EC Rumours

[TheNicronomicon]

6 hours ago, Rain said:

Agreed as to what should be common units such as Predators, Dreadnaughts, Terminator Lords, and some others. I can only guess that these removals are for gameplay army identity reasons, but I agree that they make little sense lorewise.

 

I would imagine it's more about GW wanting to move away from old kits to newer ones than for anything gameplay related. I guess it's possible they're going to neuter cult legion armies in service to that; we'll have to see how the other three look when GW drops them. The fact that EC only have the Chaos Land Raider for long-range anti-tank is pretty crazy though.  Is there a chance of them dropping new models with the Gauntlet campaign? (Which, yes, I'd be pretty pissed about having to buy a whole separate book a few months after a codex drop just to be able to field a semi-balanced army.) (On the other hand maybe the plan is to make each cult legion really good at one specific phase of the game and complete ass at the rest of it? "They're simply too ChAoTiC to drive tanks!")

[Rain]

27 minutes ago, TheNicronomicon said:

 

I would imagine it's more about GW wanting to move away from old kits to newer ones than for anything gameplay related. I guess it's possible they're going to neuter cult legion armies in service to that; we'll have to see how the other three look when GW drops them.

This would make sense, but the Land Raider and Rhino kits are much older than the Helbrute. I suppose one could make the argument that removing these would remove all transports from EC, which was seen as unacceptable. But then they also removed the Forgefiend, but not the Maulerfiend, and that’s a dual kit. Perhaps it’s a bit of both. Who really knows.

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, Rain said:

This would make sense, but the Land Raider and Rhino kits are much older than the Helbrute. I suppose one could make the argument that removing these would remove all transports from EC, which was seen as unacceptable. But then they also removed the Forgefiend, but not the Maulerfiend, and that’s a dual kit. Perhaps it’s a bit of both. Who really knows.

 

Might not be so much the age alone. Rhino and Land raider are, well, ancient... yet I doubt GW has any priority to update them anytime soon for various reasons probably. And there is less "need" while the Hellbrute doesnt really compare to the comparative miniatures anymore, the rhino and landraider ARE the comparative miniatures most of the time, and are just as old as the others ( Wave serpent/Falcon.. the Tau ones and the guard ones.)

 

As for Predator and Vindicator, if Im being honest I dont expect them to be updated either.. but rather replaced with a more chaos specific thing. GW Mainstudio does prefer making new vehicles over updating old or very old ones.

 

But there is an important part in your last sentence "perhaps its a bit of both." I said it before (though maybe that was just on TGA), there is a tendency to assume that the consequences we see have all the (exact) same motivation, but its far more likely that them not including things in the list/removing things can have different reasons.

 

In some cases it can be as simple as there being no plastic kit now or soon ( Slaanesh herald for example.. I do suspect Nurgle and Khorne do get the herald.) in some cases it might be something standing in the way of future releases ( Forgefiend probably, I dont expect that kit to go away anytime soon.) and with others its more about creating a sense of differentiation between factions and/or settings ( The Masque, the specialised daemon heralds, CSM HQ characters.) yet for others its unclear until the other cult codexes ( Tanks, Hellbrute, Cultists.) and all of that can co exist as different motivations for the same consequence.

 

In general since the 9th edition guard and world eaters releases it has been clear that GW is done with dripfeeding removals, and went for an edition of ripping the band aid off. ( in both settings.) it might just be me naively thinking its just one aggressive move that will settle after the edition, but I do prefer it, though I think it should have been done at the index stage. ( not applyable for EC though.)

[BitsHammer]

2 hours ago, Rain said:

This would make sense, but the Land Raider and Rhino kits are much older than the Helbrute. I suppose one could make the argument that removing these would remove all transports from EC, which was seen as unacceptable. But then they also removed the Forgefiend, but not the Maulerfiend, and that’s a dual kit. Perhaps it’s a bit of both. Who really knows.

 I checked earlier: Land Raiders, Rhinos and Chaos Predator kits are from 2002. They have likely seen new molds since then to replace worn ones, but the sculpt is over 20 years old at this point and in need of something.

 

Honestly I'd love to see us get some Chaos Deimos pattern Rhinos and Predator tanks as well as Chaos MkI Land Raiders (I mean they have the base STL for all three so just make it appropriately weird and I'll buy them).