EC Rumours

[StrangerOrders]

Is it bad that I am hopeful the limited range is true and word gets out?

 

Its a fools hope but it would be nice if it turned enough scalpers off that it will make grabbing a box easier lol.

 

After all, rules come and go but models remain.

 

Jokes aside, the unit limitations convince me more and more that Noise Marines are going to really hurt vehicles and monsters. Between the more direct comparison to havocs and what seems like a relative lack of anti-tank it seems they are leaning nore towards the 'enough of these guyd have killed Titans' side of their lore.

Edited Sunday at 09:25 PM by StrangerOrders

[01RTB01]

I'd genuinely be surprised if possessed aren't in there. However, with the flawless blades coming, I wonder if they'd be seen as superfluous?

 

However, going full possessed surely fits with EC? Glad I haven't bought any in advance of this dropping.

 

All said, very excited and order placed. Fingers crossed now for allocations...

[Macidious]

Ok I think in my mind these are the 2 options

 

1) Slaanesh demons have datasheets in the book and ec get limited access to them which will end up being this list of datasheets:

 

-Fulgrim 
-Lucius 
-Lord Kakophonist 
-Lord Exultant 
-Demon Prince on foot
-Demon Prince With wings 
-Chaos sorcerer 

-Lord in terminator armour 
-Tormentors 
-Infractors 
-Noise Marines 
-Flawless blades 
-Terminators 
-Spawn
-Rhino 
-Land Raider 
-Helldrake 
-Maulerfiend 
-Keeper of Secrets 
-Shalaxi Hellbane 
-Daemonettes 
-Fiends

 

2) Slaanesh demon datasheets aren’t in the codex and they’re instead an ally rule where like 2k list you can take 500 points or 750 points and in that case we will have these datasheets: 

 

-Fulgrim 
-Lucius 
-Lord Kakophonist 
-Lord Exultant 
-Demon Prince on foot
-Demon Prince With wings 
-Chaos sorcerer 
-Tormentors 
-Infractors 
-Noise Marines 
-Flawless blades 
-Terminators 
-Spawn
-Rhino 
-Land Raider 
-Helldrake 
-Maulerfiend 
-Forgefiend 
-Defiler 
-Hellbrute 
-Vindicator 
-Terminator Lord
 

I hole number 2 is the correct one personally 

 

 

[Mogger351]

14 minutes ago, Macidious said:

Ok I think in my mind these are the 2 options

 

1) Slaanesh demons have datasheets in the book and ec get limited access to them which will end up being this list of datasheets:

 

-Fulgrim 
-Lucius 
-Lord Kakophonist 
-Lord Exultant 
-Demon Prince on foot
-Demon Prince With wings 
-Chaos sorcerer 

-Lord in terminator armour 
-Tormentors 
-Infractors 
-Noise Marines 
-Flawless blades 
-Terminators 
-Spawn
-Rhino 
-Land Raider 
-Helldrake 
-Maulerfiend 
-Keeper of Secrets 
-Shalaxi Hellbane 
-Daemonettes 
-Fiends

 

2) Slaanesh demon datasheets aren’t in the codex and they’re instead an ally rule where like 2k list you can take 500 points or 750 points and in that case we will have these datasheets: 

 

-Fulgrim 
-Lucius 
-Lord Kakophonist 
-Lord Exultant 
-Demon Prince on foot
-Demon Prince With wings 
-Chaos sorcerer 
-Tormentors 
-Infractors 
-Noise Marines 
-Flawless blades 
-Terminators 
-Spawn
-Rhino 
-Land Raider 
-Helldrake 
-Maulerfiend 
-Forgefiend 
-Defiler 
-Hellbrute 
-Vindicator 
-Terminator Lord
 

I hole number 2 is the correct one personally 

 

 

They've explicitly stated they're in the book, so option 1 is almost a certainty.

[crimsondave]

I haven’t played 10th at all so maybe I missed the memo but for CSMs can’t you use 25% of your points cult legions?  Can the cult legions not use 25% on regular CSMs?

[Mana]

There is so much wild speculation here about the future of daemons and most of them I strongly disagree.

 

To me daemons will remain an index for 10th (like they did with deathwatch). The 5 detachments we already have are like a codex more o less. And 11th edition we will see next year, I highly doubt they will squat the faction, this is like my opinion anyway.

 

Which was the last erased faction from 40k? Don't remember, daemonkin? Inquisition came back with Imperial Agents more or less.

 

I'm happy we are getting the release at last! I will skip the army set and wait for the combat patrol, even if I were to buy it now, I would start painting them like next year, and the cards and codex would be like paperweight to me.

[Elazar The Glorified]

16 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

I haven’t played 10th at all so maybe I missed the memo but for CSMs can’t you use 25% of your points cult legions?  Can the cult legions not use 25% on regular CSMs?

 

Not in the Indexes, we technically don't know otherwise as Emperor's Children will be the first Cult Legion to get a Codex this edition so we don't fully know the design direction with these bits.

 

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Various lists and guesses.

 

I think we have to assume those rumours/leaks were right about what's not in there, we know there are some Daemons and GW have specifically pictured and/or mentioned some on the stream. Beyond those we don't know if any others will be included. Looking at the datasheets that misses out it'd be odd for any 1 of those to be included but the others left out. Leaving out all the infantry characters, cavalry and Chariots is a neat place to cut even if a tad arbitrary and difficult to understand. Although, if Legion of the First Prince is anything to go by in Age of Sigmar, the random inclusion of just the Hellflayer of all things can't be ruled out! 

 

We know there are 22 datasheet cards. We know that's every unit in the Codex as it says so in the article. I'm really curious as to what that last one could be. Maybe a Terminator character? I'm going to cling to the forlorn hope of it being Fabius until somebody puts the contents page in front of me 

[ThePenitentOne]

1 hour ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

It does make sense to not include every single Daemon unit though. Especially all the characters. The Infernal Rapturess or Contorted Epitome are great in AoS but really don't fit in 40k. 

 

 

It doesn't make sense if you're eliminating the Daemon dex though, because that means that effectively ANY Slaanesh Daemon not in this book is Legends at best.

 

So while you may not feel like Shalaxi fits in an EC army, if he ain't here, he ain't anywhere.

 

And frankly, I think the Infernal Enrapturess is actually more appropriate than any other Daemon model to be in an army known for Noise Marines, and I was looking forward to fielding them together, and I might add that I probably still will. It is not uncommon to find myself fixing the most egregious of GW's stupid and unnecessary mistakes.

 

To those of you celebrated the consolidation of daemons into god -aligned books, enjoy the congratulations now, because I think you might be about to find you've lost as much or more than those of us who knew this was a bad idea thought you would. And let me just say that I will be more than happy to eat those words if be some small miracle GW finds a way to hand onto more than the small collection of Daemons these god-books will provide.

Edited Sunday at 10:53 PM by ThePenitentOne

[Indy Techwisp]

50 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

I haven’t played 10th at all so maybe I missed the memo but for CSMs can’t you use 25% of your points cult legions?  Can the cult legions not use 25% on regular CSMs?

 

Nope.
None of the Cult Legions have been able to iirc, even back when TSons split off in 7th.

 

3 hours ago, LSM said:

Cope: maybe the 22 datasheets cards don't include the daemons, as they already have datacards?

 

Otherwise, currently (ie without Daemons): WE have 23, TS 28, and DG 32.

 

If EC only have 22 datasheets including daemons then we'd have one of the smallest armies in the game.

The Daemons are included in the codex, sadly.

That said, let's do a little thought experiment:
EC are at 22. This is with (some) Daemons and without basically all the vehicles.
The Daemons we know of are the Battleline Daemon, the Greater Daemon, the Named Greater Daemon and a Monster.
Assuming this is the pattern for 10th ed Cult Marine factions, we instantly hit an issue.
Namely, Daemons not lining up.
Khorne can grab Bloodletters, Bloodthirsters, Scarbrand and Flesh Hounds. (Presumably not the Bloodcrushers so the WE Cav can ride the Juggernaughts.)
Nurgle can grab Great Unclean Ones, Rotigus and Beasts of Nurgle, but is their Battleline Poxwalkers or Nurglings?
Tzeentch can grab Lords of Change and Kairos Fateweaver, but do they get both Horrors as Battleline due to the splitting mechanics? And is their Beast Screamers or Flamers?

The missing vehicles also don't line up.
If we assume GW knows what's coming in their own codexes, then TSons have to be keeping both the Helbrute and Heldrake as both show up in SMII. If they're keeping those, what generic vehicle that the EC kept do they lose to keep the Helbrute? Maybe it's what TSons are keeping in place of the Terminators since they have their own unique ones already? Did the EC even actually lose the Helbrute? The assumption they'll get a Termie character because they have Terminators isn't bulletproof as shown by WE, so that could be the final 22nd datasheet.

 

10 of the 22 EC datasheets are confirmed CSM Imports and 4 are Daemons.
For WE, of their 23 datasheets, 5 are sheets EC have lost (assuming that the WE MoE is their replacement for inheriting a Sorc).
If WE gain only 1 new unit in addition to their 4 Daemons, then they have broke even (and if rumours are true they may also gain another unit from Kill Team).
 

For DG, of their 32 datasheets, 8 are sheets EC have lost (this assumes the DG Termie Sorc isn't considered a replacement for the normal Sorc).
If DG gain only 4 Daemons + the confirmed 1 character, they end up with 29 datasheets in total (30 if they get both Battleline options and the Monster Daemon).

 

For TSons, of their 28 datasheets, 8 are sheets the EC have lost (this also assumes the TSons Termie Sorc isn't retained, which is easier to guess since TSons also inherited the basic Sorc).
If TSons gain only 4 Daemons and the rumoured Psy-Automa, they end up with 25 datasheets (26 if they get both Horrors).
[Side note: for TSons this would mean of the 25 sheets they have only 9 are actually Thousand Sons units (including the Robots) with the rest being Imports from CSM, Daemons and AoS.]

 

IMO, if this is accurate then we can expect to also lose the rest of the CSM Imports later on.
To me, this means we may possibly be looking at getting the Divergent Chapter treatment at some point.
Either that or a big enough wave to make us all into proper armies again.

Edited Sunday at 11:03 PM by Indy Techwisp

[Indy Techwisp]

...chiming back in with a thought:
What are the chances that the Cult Marines do get the ability to directly steal units from CSM in the codex and the stuff that's staying is doing so only for unique ability reasons?

 

I.E All the Cult Marines can take a Chaos Predator, but they're all the same as the CSM one already, so we instead just soup it.
But EC have a different ability for the EC Land Raider, so they have a specific datasheet for it.

Edited Sunday at 11:21 PM by Indy Techwisp

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

There is so much wild speculation here about the future of daemons and most of them I strongly disagree.

 

To me daemons will remain an index for 10th (like they did with deathwatch). The 5 detachments we already have are like a codex more o less. And 11th edition we will see next year, I highly doubt they will squat the faction, this is like my opinion anyway.

There's also the possibility of whatever the next part of the Vashtorr plot does may include daemon shenanigans as part of the end of edition campaign books.

[LSM]

2 hours ago, crimsondave said:

I haven’t played 10th at all so maybe I missed the memo but for CSMs can’t you use 25% of your points cult legions?  Can the cult legions not use 25% on regular CSMs?

 

Up to 25% of a Codex CSM army can be Cult Troops (from the Cult Legions), but only the Cult Troops. (So: Khorne Berzerkers, Rubric Marines, Plague Marines, Noise Marines.)

 

The Cult Legions cannot borrow units from Codex CSMs; they frequently have Cult Legion versions (ie. World Eaters Master of Executions) with their own rules.

 

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The Imperial Agents datasheet cards total 31, which I assume includes all 26 datasheets (plus Combat Patrol and Army Rules cards).

 

Of those 26 Imperial Agent datasheets, there are: Sisters of Battle, Immolator, and Grey Knight Terminators.

 

So if 'Agents got datacards for those, I assume any daemons in the book will likewise be in the 22 count.

 

As such, we only have one unit that is unknown. (Leading contenders IMO: Forgefiend, Seekers.)

[Rain]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

...chiming back in with a thought:
What are the chances that the Cult Marines do get the ability to directly steal units from CSM in the codex and the stuff that's staying is doing so only for unique ability reasons?

 

I.E All the Cult Marines can take a Chaos Predator, but they're all the same as the CSM one already, so we instead just soup it.
But EC have a different ability for the EC Land Raider, so they have a specific datasheet for it.

This would make sense. That said, GW’s decisions are made by a cat that knocks over random jars with random ideas scribbled onto Post It’s within each jar. Pray that the cat knocks over the “let all cult Legions just take CSM vehicles from the CSM book” jar.

[01RTB01]

The codex is 112 pages. Comparatively the orks codex is 152 pages. That's nearly a third less book, slim for sure. 

[Redcomet]

Good luck getting the box for those who want one. I have modified my plans and will only get Fulgrim now. As much as I like the range, it is a very small one.

[Nephaston]

4 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

The codex is 112 pages. Comparatively the orks codex is 152 pages. That's nearly a third less book, slim for sure. 

Inb4 they forgot to include daemons in the launch box codex. Just imagine the kind of implosion that would cause.

[Fire Golem]

Tbh I’m more and more glad I’m mainly getting these for 30k. None of the 40k rules-side news is exciting in any way. 

[Fire Golem]

Tbh I’m more and more glad I’m mainly getting these for 30k. None of the 40k rules-side news is exciting in any way. 

[Mogger351]

10 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

Tbh I’m more and more glad I’m mainly getting these for 30k. None of the 40k rules-side news is exciting in any way. 

I'm finding it exciting, not because of or for EC, but because it's a big shift for 40k and I'm excited to see what the future holds once they stop the cloak and daggers about it all.

[Hathor42]

12 hours ago, LSM said:

 

From the video we can also get a better look at the piece's Tormentor/Infractor Champion with Phoenix Power Spear (fingers crossed it's actually in the kit) and folks with a variety of cooler shoulder pads, as well as Cultists.

 

 

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The only way it would make sense (to me) is if there were options for Icon(s), Combat Drug Dispenser, and Doom Siren. (But I doubt it.)

 

Hehe there's two cultists in that pic on either side of the guy with the spear. 

[Mogger351]

Plus note, articles and image leaks should start now

[Macidious]

39 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Plus note, articles and image leaks should start now

I’m so excited to see official ec rules for the first time 

[Chapter Master Valrak]

Boxset price is £145

Spoke about it in my latest video today:

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Halandaar]

Breaking - army set is the same price as the other two army sets released in the last 6 weeks

[Fire Golem]

20 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

Breaking - army set is the same price as the other two army sets released in the last 6 weeks

To be fair, part of me was slightly worried about a price increase - it seems like such a better deal than the Gitmob one for example.