If you wanted to parody music from the past 10 years, Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the dominant forces in the industry.

 

There's still plenty of good metal out there- korn, slipknot...

 

More theatrical but still metal (or at least hard rock), you've got Avatar and Ghost... Dimmu Borgir is heavier, and have a demonic vibe on top of that.

 

Kiss will always work, even though well past the prime. I was going to take a joke pic of my McFarlane Sister surrounded by the four McFarlane Psycho Circus figures for a Sister vs. Noise marine scene.

 

I always thought Noise marines needed a vehicle mounted drum kit. It would be a nice antagonist to the SoB Exorcist. 

21 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

Steel Panther

Okay, that was a spit take.

 

Best laugh I've had all day.

[Redsun]

Probably throw a curve ball and give us Ed Sheeran marines with ginger plumes

[StrangerOrders]

If we wanted to be that accurate to the 90s then GW should release EC as an army of 50-60 year old Administratum workers with Chaos shirts insisting that they are still young and rebellious. 

 

Their army rule could be 'power from arthritis'.

 

If updated then Daft Punk would be a hilarious choice. Otherwise I am not ready for a Power Vape Pen and to freehand that many tattoos. 

Edited November 21 by StrangerOrders

[grailkeeper]

17 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

If you wanted to parody music from the past 10 years, Beyonce and Taylor Swift are the dominant forces in the industry.

 

 

They still are, but the acts and genres thr Noise Marines were drawing from were distinctly "passed it" by the time those models came out. Who'd be out of fashion in the same way now?

[Mana]

I respect the people that like and paint their EC pink and gold, but I'm a pink and black guy myself, hellraiser all the way.

 

And GW will change the lore all the time, at this stage I just focus on the fluff that I like.

[DeadFingers]

32 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

They still are, but the acts and genres thr Noise Marines were drawing from were distinctly "passed it" by the time those models came out. Who'd be out of fashion in the same way now?

It's harder to pinpoint something as passé nowadays, at least musically speaking, because with the advent of the Internet there's no such thing as a genre or style being "out of date" in the way they used to. Both artists and audiences are no longer at the mercy of what the musical industry deems to be "in", at least not in such an absolute manner anymore. Now it's just specific artists that rise and fall, instead of whole genres and "attitudes", as glam did when grunge came knocking. Even if a particular genre loses the attention of the general public, it'll still have an audience that no longer depends on the radio or buying records to access what they like. You'd think dubstep would be exactly it, and it does fit perfectly with the Noise Marines, as many Youtube videos can attest to, but the genre is still alive and well, it just doesn't get as much attention as it used to.

 

With all that said, there is a particular formation that fell out of fashion, at least in the western world, and you really don't see anymore. Boy bands. The concept has disappeared pretty much everywhere but Korea, and K-pop might as well be an entirely different beast that stole the thunder and absorbed the lifeforce of the concept. You don't really see any Backstreet Boys, N-Syncs, Jonas Brothers or One Directions out there these days, even if their music is still popular.

 

And hell, I can absolutely see a group of Noise Marines pulling the Bye Bye Bye choreography in the middle of a warzone. In full denim too.

Edited November 22 by DeadFingers

[Xanthous]

56 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

Who'd be out of fashion in the same way now?

Dubstep, unfortunately

[ThePenitentOne]

51 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

And hell, I can absolutely see a group of Noise Marines pulling the Bye Bye Bye choreography in the middle of a warzone. In full denim too.

 

Ain't no lie :-)

[LSM]

8 hours ago, StrangerOrders said:

Shifting the topic a little bit, I am left curious about two topics:

 

1. What colour scheme are we going to see as the baseline? Some variant of purple, gold and white like 30k or the antediluvian pink and black? I do not see the scheme for the limited release Noise Marine on the simple premise of masochism not necessarily selling when its about painting minis. Personally the shining gold and magenta/hot-pink shown in Lords of Excess appeals. Especially with the bronze-gold vaguely metallic skin tone used.

 

[SNIP]

 

2. Are they going to go in the more AoE or single target design language with Noise Weapons? I've seen both be discussed alot in the lore (lance often being a descriptor for such cases) but mechanically I recall their always skewing to a vaguely disappointing artillery weapon. Or is it more plausible that the kit will come with multiple types of Sonic weapons?

 

1. If anyone's interested, I did a little history of the Emperor's Children's oft-changing colour schemes over in the Chaos board.

 

My initial thought was that they'd go with the sort of mauvy-pink and black/silver look that the last few codexes have had. This would also tie into the look that they've gone for with the Slaanesh daemons.

 

My second thought was that they'd go with the colouring from the 2015 painting guide's Noise Marine. That is mainly black (with a generous purple highlight), gold trim, pale pink helmet, and red accents.

 

I'd like the (to me classic) pink and black (with freedom for leopard/zebra print, etc). Hammer & Bolter's episode Eternal had Lucius and friends in the scheme most recently, as was the Emperor's Children Marine on the 2022 Chosen box. (Although that was a duller pink than I'd like.)

 

Of course, there is literally a (layer) paint named "Emperor's Children"...

 

 

2. Not entirely sure what they'll do with Sonic Weapons. Generally, Sonic Blasters have been Bolter-esque, with advantages of shot volume (heh) and mobility. Blastmasters have long had two firing modes, offering flexibility (like superior Missile Launchers). Doom Sirens are Flamer-esque, with occasional points of advantage.

 

With Bolters being confirmed (by Valrak), as well as Plasma Guns, the Sonic Blaster might somewhat need a new role. More shots is traditional at this point, but a bit boring. There are a couple things from HH that I find interesting: the low Strength of the Sonic Lance... maybe paired with some special rule to make up for it. And the psychic shenanigans of the Cacophony. Bringing back a sort of Pinning/Ignores Cover effect could also be interesting.

 

Sonic Blaster history:

1. R 24", S User (4 for Noise Marine, 6 for Master), AP-2. Master could fire single shot at S 6+d6 (max 10), causing D d6, and bypassing armour, but had a chance of being overwhelmed by the pleasure of the shot and needing to roll a six to recover.
2. R 36", S 4, AP-2. Sustained Fire 2D, +1 To-Hit within 12".
3. R 24", S 4, AP 5, Assault 2 OR Heavy 3.
4. R 24", S 4, AP 5, Assault 2 OR Heavy 3.
5. -
6. R 24", S 4, AP 5, Salvo 2/3, Ignores Cover.
7. -
8. R 24", S 4, AP 0, D1, Assault 3, Ignores Cover.
9. R 24", S 4, AP 0, D1, Assault 3, +1 Damage at half range.
10. R 24", S 5, AP 0, D1, Assault 3.

Blastmaster history:

1. NA.
2. R 40", S 4+d6, AP -3, Dd6, Move or Fire, 2" Blast marker, rolled 8+3d6 (!) against vehicles.
3. R 48", S 4+d6, AP 5, Heavy 1 Blast // 3.5. Varied Frequency: R 36", S 5, AP 5, Assault 2, Pinning; Single Frequency: R 36", S 8, AP 4, Heavy 1 Blast.
4. Varied Frequency: R 36", S 5, AP 4, Assault 2, Pinning; Single Frequency: R 48", S 8, AP 3, Heavy 1 Blast, Pinning.
5. -
6. Varied Frequency: R 36", S 5, AP 4, Assault 2, Pinning, Ignores Cover; Single Frequency: R 48", S 8, AP 3, Heavy 1 Blast, Pinning, Ignores Cover.
7. -
8. Varied Frequency: R 36", S 4, AP -1, D1, Assault d6, Ignores Cover; Single Frequency: R 48", S 8, AP -2, D d3, Heavy d3, Ignores Cover.
9. Varied Frequency: R 36", S 5, AP -1, Attacks 6, +1 Damage at half range; Single Frequency: R 48", S 8, AP -2, D 3, Heavy 3, +1 Damage at half range.
10. Varied Frequency: R 36", S 6, AP -1, Attacks 6; Single Frequency: R 48", S 9, AP -2, D 3, Heavy 3.

Doom Siren

1. NA.
2. Unique template (~1" either side a straight line), Strength started at 7, and worsened by 1 for every 3" travelled. AP started at -3, and worsened by 1 for every 6" travelled.
3. Template, S 4+d6, AP 6, Assault 1 // Template, S 4, AP 5, Assault 1, Ignores Cover, enemies in base contact always strike at Initiative order.
4. Template, S 5, AP 3, Assault 1.
5. -
6. Template, S 5, AP 3, Assault 1.
7. -
8. R 8", S 5, AP -2, D1, Assault d6, Auto-Hit, Ignores Cover.
9. R 12", S 6, AP -1, D1, Torrent d6, +1 Damage at half range.
10. R 12", S 6, AP -1, D1, Torrent d6.

Cacophony (HH)

1. R 36", S 6, AP 5, Heavy 1, Gets Hot, Pinning, Bio-Psychic Shock (damaged units take d6 follow-up wounds if they fail a modified Leadership test).
2. R 36", S 6, AP 5, Assault 3, Gets Hot, Pinning, Shell Shock (1), Deflagrate.

Sonic Lance (HH)

1. (Uniquely Eidolon's "Death Scream".) Template, S2, AP -, Assault 1, Rending, Pinning, One Use Only.
2. Template, S2, AP -, Assault 1, Breaching (6+), Pinning. (Eidolon's Death Scream replaces Breaching (6+) with Rending (6+).)

Another consideration I'd give would be to the other sonic weapon in the game: the Eldar's Vibro Cannon.

• In 4th, they were R 36", S 4, AP -, Heavy 1, Pinning. When a unit of Vibro Cannons fired, if any hit then the player drew a line 36" long and any unit touched suffered d6 hits. For every Vibro Cannon past the first which hit, the Strength of the guns increased by 1. Any Vehicle hit automatically took a Glancing Hit.
• In 7th, they were R 48", S 7, AP 4, Heavy 1, Pinning. When firing, for every weapon which hit, the Strength and AP were improved by 1.
• In 8th, they were R 48", S 7, AP -1, D2, Heavy d3. For every Vibro Cannon that hits the enemy, increase the AP by 1 (to a max of AP -3) and add +1 to the Wound roll (to a max of +2).
• In 9th, they were R 48", S 7, AP -1, D2, Heavy d6. If two Vibro Cannons target the same unit, they Auto-Hit. If three Vibro Cannons target the same unit, they are improved to Heavy 1+d6.
• In 10th, they are R 48", S 8, AP -1, D2, Heavy d6.

[01RTB01]

The Kakophoni got an update in 1.0 whereby they gained a second shot. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Taylor Swift is Britney Spears without the incredible talent or jaw dropping beauty. If there's any artist to be taking inspiration from its her. Britney Spears is a goddess. 

 

@LSM If GW aren't cowards and Eldar have a Vibro Cannon surely EC should get the Vibrator Cannon. 

 

I would not be surprised if the standard paint scheme we see used for marketing is similar to the one used on the cover of Renegades: Lords of Excess. 

[LSM]

A thought about the Renegades: Lord of Excess cover: I really like the EC symbol, as presented there.

 

It's... chaotic. Scruffy, gnarled, twisted, fiery. However you want to describe it.

 

The previewed shoulder pads are so "refined" in comparison. They look too pre-Heresy to me; I would have liked them to have been more like that cover.

[grailkeeper]

11 hours ago, Xanthous said:

Dubstep, unfortunately

 

This makes a lot of sense. I wonder if they'll lean into at all. A Skrillex head might be possible, but a DeadMau5 helmet might be a bit much. A DJ booth on a vehicle would be cool.