Updated Space Wolves Rumours

[crimsondave]

38 minutes ago, Wispy said:

again i think this is meanspirited, spiteful attitude to a fanbase looking forward to the return to their primarch. 

Come on.  It’s not “mean spirited” to have a different opinion/preference.  I want all the alive ones back but I understand those who don’t.

[HeadlessCross]

7 hours ago, Marshall Bretton said:

 

It's the wider impact of all those actions which matters, the grand strategic context, not the low level tactical points. But I will Agreed to disagree :)

 

 

That's definitely not doing a good job of focusing on the "bigger picture". There's no "oh I pretend to be dumb" here. Russ is straight dumb. 

[Wispy]

23 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I disagree with this because it's already started happening.

 

5 Primarchs are now running around in 40k. It makes no different at this point if it's 5, 7 or more.

'Rule of 3 Loyalists' vs the 4 reps of the Chaos Gods feels like the magic number for me, +Abbadon as a pseudo-Primarch. But I won't rain on other first founding folks parades if GW decide to do more. "Bring them all back," never occurred to me though. 

 

From the loyalist side, Robbie, Lion, and Russ feels... complete? They 3/5 of the most prominent Space Marine rulebook with strong "Primarch still alive" lore baked in. I've never had the impression from Blood Angels and Black Templar enthusiasts that they've been itching to get Dorn or Sanguinis back but I welcome any of their fans to challenge me on that.

 

I can see how more might be fun... Perturabo as a mechanical-daemon prince monstrosity would be a lot of fun, as would a Warp-born Sanguinius ghost-character could be cool too. 

Edited October 19 by Wispy

[Redcomet]

On 10/17/2024 at 5:19 PM, Crimson Longinus said:

 

I mean it has become more and more like an embarrassing superhero soap opera these days, instead of a dark and dystopian satire it used to be.

 

 

It really hasn’t. The demon primarchs have always been there and the 2 loyalists really haven’t had all that much impact, besides Guillimans booting the Imperium into gear and organizing the crusade that saved it. Things are more dire now than they have ever been in 40ks history. 

[ZeroWolf]

There's too much money on the table for GW's shareholders to ignore. We'll get a primarch at the end of every edition, the undivided chaos primarchs are probably next, with perty leading that particular charge (could be extra funny if Dorn returns at the end of 11th edition).

[Joe]

There's a few things to keep in mind.

 

• Jes Goodwin's original remarks i.e. loyalist Primarch's returning in mind - namely that they tend to represent a substantial story shift in the setting (at least, in terms of the odds favouring the Imperium) in a way that the appearance of the Daemon Primarch's doesn't. Hence the old "you'll see a loyalist Primarch crop up every five years or so" remark.
• Hastings old Primarch release order (before Magnus had even leaked) was entirely accurate until the Lion released (previously, Russ occupied this spot); it's entirely possible Russ and the Lion got mixed up rumour-wise, or that other changes have gone on behind the scenes relating to the Space Wolves.

[Evil Eye]

5 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Things are more dire now than they have ever been in 40ks history. 

You got that right, though maybe not in the way you intended...

[phandaal]

43 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I disagree with this because it's already started happening.

 

5 Primarchs are now running around in 40k. It makes no different at this point if it's 5, 7 or more.

 

40k? Surely you mean Horus Heresy? Ah, there I go confusing the settings again. Hard to tell them apart these days if you're just looking at Marines.

[Indy Techwisp]

In terms of Primarchs I feel GW will bring back no question, Russ and Dorn are the 2 I am certain are coming back.
Equally, I can see Daemon Prince/Engine Perturabo coming back if they expand the little lore thread that the Iron Warriors are trending towards working with Vashtorr and the Soul Forge rather than any of the 4 (5?) Chaos Gods and make a full-blown "Soul Forge" faction.

 

For less confident, GW could just let The Khan ride back out of the Webway at any time and Bird Corvus + Angelic Lorgar have 40k era designs and lore done, just not models.

[BitsHammer]

55 minutes ago, Wispy said:

'Rule of 3 Loyalists' vs the 4 reps of the Chaos Gods feels like the magic number for me, +Abbadon as a pseudo-Primarch. But I won't rain on other first founding folks parades if GW decide to do more. "Bring them all back," never occurred to me though. 

 

From the loyalist side, Robbie, Lion, and Russ feels... complete? They 3/5 of the most prominent Space Marine rulebook with strong "Primarch still alive" lore baked in. I've never had the impression from Blood Angels and Black Templar enthusiasts that they've been itching to get Dorn or Sanguinis back but I welcome any of their fans to challenge me on that.

 

I can see how more might be fun... Perturabo as a mechanical-daemon prince monstrosity would be a lot of fun, as would a Warp-born Sanguinius ghost-character could be cool too. 

Pretty sure Salamanders fans would be pretty upset to never see their Primarch return.

 

And yeah, Russ feels pretty obvious at this point which is why it won't shock me if GW pulls the rug out from under the community and brings back someone else like Dorn, or even Ferrus just to keep us guessing.

[beefeb]

8 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

Pretty sure Salamanders fans would be pretty upset to never see their Primarch return.

 

And yeah, Russ feels pretty obvious at this point which is why it won't shock me if GW pulls the rug out from under the community and brings back someone else like Dorn, or even Ferrus just to keep us guessing.

 

I would love to see Vulkan return.  Given his attitude toward baseline humans, I can only imagine how devastated and upset he would be with the state of the Imperium.  It would only be his love for the Emperor that would stop him turning his back on the Imperium....though if he did....would Roboute have the desire to bring him back into line forcibly?  If anyone could fix the golden throne it would be vulkan.

[ISBEAR]

10 hours ago, Wispy said:

 I've never had the impression from Blood Angels and Black Templar enthusiasts that they've been itching to get Dorn or Sanguinis back but I welcome any of their fans to challenge me on that.

Black templars fans cant seem to stop bringin up Dorn. There is this one British guy in particular.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

12 hours ago, Wispy said:

'Rule of 3 Loyalists' vs the 4 reps of the Chaos Gods feels like the magic number for me, +Abbadon as a pseudo-Primarch. But I won't rain on other first founding folks parades if GW decide to do more. "Bring them all back," never occurred to me though. 

 

From the loyalist side, Robbie, Lion, and Russ feels... complete? They 3/5 of the most prominent Space Marine rulebook with strong "Primarch still alive" lore baked in. I've never had the impression from Blood Angels and Black Templar enthusiasts that they've been itching to get Dorn or Sanguinis back but I welcome any of their fans to challenge me on that.

 

I can see how more might be fun... Perturabo as a mechanical-daemon prince monstrosity would be a lot of fun, as would a Warp-born Sanguinius ghost-character could be cool too. 

Nope. They have opened pandora´s box already. Now anything goes. Even Ferrus can come back and he will say upon his arrival:

 

"It was just a scratch and I walked it off in the warp."

 

Remember when the folks at GW tried to gaslight us when they claimed that female Custodes always existed? They will bend and warp the lore to justify any decision.

[Vassakov]

Here's the thing though. That's literally always been the way the lore works, and GW have always been very, very explicit about it. 

 

Y'all throwing around phrases like 'gaslighting' regarding decisions you don't like just look a bit daft to be honest.

[Mogger351]

Not upset if primarchs come back overly as long as they don't follow the same story and they actually do something with them.

 

The daemon primarchs get a pass, there's no reason for them not to be having fun in the material universe tbh.

 

My issue is the Imperial ones, so far Guilliman was mcguffin'd to the eyeballs to come back via what felt like an aborted end times. He got a toy from daddy. He got into fights with a big bad (Magnus and Mortarion on different occasions), was losing and then was saved in the nick of time via dad's intervention. Proceeds to sort of mill around the galaxy.

 

The lion came back with some hand waving, gets a mcguffiny toy from daddy that made even less sense than guilliman, he picks a fight with a big bad, is losing, gets saved in the nick of time using a revelation from daddy. Proceeds to sort of mill around the galaxy.

 

If Russ comes back, chases fulgrim/a.n. other. Out of the warp, gets into a fight, is losing, gets saved by dad when his mcguffin (spear likely) comes back in the nick of time, then Proceeds to mill around the galaxy.... what is the point?

[Blindhamster]

Cool models, mostly

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

22 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Not upset if primarchs come back overly as long as they don't follow the same story and they actually do something with them.

 

The daemon primarchs get a pass, there's no reason for them not to be having fun in the material universe tbh.

 

My issue is the Imperial ones, so far Guilliman was mcguffin'd to the eyeballs to come back via what felt like an aborted end times. He got a toy from daddy. He got into fights with a big bad (Magnus and Mortarion on different occasions), was losing and then was saved in the nick of time via dad's intervention. Proceeds to sort of mill around the galaxy.

 

The lion came back with some hand waving, gets a mcguffiny toy from daddy that made even less sense than guilliman, he picks a fight with a big bad, is losing, gets saved in the nick of time using a revelation from daddy. Proceeds to sort of mill around the galaxy.

 

If Russ comes back, chases fulgrim/a.n. other. Out of the warp, gets into a fight, is losing, gets saved by dad when his mcguffin (spear likely) comes back in the nick of time, then Proceeds to mill around the galaxy.... what is the point?

The point is that you are supposed to be a good consumer and not ask too many questions. Just buy the new product and be happy. Even if it is Russ on a flying sledge pulled by Freki and Geri.

Edited October 20 by Deus_Ex_Machina

[Marshal Reinhard]

I don't particularily mind the return of more primarchs. The ship of do we "return them/do no return them" sailed long ago.

 

I'm however rather against the idea of the number of returned primarchs ever numbering 18 (or even before that). Death needs to mean something.

 

And yes yes, lore groundwork having been laid already for a returned Sangy... sure... but that should not so much be a returned Primarch, as much as the addition of a fallen angelic warp apparition, if we have to go this route. If Russ being gone for 10k years is enough for people suggesting his character to be completely different (as a wulfen, or a wise Odin, or an apex sorceror etc) then Sangy having crossed death's threshold needs to have that amount of difference and then some.

[Orion]

Don't be mean spirited. We need 36+ primarch models for 30k and 40k.

Every legion can be like world eaters where you systematically have 400+ points of supreme leader in every army - Perfection.

 

Phoenix lords? Grey Knights? Catachans? Never heard of them.

[SvenIronhand]

I don't mind it either way. Russ has as much to do with my Ultima Founding boys, as Guilliman does with the Nemesis Chapter.

[Orange Knight]

I do generally enjoy the Primarch discussions. To go back to what I said earlier, we are well past the point in the discourse where we should talk about whether their return is something that should be happening or not. 5 have now come back (and they sell like tasty hot cakes) so it's reductive to wish that no one else should get a model for their particular favourite.

That being said, we also have to be realistic, and I don't expect we are ever going to see them all come back to the 40k settings. I mentioned in another topic that at the current rate of release, it will be approaching 15 or so years before 3 or 4 of the loyalists have been re-introduced. At that point, I would hedge my bets on GW instead starting to release updated models for the likes of Guilliman and some of the early Primaris sculpts.

 

It saddens me, but I think GW's experiment with wider support for the less popular chapters (like when they released individual codex supplaments for the likes of the Scars, Fists, etc) has led them to instead double down on only supporting the big names like the Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Black Templars, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

I'm guessing they weren't actually as popular as they may have expected, and it's probably why they aren't releasing any new models for the codex chapters years after the fact.

 

All that being said, I think Russ is definitely on the cards, and to be frank I wish he would come sooner rather than later. There is a lot of lore and groundwork that have already been laid to usher his return, such as the return of Astartes of the fabled 13th company.

 

I think the Space Wolves deserve a nice range refresh,  and I hope that their unique kits are improved over what aleady exists - The Ragnar model is a great start. My less popular opinion is that their range has a lot of units that are effectively nothing more than tiny variations of existing generic squads and can exist as upgrade sprues that serve to "Wolf-up" models.

 

Edited October 20 by Orange Knight

[Evil Eye]

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

starting to release updated models for the likes of Guilliman

Please no.

[Orange Knight]

15 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Please no.

 

All popular models eventually get refreshed or updated. We are about to get the THIRD Logan Grimnar.

 

I fully expect a new Guilliman, as well as updates to myriads of characters and units when enough time has passed.

 

Again, no need to be negative about this - it's how things are and have ALWAYS been.

 

(And yes, I'm aware Yarrick is currently gone... but I think we all suspect that he will return somehow, in some some way at some point)

Edited October 20 by Orange Knight

[ZeroWolf]

I still wouldn't rule out Tazryn having yarrick to go along with Creed. 

[Dark Shepherd]

Delayed Russ makes sense but itll be a bit annoying to not get codex supplement til 2 years of an edition and then for a major addition 6 months later. But Im still salty over how late we got our 8th ed codex. And how the 9th ed supplement was missing some pages/warlord trait fiasco

 

Warcom post about Grimnars armour seems to semi confirm he gets a new model