Updated Space Wolves Rumours

[StrangerOrders]

5 minutes ago, Arendious said:

Perhaps if we get Russ back as an Odin-like figure we can have Bjorn take the role of Mimir. 

...You know you've played too much Dad of War when my first thought after reading this was Bjorn's Coffin hanging from Russ's belt...

[TopToffee]

11 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

For as much as I joke about it, Wulfen Leman Russ wouldn't be a good idea imo.

Man needs to come back to 40k with his mind intact so he can suffer alongside his brothers so he can better interact with the setting in an interesting way.

 

Yes. He needs to come back wise, grizzled, scarred and hard as nails.

[calgar101]

Time to stock up on some kits that face the executioners axe?

It will be interesting to see what version of Russ comes back. There's a few things I wouldn't mind see going and a shift from Wolf Wolf tone to Viking/executioner of dangerous threats but I won't hold my breath. 

[Dark Shepherd]

2 hours ago, calgar101 said:

Time to stock up on some kits that face the executioners axe?

It will be interesting to see what version of Russ comes back. There's a few things I wouldn't mind see going and a shift from Wolf Wolf tone to Viking/executioner of dangerous threats but I won't hold my breath. 

Angry Space Viking seems like itd be far superior to Petstop Wolfy McWolfface for getting new players/little Timmys into the hobby

 

Canis Wolfborn (and Krom) I can see going

[beefeb]

On 10/16/2024 at 10:35 AM, Azaiel said:

Bjorn has been one of my favorite characters in 40k so I sincerely hope hes not "Yarricked". I always liked that he was the basically the only imperial link to the far past which was otherwise shrouded in mystery and legend. And it fits so well with the Space wolf way of storytelling in their Sagas. A 10,000 year old link to the past who can truly tell how it was walking alongside Russ etc.

 

Now we have a Guilliman and Belisarius etc who link 40k to the heresy so the novelty has somewhat run off, but still. GW could do Bjorn justice by granting him a new Dreadnought chassis, I hope it looks more like the box dread most of us have a fondness for and not as a redemptor with a wolfpelt on.

 

 

I think we will see Bjorn die as Russ returns.....there will be some big Boss-fight, involving a heroic last stand by Bjorn who will be mortally wounded again, but he will hang onto life as Russ returns and proceeds to kill every bad guy in the area, then he will approach Bjorn and crack open his sarcophagus so that Bjorn may lay his own true eyes upon his lord, one last time as his life slips away...his promise to watch and hold out ill Russ's return fulfilled....a smile on his face.

That way, Bjorn dies, no new model required....no embarrassing teeny tiny dreadnought left and all lore promises fulfilled.

[Orange Knight]

I'd rather they did something more original. Perhaps Russ returns with some of the Dew from the Tree of Life in the warp, and uses it to restore Bjorn to full life as he was before he was interred.

Also could tie the story in to the Eldar Goddess of life, perhaps she managed to escape after Guilliman burned Nurgle's realm. Give some new reasons for Yvraine to exist.

[DeadFingers]

35 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Perhaps Russ returns with some of the Dew from the Tree of Life in the warp, and uses it to restore Bjorn to full life as he was before he was interred.

"Oh great Wolf King, our returned father, why didn't you use that on the Allfather who languishes upon his throne on Terra?"

[Evil Eye]

I'd really rather we didn't have Russ back, honestly. I know the complaints about the MCU-ification of 40K are quite common at this point but it really does feel like they're leaning hard into the "Look, it's THAT guy! Buy the new toy model!" school of thought.

 

Bjorn absolutely shouldn't be axed; he's utterly iconic and given his status as THE oldest living non-Primarch in the entire Imperium, it would be pretty insulting to Yarrick him offscreen. If GW are really determined to get rid of all the Castraferrum Dreadnoughts then the least they can do is give Bjorn an upgrade in a new bespoke chassis.

[Dark Shepherd]

Russ has 13th company Iron Priest that knows how to make a new dread suit for him?

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

I'd rather they did something more original. Perhaps Russ returns with some of the Dew from the Tree of Life in the warp, and uses it to restore Bjorn to full life as he was before he was interred.

Also could tie the story in to the Eldar Goddess of life, perhaps she managed to escape after Guilliman burned Nurgle's realm. Give some new reasons for Yvraine to exist.

 

[ZeroWolf]

If Bjorn goes anywhere, it'll be a new model I'd wager.

[Orange Knight]

27 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

If Bjorn goes anywhere, it'll be a new model I'd wager.

 

He's probably going right into a Redemptor chassis with a fancy ice-claw, but I would still like my restoration idea to happen lol

Edited October 17 by Orange Knight

[Crimson Longinus]

18 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

It'd be even easier to justify SW keeping their Chapter Master if Leman comes back as the Apex Wulfen or something. 

That would to me be the only acceptable and non-setting-destroying way to bring back a loyalist primarch. As a mad mutated monster, a tragic shadow of their former mythic self, that would thematically emphasise the loss of the past golden age and and the rotten state of the current era, instead of thematically countering it. Then again, they already ruined the setting with other loyalist primarchs, so it doesn't matter that much anymore. Still, it would be nice if they did something cool and interesting with primarchs for once.

[Redcomet]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

I'd really rather we didn't have Russ back, honestly. I know the complaints about the MCU-ification of 40K are quite common at this point but it really does feel like they're leaning hard into the "Look, it's THAT guy! Buy the new toy model!" school of thought.

 

Bjorn absolutely shouldn't be axed; he's utterly iconic and given his status as THE oldest living non-Primarch in the entire Imperium, it would be pretty insulting to Yarrick him offscreen. If GW are really determined to get rid of all the Castraferrum Dreadnoughts then the least they can do is give Bjorn an upgrade in a new bespoke chassis.

I have never heard that complaint before. 
 

And Bjorn will probably be in a Redemptor chassis.

[Crimson Longinus]

3 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

I have never heard that complaint before.

 

I mean it has become more and more like an embarrassing superhero soap opera these days, instead of a dark and dystopian satire it used to be.

 

 

Edited October 17 by Crimson Longinus

[Orange Knight]

Remember current 40k lore is the result of the success of the Horus Heresy. People love the Primarchs, they love these epic heroes, etc. The vote has been cast and the wallets of the many outweigh the wallets of the fiew.

[Crimson Longinus]

4 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Remember current 40k lore is the result of the success of the Horus Heresy. People love the Primarchs, they love these epic heroes, etc. The vote has been cast and the wallets of the many outweigh the wallets of the fiew.

Indeed. One would have just hoped that having a whole bloody separate dedicated game for the primarch soap opera would have been enough, but no, they have to take over 40K as well! And as it often is the case, the sequel is just dumber.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I like the Primarchs. I think GW could have written better lore for 40k and their return. But at the end of the day more Primarchs and the more 40k becomes like the HH the better - from a purely selfish pov. 

[Indy Techwisp]

On 10/16/2024 at 9:29 PM, Indy Techwisp said:

It'd be even easier to justify SW keeping their Chapter Master if Leman comes back as the Apex Wulfen or something. 

Y'know, I'm starting to think people aren't realising this is a sarcastic suggestion.

 

Feel free to scrutinised this since I am a TSons player primarily, but IMO Leman Rus returning needs to be done in a way that's different from Bobby G getting YoYo Healed by Yvranine or The Lion going on a Vision quest and gaining the ability to cast Tree Stride.

Leman Rus coming back as some kind of Giga Wulven would only really serve to make the "WolfWolves on Wolves with Wolf Guns" style memes even worse to deal with, even though it would be a very unique way for Rus to return.

 

From what I understand, Rus' story in the Heresy is one where he grows as a person as the story goes on, so Rus coming back from wherever he was looking for that Tree and immediately just reverting to Berserk Wolf-Viking mode would be putting that whole character arc to waste.

 

A Traditional Odin styled Leman Rus is also interesting (especially because then he'd be sharing certain design cues with his big red nemesis) but kinda steps on the Lion's toes of coming into 40k with a wiser and more level head.

 

Combining the two, however, could work.

A Leman Rus who has fallen to the same mutations that befall his sons, becoming the beast as it were, but rather than being a ravenous lunatic he controls it and maintains his Humanity.

He becomes the literal Wolfiest Wolf Marine, yet he is now more human than ever before.

 

Also from a sales standpoint the "Imperium Furry" crowd are already a vocal part of the fanbase but they mostly gravitate toward 3rd Party Guard Miniatures because of Felinids, so getting them into Marines would be a big money maker for GW.

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

6 hours ago, Crimson Longinus said:

That would to me be the only acceptable and non-setting-destroying way to bring back a loyalist primarch. As a mad mutated monster, a tragic shadow of their former mythic self, that would thematically emphasise the loss of the past golden age and and the rotten state of the current era, instead of thematically countering it. Then again, they already ruined the setting with other loyalist primarchs, so it doesn't matter that much anymore. Still, it would be nice if they did something cool and interesting with primarchs for once.

 

Personally I think, that Corax would the best choice for a "broken" Primarch. Not only due to all the warp/shadow stuff and years of solitary fight but also guilt - the Primaris project could nicely trigger him to do his own thing. Imperium Nihilus is a perfect setting for stories about warlords of ambigous loyalty to the imperial government. But I could settle for Khan giving in so much to the joy of ethernal hunt that he finds himself one step from falling to Slaanesh.

 

Ofcourse it would be the best not to bring more primarchs back, especially that Lion is still underutilized and his return didn't feel impactfull enough for me.

[TheMawr]

17 minutes ago, beefeb said:

 

 

I think we will see Bjorn die as Russ returns.....there will be some big Boss-fight, involving a heroic last stand by Bjorn who will be mortally wounded again, but he will hang onto life as Russ returns and proceeds to kill every bad guy in the area, then he will approach Bjorn and crack open his sarcophagus so that Bjorn may lay his own true eyes upon his lord, one last time as his life slips away...his promise to watch and hold out ill Russ's return fulfilled....a smile on his face.

That way, Bjorn dies, no new model required....no embarrassing teeny tiny dreadnought left and all lore promises fulfilled.

 

As much as the vast majority here will hate it, that same scene works very well with a wulfen russ.. except bjorn not dying with a smile on his face, in the contrary. Prophecy fulfilled.. and yet, even prophecies of hope are not always what they seem.

 

 

Fair "warning" that Russ is one of the few non-daemon Primarchs that can return as a bigger centrepiece model, and there is a chance GW will want to exploit that, the safest bet ( for most here.) would have been a dioramic situation with Russ and his wolves, but it sounds as if Logan grimnar is already taking this direction.

I dont think they do it two times in a short row, nor do I think they will let Logan grimnar outshadow russ in centrepieceness.

 

Odin russ makes sense, but it is in a way a role already taken by Ulrik's updated miniature... and I really dont expect a replacement there... I think that russ was very likely already being in his conceptual phase as Ulrik was being ok'ed.

 

I could see them going an Odin and Sleipnir ( but more wolf than horse, sorry :p) route though... Including him finally carrying the emperors spear. I think this would be my personal preference.

Personally I see that or a wulfen russ* as the most interesting directions to go, both visually and the potential it has for the lore. Though ofcourse we all have different opinions on the matter.

 

*with wich I mean not mutated to some gorilla wolf hybrid, but a more feral take and very much connected to and in charge of the wulfen th

 

 

Who knows, maybe Logan grimnar doesnt have the Sled anymore because Leman russ took it upon return :p

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair I always thought a returned Russ would have the Emperor's spear since they went to the trouble of giving Lion'el the Emperor's shield (means Dorn is a shoe in for the Emperor's fist...to replace his lost one.)

[Wispy]

On 10/16/2024 at 4:02 PM, Arendious said:

Perhaps if we get Russ back as an Odin-like figure we can have Bjorn take the role of Mimir. 

bjorn's sarcophagus bult in to Russ's backpack? 

 

Edited October 18 by Wispy

[Wispy]

2 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

To be fair I always thought a returned Russ would have the Emperor's spear since they went to the trouble of giving Lion'el the Emperor's shield (means Dorn is a shoe in for the Emperor's fist...to replace his lost one.)

There was talk he'd take the Spear of Russ and in the other hand have the Emperor's talon. 

 

Also no one wants Apex Wulfen Russ. Or Wulfen HQs. Stop. Wulfen are enough. This army is Wulfen'd out.

[Wispy]

Re: Bjorn should stay. He's an important character and been around forever in people's collections. also, I will add that a couple months ago Valrak noticed a ton of Space Wolves models were removed for what is assumed to be fresh photography... Thunderwolves, Bjorn, and Shield+Axe dreadnoughts were brought along for photography, so probably still in the army. Fine cast models like Canis, Harald, Njal and Arjac were left behind, so they're either cut or getting new minis. I paint Deathwolves so if Harald didn't get a new model I would be bummed but I get, Dark Angels didn't get  their raven wing guys redone either. 

 

 

People talking "I don't want Russ," back at this point saying "I hope fans and characters of this army are disappointed and snubbed." His return has been built into the narrative of the Space Wolves army forever... more so than Rowboat and the Lion for that matter. Now that those other two are back, anything less is a slap in the face. 

Edited October 18 by Wispy
i had already made 3 posts in a row so I'm trying to add more to an existing one instead of adding a fourth post

[Alby the Slayer]

There was a rumour some years ago about a two models type of situation for Leman Russ, like Morathi.

 

One wulfen and the other, the sage viking king.

 

And you know what?

 

Even I think it will not be the case, maybe it would not be so bad. Instead of a real comeback why not just rumors of his comeback sometimes as a more matured Leman Russ and sometimes just a monstrous black wolf come back to kill the Imperium foes?

 

With Fulgrim coming back next year I don't think we will see Russ before 11th edition.