EC Rumours

[Nephaston]

I guess there's a lot of choice in codex variants; Regular, Limited army set edition, Collectors edition, and limitedest collectorest edition.

 

Prepare to not get any of them before they get scalped.

[crimsondave]

No combat patrol this week?  To they usually come later?

[01RTB01]

25 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

No combat patrol this week?  To they usually come later?

They said when they did the video that the CP would be "later in the year".

 

I've already got two of the army boxes, already had rhinos and land raiders. I picked up a daemon prince and 2 maulerfiends. As such I'll wait for the CP for flawless blades. I'll grab Fulgrim, Lucius and a lord Kakophonist for the meantime.

[Marshal Loss]

This is going to be a punishingly expensive weekend for me. Praise Slaanesh 

[Fire Golem]

Hopefully the last couple of heads are helmets so all 3 can have those sick lids

[Fire Golem]

UK prices 

[skylerboodie]

thanks @Fire Golem great to see these price lists in GBP again, no  guessing on conversion rates using comparable items for a change!

[LSM]

6 hours ago, Fire Golem said:

Hopefully the last couple of heads are helmets so all 3 can have those sick lids

 

(In the Codex there are a couple shots of the Flawless Blades from different angles, which shows that head actually is a mask and not a helmet.)

 

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Also: WarCom article (1 of 3) on designing the range.

 

A couple quibbles:

• "This sword is the Blade of Laer, which gave us an opportunity to come up with a unique design..." Not sure that follows. His sword being The Blade of the Laer would mean that it had an established look (since 2013), lessening the inherent opportunity.
• "...although he’s thoroughly depraved, he still takes pride in how he treats his weapon." Lucius previously was notable for treating his weapons with callousness, which was why before being handed down The Blade of the Laer he was armed merely with "Nineteen".

I'm very interested in what they'll say about Fulgrim (who strikes me as dissociated from the rest of the range).

 

Edited April 7 by LSM

[Fire Golem]

10 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

(In the Codex there are a couple shots of the Flawless Blades from different angles, which shows that head actually is a mask and not a helmet.)

Either way, I hope there’s 3. 

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, LSM said:

 

(In the Codex there are a couple shots of the Flawless Blades from different angles, which shows that head actually is a mask and not a helmet.)

 

//

 

Also: WarCom article (1 of 3) on designing the range.

 

A couple quibbles:

• "This sword is the Blade of Laer, which gave us an opportunity to come up with a unique design..." Not sure that follows. His sword being The Blade of the Laer would mean that it had an established look (since 2013), lessening the inherent opportunity.
• "...although he’s thoroughly depraved, he still takes pride in how he treats his weapon." Lucius previously was notable for treating his weapons with callousness, which was why before being handed down The Blade of the Laer he was armed merely with "Nineteen".

I'm very interested in what they'll say about Fulgrim (who strikes me as dissociated from the rest of the range).

 

 

Not only does the blade have a pre established look, we also have a heresy mini of Lucius WITH the blade of the Laer... Do they not realise we're not dumb? That's a bizarre statement for them to make other than the ludicrous compartmentalization they're trying to push. 

 

As for fulgrim himself, from looking at the WD511 pages it looks like the word mermaid was in there. Guess I've found my new favourite Disney princess then. I'd like to read the whole article but mermaid feels a very peculiar choice.

[Nephaston]

7 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Not only does the blade have a pre established look, we also have a heresy mini of Lucius WITH the blade of the Laer... Do they not realise we're not dumb? That's a bizarre statement for them to make other than the ludicrous compartmentalization they're trying to push. 

Funnily, 30k Lucius' Blade of the Laer, is also not consistent with Fulgrims Blade of the Laer, so if anything they're being consistently inconsistent. Or they angling it in a "first time the blade of the laer had a design in 40k" as lucius previously was only listed with a "duellists blade"

 

We can probably handwave it to the blade itself being as fickle as it's masters, and just changing shape.

[LSM]

44 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

As for fulgrim himself, from looking at the WD511 pages it looks like the word mermaid was in there. Guess I've found my new favourite Disney princess then. I'd like to read the whole article but mermaid feels a very peculiar choice.

 

His serpent bits being more aquatic (referencing past associations between Slaanesh and water, similar to Steeds of Slaanesh having fins and the Daemonettes' original "lust lobster" look) is my favourite part of the new model.

 

I was more curious about how he doesn't have: studs, leathers, straps, chains, drug lines, superfluous voxes, sonic juice canisters, etc. A lot of the classic EC aesthetic that the new range is flush with, but Fulgrim is lacking.

 

31 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Funnily, 30k Lucius' Blade of the Laer, is also not consistent with Fulgrims Blade of the Laer, so if anything they're being consistently inconsistent. Or they angling it in a "first time the blade of the laer had a design in 40k" as lucius previously was only listed with a "duellists blade"

 

We can probably handwave it to the blade itself being as fickle as it's masters, and just changing shape.

 

 

Yeah, they're definitively not 100% consistent, but they both have that distinctive "zig-zag" kink in the blade.

 

Basically, if I were sculpting a "Blade of the Laer", that would be the one thing that I felt I had to include.

 

(And I was wrong - the zig-zag predates the 2013 Fulgrim model, going back to the cover art of 2007's Fulgrim.)

 

 

Edited April 7 by LSM

[Gree]

32 minutes ago, LSM said:

I was more curious about how he doesn't have: studs, leathers, straps, chains, drug lines, superfluous voxes, sonic juice canisters, etc. A lot of the classic EC aesthetic that the new range is flush with, but Fulgrim is lacking.

 

 

I would not be surprised if all the Daemon Primarchs had been designed at the same time way back in 2015-ish.

[Rain]

6 hours ago, LSM said:

 

His serpent bits being more aquatic (referencing past associations between Slaanesh and water, similar to Steeds of Slaanesh having fins and the Daemonettes' original "lust lobster" look) is my favourite part of the new model.

It also relates to Laer being an ocean world. The idea that Fulgrim remained possessed by the Laer demon, and that his demon prince form is the possessing demon taking on a form more familiar to itself has always appealed to me.

 

The Reflection Crack’d was just a double bluff by the demon in my personal headcanon.

[Lord Abaia]

Vextor the Impulsive, of the Barbed Tongue warband, has a serious peanut allergy. He's always got his EpiPen ready to go in case he comes across a forbidden snack.

[Xenith]

5 hours ago, Lord Abaia said:

Vextor the Impulsive, of the Barbed Tongue warband, has a serious peanut allergy. He's always got his EpiPen ready to go in case he comes across a forbidden snack.

 

His rebreather helps when a brother opens a pack of peanuts on the Thunderhawk 

[LSM]

On 4/7/2025 at 11:16 AM, LSM said:

I was more curious about how he doesn't have: studs, leathers, straps, chains, drug lines, superfluous voxes, sonic juice canisters, etc. A lot of the classic EC aesthetic that the new range is flush with, but Fulgrim is lacking.

 

Third article is out, about Fulgrim. Thoughts:

• The aquatic-ness is said to be a reference to mermaids/sirens - to link to their beguiling nature in myth. (No reference to Slaanesh's previous associations to water.)
• "We also wanted to very strongly keep the telltale signs of his origin as both a Primarch and a Space Marine, so elements such as recognisable power armour and the backpack needed to remain intact." I've mentioned this before, but 40k Fulgrim is more power-armour-y than any other previous depiction of him has been. (Rounded shoulder pads, power pack, etc.) His previous art and models have tended to lack these features, instead having pointed shoulder pads (sometimes Cataphractii-y) and no backpack, etc.
• There is no mention of the classic 40k Emperor's Children aesthetic, or the (former) core concept of Slaanesh' Cult (ie Noise Marines), etc. The focus is instead on twisting the pre-Heresy Emperor's Children look. What I am a little... put-out by, is... the 30k rules take into account how the Sonic Cults were taking over, y'know? The Captain Lucius rules allow you to take him with or without the Blade of the Laer and Sonic Shriekers, allowing you to play him as he is at Isstvan III (neither) Isstvan V (Sonic Shriekers) or post- (both). Likewise, all the fancy units (Characters, Palatine Blades, Phoenix Terminators) get to take Surgical Augments (Sonic Shriekers, Sonic Lances, Sub-Sonic Pulsers) and the late Heresy, even more corrupted EC forces gain even more augments (Warp Scream, Sublingual Glands, Abhorrent Sensoria). The rest of the line managed to dodge "pre-Heresification", but it seems to have hit Fulgrim.

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, LSM said:

There is no mention of the classic 40k Emperor's Children aesthetic, or the (former) core concept of Slaanesh' Cult (ie Noise Marines), etc. The focus is instead on twisting the pre-Heresy Emperor's Children look. What I am a little... put-out by, is... the 30k rules take into account how the Sonic Cults were taking over, y'know? The Captain Lucius rules allow you to take him with or without the Blade of the Laer and Sonic Shriekers, allowing you to play him as he is at Isstvan III (neither) Isstvan V (Sonic Shriekers) or post- (both). Likewise, all the fancy units (Characters, Palatine Blades, Phoenix Terminators) get to take Surgical Augments (Sonic Shriekers, Sonic Lances, Sub-Sonic Pulsers) and the late Heresy, even more corrupted EC forces gain even more augments (Warp Scream, Sublingual Glands, Abhorrent Sensoria). The rest of the line managed to dodge "pre-Heresification", but it seems to have hit Fulgrim.

As far as I'm aware Fulgrim never really interacted with the noise aspect as much if at all. Then again, a scream attack for ranged wouldn't have been unwelcome.

 

What I do like the most about the mini is that, as confirmed in the article, you can just put it on later individually. Maybe even magnetise it. Makes me imagine Fulgrim either recreationally skinning his face off and stapling it back on later, perhaps even putting it on a rack to put his make-up on without having to rely on a mirror. Literally putting his face on.

[Lord Abaia]

2 hours ago, LSM said:

The rest of the line managed to dodge "pre-Heresification", but it seems to have hit Fulgrim.

This also comes across in his purple and gold color scheme in contrast to the pink and black of the rest of the line.

[Rain]

How many EC are “true” Noise Marines has been in flux in the past, but the past 20+ years have made it pretty clear that Noise Marines are a small piece of the greater whole, and do not define the EC in the way that, say, Butchers Nails and Berzerkers define the WE.
 

In 3.5 all CSM with the MoS became “Noise Marines”, but they retained their bolters unless upgraded to sonic weapons at cost. Terminators, Dreads, and Predators could be upgraded with sonics, but retained their normal weapons otherwise. The -1 enemy I was described as a sonic shriek that partially stunned enemies, so I guess there was that.

 

Later, it was explicitly stated that not all EC were Noise Marines (I think in the art section of the 4e codex, showing EC with bolters.) Then, the Fabius Bile trilogy  expanded on this, making it clear that Noise Marines were an insular cult within the greater Legion, wholly obsessed with the Song of Slaanesh, to the (at least partial) exclusion of the cenobite stuff that the rest of the Legion was up to.

Edited April 10 by Rain

[TheMawr]

On a bit of a sidenote ( this fits most with this topic I guess.) there has been a store update somewhere in the past week and the chaos spacemarine section now has Berzerkers, Plaguemarines and Rubric marines.. I wonder if saturday Noise marines will join.

Its curious as this listing normally doesnt include ally rules, only units that are native to the codex ( they also removed Corsairs from the drukhari listing for example, wich is what made me check around.)

 

it could be meaningless ofcourse, but I think there is a possibility now that the splitting is reaching completion in 2 days, the 4 marine types will return to be natively available to CSM soon.

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

As far as I'm aware Fulgrim never really interacted with the noise aspect as much if at all. Then again, a scream attack for ranged wouldn't have been unwelcome.

 

What I do like the most about the mini is that, as confirmed in the article, you can just put it on later individually. Maybe even magnetise it. Makes me imagine Fulgrim either recreationally skinning his face off and stapling it back on later, perhaps even putting it on a rack to put his make-up on without having to rely on a mirror. Literally putting his face on.

Depending on victory points, a different face. With "that face" reserved for playing custodes.

[jimbo1701]

On 4/7/2025 at 4:16 PM, LSM said:

 

His serpent bits being more aquatic (referencing past associations between Slaanesh and water, similar to Steeds of Slaanesh having fins and the Daemonettes' original "lust lobster" look) is my favourite part of the new model.

 

I was more curious about how he doesn't have: studs, leathers, straps, chains, drug lines, superfluous voxes, sonic juice canisters, etc. A lot of the classic EC aesthetic that the new range is flush with, but Fulgrim is lacking.

 

 

 

Yeah, they're definitively not 100% consistent, but they both have that distinctive "zig-zag" kink in the blade.

 

Basically, if I were sculpting a "Blade of the Laer", that would be the one thing that I felt I had to include.

 

(And I was wrong - the zig-zag predates the 2013 Fulgrim model, going back to the cover art of 2007's Fulgrim.)

 

 

I haven’t  seen that art in years. I forgot about manus going at it with an adjustable spanner. No wonder he was the first to die. 

[Marshal Loss]

Really enjoyed all of the design articles. Like the rest of the range it's clear a lot of time and thought and passion has been poured into the Phoenician. It's just so nice to wait so many years and it just pays off for once, y'know? So chuffed. Give it a few years and I'll be ready to put some effort into whinging about the lack of bespoke Termies but for now, I couldn't be happier.

 

Also pleased to hear that it's been designed with sub assemblies in mind because trying to paint that in one piece would put me in an early grave.

 

A chap on Facebook has Fulgrim and has tried putting him on a 100mm base, rather than the 130mm he comes with (for those 30k curious amongst us). It's a tight fit:

 

 

Blurry sprue pics

[Dr_Ruminahui]

I found this particular comment about Fulgrim quite interesting:

 

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David: The first face I designed for Fulgrim was one of the smiling faces, and while I was sculpting the rest of the miniature it was constantly in my periphery, and it inspired me to add more. I felt it important not to make one handsome, one daemonic, and so on, and so instead they’re all the same face with different expressions for each person to choose from. I also designed a helmet, which has the benefit of being simpler to paint for people who find faces daunting! It also helps to reinforce that idea that the genesis of Fulgrim is still Space Marine – it’s a very classic and subtle design like his armour. 

 

My underline.  My natural question was, why was that important to him?  I have a few criticisms about the model (I personally prefer the snake look to the eel one, and am not a fan of the peeled back skin, though I don't question those as valid design choices even if I would have preferred different ones), but my main one is that I think it was a misstep to make all the non-helmetted heads so similar... so I'm particularly curious as to why the designer felt it was important to do so.  Really, to me it makes a lot more sense to do exactly what the designer explicitly rejects - doing different heads to reflect the various different aspects of Fulgrim, and letting the owner choose which one makes the most sense for him/her.  Instead, we get 3 very similar takes of "Nicolas Cage as a vampire".

 

I guess what is putting me off about the comment is that its made like its a no-brainer to do it the way the designer did it, while for me that's true for the rejected approach instead.  I mean, I don't think I'm the only one who thinks that most EC players would have preferred the choice between a beautiful head, a demonic head and something in between instead of the 3 very similar cheese eating grins we got.

Edited April 10 by Dr_Ruminahui