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[caladancid]

I love the 'disagree' from Brother @Nova-V. Disagree with the rumors? Or, maybe disagree with the existence of the shadowy figure known as @Chapter Master Valrak? Vindicationrak is coming, I feel it in the air.

[MithrilForge]

@caladancid - it seems obligatory for them to disagree even if it's the truth.... Lets ponder on what Forrest Gump says "stupid is as stupid does"   

 

I look forward to new Space wolves...hopefully more Viking than tacky Wolfy.... 

 

M

[Wispy]

3 hours ago, caladancid said:

I love the 'disagree' from Brother @Nova-V. Disagree with the rumors? Or, maybe disagree with the existence of the shadowy figure known as @Chapter Master Valrak? Vindicationrak is coming, I feel it in the air.

I just assumed he was feeling really spiteful and didnt want Space Wolves collectors to get new models.

[Beef]

I for one cant wait for a new Grimnar Model, it will save me having to finish my upscaled conversion.  

[Petitioner's City]

I feel really sad - from a world building perspective - that primarisation hasn't led to a new generation of named characters. Astartes should die, and there should be new faces to replace them. Instead they feel stuck in time, with no sense of time - nor any sense of mortality.

 

Compare this to how fw under Kinrade and Bligh gave us the career of Carab Culln across 200 years - sergeant to captain to chapter master to internment.

 

I just find this era across all the chapter really anti narrative, anti world building 

[Timberley]

12 minutes ago, Petitioner's City said:

I feel really sad - from a world building perspective - that primarisation hasn't led to a new generation of named characters. Astartes should die, and there should be new faces to replace them. Instead they feel stuck in time, with no sense of time - nor any sense of mortality.

 

Compare this to how fw under Kinrade and Bligh gave us the career of Carab Culln across 200 years - sergeant to captain to chapter master to internment.

 

I just find this era across all the chapter really anti narrative, anti world building 

That's because Culln is a minor character in a minor chapter whose story played out over a series of campaign books. He's not a main character in one of the original chapters, whose story is forever moving forward yet simultaneously in limbo because of the setting. 

However, this is part of the 'setting or story' debate we have had on the board since God was a lad. 

 

Personally, I hope they do away with the chariot and the OTT wolf nonsense if they're going to redo Grimnar and the others. Bring back the viking aesthetic that made them interesting. 

[irlLordy]

Speaking of Lukas, would he even be able to be primarised? Not sure how many surgeons would be willing to work on him given that if his heart stops, he blows up thanks to that statis grenade he wired into himself.

[Halandaar]

1 hour ago, Petitioner's City said:

I feel really sad - from a world building perspective - that primarisation hasn't led to a new generation of named characters.

 

We have had a handful of new named characters; Adrax Agatone, Lazarus, Malkaan Feirros, Tor Garadon, Uriel Ventris and Vitrian Messinius were all new to the game even if some of them existed in the background previously.

 

You could maybe argue the named lieutenants as well (Calsius, Haldor Icepelt, Tolmeron, Zakariah) although they didn't get specific datasheets or fleshed out in terms of background so their names were perhaps more of a marketing thing. 

 

1 hour ago, Petitioner's City said:

Compare this to how fw under Kinrade and Bligh gave us the career of Carab Culln across 200 years - sergeant to captain to chapter master to internment.

 

Yeah, the only instance I can think of where a character in the main game has changed role/position due to story progression (rather than retcon) is Kayvaan Shrike being promoted to Chapter Master, although even that is a fairly unimpactful change given his predecessor never had a model or meaningful role anyway. 

 

1 hour ago, Petitioner's City said:

Astartes should die, and there should be new faces to replace them. Instead they feel stuck in time, with no sense of time - nor any sense of mortality.

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I just find this era across all the chapter really anti narrative, anti world building 

 

In general I agree; it seems silly that so many of them make it through to the current timeline. But on the other hand, people complain when GW take stuff away; there are comments about the loss of Corbulo and even pre-emptive grumblings about Bjorn and Lukas in this very thread. There were even complaints about Yarrick even though he's human, not an Astartes, so extreme longevity in his case makes zero sense. GW have a bit of a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" position when it comes to killing off characters.

 

 

[ThaneOfTas]

4 hours ago, Wispy said:

I just assumed he was feeling really spiteful and didnt want Space Wolves collectors to get new models.

Or maybe he saw the BA refresh and is actually hoping that the Space Wolves fans are spared that heartache?

[Alby the Slayer]

1 hour ago, Petitioner's City said:

I feel really sad - from a world building perspective - that primarisation hasn't led to a new generation of named characters. Astartes should die, and there should be new faces to replace them. Instead they feel stuck in time, with no sense of time - nor any sense of mortality.

 

Compare this to how fw under Kinrade and Bligh gave us the career of Carab Culln across 200 years - sergeant to captain to chapter master to internment.

 

I just find this era across all the chapter really anti narrative, anti world building 

 

I feel you, my friend.

 

They decided to go forward with the years and the narrative and now they are stuck with chars who cannot die (there is no stakes in every battle stories and the Rubicon is a joke).

 

Aside from that, I do hope the new Exarch for the Warp Spider will be a female one. I do like the idea, aesthetically.

 

[Redcomet]

16 minutes ago, Alby the Slayer said:

 

I feel you, my friend.

 

They decided to go forward with the years and the narrative and now they are stuck with chars who cannot die (there is no stakes in every battle stories and the Rubicon is a joke).

 

Aside from that, I do hope the new Exarch for the Warp Spider will be a female one. I do like the idea, aesthetically.

 

Exarchs and phoenix lords aren’t gendered despite what the boob plate looks like. 

[skylerboodie]

42 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

Or maybe he saw the BA refresh and is actually hoping that the Space Wolves fans are spared that heartache?

Nope, @Nova-V just adds a "Respectfully Disagree" to anything Valrak posts, or posts about Valrak; Nothing respectful about it, just pathetic and all a bit sad really - what sort of a life they must have.

[Halandaar]

27 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Exarchs and phoenix lords aren’t gendered despite what the boob plate looks like. 

 

Kinda? Jain Zar's armour is obviously stylized female, so I think @Alby the Slayer's point is that another female-styled Phoenix Lord would be cool, even if the lore reality is that the current occupant of the suit isn't necessarily the same gender as the one it's stylized after.

[Alby the Slayer]

37 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

 

Kinda? Jain Zar's armour is obviously stylized female, so I think @Alby the Slayer's point is that another female-styled Phoenix Lord would be cool, even if the lore reality is that the current occupant of the suit isn't necessarily the same gender as the one it's stylized after.

Yes, thank you.

 

In the lore it's always used a "she" to describe her(Jain-Zar). 

 

If you want, call it female-styled Phenix Lord, it's the same for me.

 

[ThaneOfTas]

2 hours ago, skylerboodie said:

Nope, @Nova-V just adds a "Respectfully Disagree" to anything Valrak posts, or posts about Valrak; Nothing respectful about it, just pathetic and all a bit sad really - what sort of a life they must have.

Oh I know, just thought that coming up with more charitable alternative explanations would be funny 

[Orange Knight]

I was looking at the Votann models recently (have been tempted to start a new army by all the Votann and Squat goodies GW have been releasing).

 

The Votann are leaning into the Nordic style quite a bit. They have runes and crests and what not.

 

This makes me think that the Space Wolves will continue to go down the wolfy-wolf, barbarian theming more so than something which evokes Asgard. 

Also... I'm still hoping that Logan will don a suit of custon Gravis, similar to Calgar.

[phandaal]

4 hours ago, Redcomet said:

Exarchs and phoenix lords aren’t gendered despite what the boob plate looks like. 

 

Jain Zar was a female before becoming a suit of armor, and all of the Eldar who go into the suit are female because they come from an all-female order. Jain Zar is turbo-female.

 

This is a thread about the Emperor's goodest boys anyway, not Eldar.

[Wraithwing]

Really looking forward to the new Space Wolves stuff. Sitting on about 1500 points of Primaris painted at the moment, so looking forward to adding these. 

 

Grimar's War Council is well overdue a resculpt, so will be great to see. 

 

I am also looking forward to the continuing, original Space Wolves aesthetic of Wolf pelts, totems, fangs, and general wolfy-goodness. 

 

After all, the viking barbarianism of the 'Heresy' stuff is in itself a massive retcon to the original Space Wolf look and feel. The modern stuff is much closer to the iconic 2nd edition Space Wolves stuff, which is excellent, and where Wolves should be. 

 

Bring on the wolfy mcwolf wolves!

[Redcomet]

5 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

Jain Zar was a female before becoming a suit of armor, and all of the Eldar who go into the suit are female because they come from an all-female order. Jain Zar is turbo-female.

 

This is a thread about the Emperor's goodest boys anyway, not Eldar.

Male Aeldari are also howling banshees. The lore has evolved. The armor is part of the war mask they put on.

[mecanojavi99]

I've personally always been a much bigger fan of 30K SW aesthetics than 40K and really don't see much issue with them sharing a Nordic aesthetic with the LoV, it's not like anyone is complaining that both Necrons and TSons use ancient Egyptian aesthetics.

 

But I would contempt if GW finally remembered that Hellfrost weapons are a thing and gave us more of them, heck, give us a new Grey Hunters unit that is all about Primaris marines armed with Hellfrost weapons.

[Cyrox]

15 minutes ago, Wraithwing said:

 

I am also looking forward to the continuing, original Space Wolves aesthetic of Wolf pelts, totems, fangs, and general wolfy-goodness. 

 

After all, the viking barbarianism of the 'Heresy' stuff is in itself a massive retcon to the original Space Wolf look and feel. The modern stuff is much closer to the iconic 2nd edition Space Wolves stuff, which is excellent, and where Wolves should be. 

 

 

 

(emphasis mine)

 

Agreed completely! The RT/ 2nd edition Wolfiness is just the right amount - they were marines with a wolf theme, not a wolves with a marine theme which  is what they flirted with at one point

Edited Tuesday at 02:42 PM by Cyrox

[ThePenitentOne]

5 hours ago, Halandaar said:

Yeah, the only instance I can think of where a character in the main game has changed role/position due to story progression (rather than retcon) is Kayvaan Shrike being promoted to Chapter Master, although even that is a fairly unimpactful change given his predecessor never had a model or meaningful role anyway. 

 

Chaplain Cassius had a UM model and still has the DW model. Not sure of his actual story and whether or not it involves significant retcon though. 

 

I guess he's still a Chaplain either way though, so it's not necessarily a role-change in the way you're describing. 

[Halandaar]

14 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Male Aeldari are also howling banshees. The lore has evolved. The armor is part of the war mask they put on.

 

It's not even new lore; it explicitly says in the 2nd Edition Eldar Codex "Most Howling Banshees are female, although any Warrior Aspects can be male or female" (Page 23, Aspect Warriors)

 

[Halandaar]

5 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Chaplain Cassius had a UM model and still has the DW model. Not sure of his actual story and whether or not it involves significant retcon though. 

 

I guess he's still a Chaplain either way though, so it's not necessarily a role-change in the way you're describing. 

 

Yeah, bit of an oddity that one as the Deathwatch model (which is currently available) represents a younger Cassius when he was a normal Chaplain, while the now-rotated metal/finecast model represents him as the Master of Sanctity as he was after the Tyrannic War. So the newer plastic model is kind of a prequel, if that makes sense.

[ZeroWolf]

1 minute ago, Halandaar said:

 

Yeah, bit of an oddity that one as the Deathwatch model (which is currently available) represents a younger Cassius when he was a normal Chaplain, while the now-rotated metal/finecast model represents him as the Master of Sanctity as he was after the Tyrannic War. So the newer plastic model is kind of a prequel, if that makes sense.

Huh, i always assumed it was after but was given treatment for the injuries received during the war (and that was why he did a stint with the Death Watch). Interesting to learn the truth of the matter. Has GW even done that before? Made a model that was a younger version of one they already made (lord of the rings notwithstanding).