EC Rumours

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, Macidious said:

Don’t suppose anyone has any codex photo leaks of lore? Like what fulgrims been up to 

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmperorsChildren/s/DkP5Qi8QrG

 

Only this one so far along with the land raider sheet.

[BitsHammer]

1 hour ago, Macidious said:

Don’t suppose anyone has any codex photo leaks of lore? Like what fulgrims been up to 

All I have seen was posted here. I would repost it but apparently the filesize is excessive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmperorsChildren/s/G6kaY2P3j2

[Tokugawa]

EC version KoS and Shalaxi are weaker than current daemon version(no fnp).  Would daemon index also change datasheets?

[BitsHammer]

3 minutes ago, Tokugawa said:

EC version KoS and Shalaxi are weaker than current daemon version(no fnp).  Would daemon index also change datasheets?

No idea. It's not impossible but then again they might have nerfed their loaned out counterparts to prevent wonky combos.

 

Honestly the studio has become increasingly opaque when it comes to communication this edition and that is frustrating as a player. They don't even put articles up everytime points and FAQs come out.

[HeadlessCross]

8 minutes ago, BitsHammer said:

Honestly the studio has become increasingly opaque when it comes to communication this edition and that is frustrating as a player. They don't even put articles up everytime points and FAQs come out.

I noticed this trend as well. What was it, about 1 or 2 weeks ago there was a random update?

[Marshal Loss]

Feeling positive about the second tranche of datasheet leaks. I'm disappointed that the Lord Exultant can't be attached to Flawless Blades, but really pleased with his array of options. Tormentors/Infractors look great and have some real playability, which I'm super happy about as it's nice to want to take actual troops in the army. Unsure whether I want to build my DP with wings or not as both options look very good. 

 

Can't wait to get my hands on some of these models! I'm leaning towards a Slaanesh's Chosen detachment as my first project 'theme' with a bunch of Lords Exultant running around, but we'll see. Much like the Legion trait I expect to flit from thrill to thrill. 

[Dr_Ruminahui]

I second what the Marshall says, particularly in relation to our battleline choices.  I'll be sorry to give up my 50 point objective grabbing cultists, but the Tormentors seem a pretty good fill in - plus, and while I may have a head full of best case scenarios, [Precision] meltaguns strike me as really sweet.  That said, the cultist sticky objectives is better, the enemy only removing it if holding the objective at the end of turn, rather end of phase like the EC one (so, with EC an enemy could move onto the objective and remove the "stickiness" at the end of phase, then charge off of it - while with cultists they would need to forgo the charge and stay there to the end of turn to remove your control).

 

Its interesting comparing the units we do get from the CSM codex, in that the rules do seem to have shifted.  The EC sorcerer is a downgrade of the CSM one (IMHO), as benefits from cover is strictly worse than -1 to hit and the "limit mobility" ability seems at best a side grade of the CSM mortal wounds.  On the other hand, the EC Spawn are actually useful, having an OC value and a unit ability that is more likely to be relevant (a reactive move rather than tiny OC lowering aura of the CSM one) but is still too expensive.  The rhino, interestingly, also is different - it loses its regeneration ability in the CSM codex and instead gains some mobility, letting it dump out its occupants even if it advanced and still letting said occupants shoot (but not charge).  I think that's probably better, but I would need to work out what I would want to put in it.

 

Demon prince abilities also seem better (though I can't say for sure, as I've never played them with my CSM in 10th and my recall of their exact abilities is poor).  That said, the aura buff on the foot lord strikes me as harder to trigger than one might expect.

 

Anyway, given the restricted unit listing in the EC codex, I've decided to make my EC army a new thing rather than convert my existing Emperor's Children CSM army into one... its not like I don't have 1 of every other 40K slanneshi force.  

 

Incidentally, I ran the math on the squad upgrade champions, and the lash is (almost) always better than the sword - they are the same stats except for attacks and AP, with the lash pushing through more wounds (on average) an everything but 2+ saves, where the two are tied.  For this edition, anyway.  Weird that they have S 4 power swords unlike the S 5 on everyone else.

Edited 1 hour ago by Dr_Ruminahui

[01RTB01]

I've been playing around with points. Honestly, beyond our specific units, I'm not sure you'd have the points to take the other things like raptors etc.

 

I think there'll be enough build variety with what we have to keep us happy for a long time.

 

Triple rhinos with noise marines

Lords with Infractors bombing up the board 

Fulgrim charging t1

Lucius and mates coming on via strategic reserves

 

That's 2k right there. Honestly, can't wait.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Well, with more than 25% of your points in characters, I'm not surprised you're not having trouble reaching your cap. 

[01RTB01]

14 minutes ago, Dr_Ruminahui said:

Well, with more than 25% of your points in characters, I'm not surprised you're not having trouble reaching your cap. 

Fair :) even dropping fulgrim and Lucius, the points feel like they get eaten quickly - faultless blades are hefty pointed too.

 

All said, looking forward to getting them on the table and seeing what can be done.

[01RTB01]

20 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

Really? Because on the previous page LSM said:

That tells be doubled sprues. 

Just looked at the sprues and datasheet. One is a power sword, one is the close combat weapon so no issues there. 

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Fair :) even dropping fulgrim and Lucius, the points feel like they get eaten quickly - faultless blades are hefty pointed too.

 

All said, looking forward to getting them on the table and seeing what can be done.

Lucius looks mandatory. Fulgrim...less so on first glance. That's still 400 points right there. 

[Marshal Loss]

The handful of pages of lore we've got so far are fantastic and exactly what I'd hoped for. Really keen to see more.

 

(I put the datasheets & lore bits onto imgur for my own browsing while I travel around unable to use the reddit links above, in case that's of use to anybody)