Space Wolf HQs

[Wispy]

10 hours ago, TopToffee said:

Seems a bizarre decision that. They'd surely be the biggest sellers in a refresh?

 

Are there any remaining DA or BA firstborn units left for sale?

Probably more important to refresh that Space Wolves fundamental stuff first. I have no issue prioritizing Greyhunters/Bloodclaws and Wolf Guard. Thunderwolves probably headline a second release down the line all on their own. In the same way Ravenguard would be Dark Angels. 

 

The other DA & BA firstborn units left are Ravenwing Black Knights/Command Squad kig and Blood Angels Assault Terminators kit and Baal Predator. DA also is still selling their special landspeeder and their fliers. 

Edited November 12 by Wispy

[jimbo1701]

Hmm. I’m going to stick my neck out and say there will be a generic upgrade sprue and will come bundled either with intercessors (grey hunters) or assault intercessors. (blood claws) 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

9 hours ago, Redcomet said:

Some of those kits will 100% be existing kits plus upgrade sprues. 

 

Yeah, much as I'd love to continue believing otherwise, they'd just about have to be. Otherwise, the other non-Codex chapters really got shafted.

 

Templars did pretty well, but they still should have gotten a bespoke "Initiate Squad" kit with proper tabards and chained weapons rather than just a few odd upgrade bits and leftovers from the Crusader and Sword Brethren boxes to add to the Intercessor and Assault Intercessor models.

 

Dark Angels could have gotten robed Intercessors, Blood Angels could have gotten something aside from de-winged SG and a bigger upgrade sprue.

 

With that precedent, even two new squad kits with actual chapter-specific base models is about all we can expect. That would be the Termies and elite Guard most likely, Everything else in terms of squad kits probably will turn out to be upgrade sprues packed in with Intercessors, Assault Intercessors, and whatever route they go with Wolf Scouts.

1 minute ago, jimbo1701 said:

Hmm. I’m going to stick my neck out and say there will be a generic upgrade sprue and will come bundled either with intercessors (grey hunters) or assault intercessors. (blood claws) 

 

Exactly that most likely (although I do still hope the GH and BC sprues are different from each other as well. I believe that's the impression Val has).

Edited November 12 by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[Wraithwing]

The thought struck me that both Dark Angels and Blood Angels are still codex compliant in that they use Tactical/Assault/Devastator squads, and are using the Primaris equivalents that have replaced them.

 

Space Wolves have never used these squads, so stands to reason that they may introduce bespoke Primaris versions for them. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 hour ago, Wraithwing said:

The thought struck me that both Dark Angels and Blood Angels are still codex compliant in that they use Tactical/Assault/Devastator squads, and are using the Primaris equivalents that have replaced them.

 

Space Wolves have never used these squads, so stands to reason that they may introduce bespoke Primaris versions for them. 

 

And yet GW has been quick to wholeheartedly integrate Intercessors and every other new Primaris squad into the Wolves' Order of Battle, with their resistance amounting to a couple lines in the codex and a few chapters in The Wolftime (though even that was mostly after Krom had taken them into his own Great Company before the rest of the chapter even knew they existed).

 

Given GW's previous history, I think it's more likely that going forward, Grey Hunters will just be Intercessors renamed with some extra options. And Blood Claws, Sky Claws, and Swift Claws will just be Assault Intercessors, AI with Jump Packs, and Outriders with access to the "Blood Claws" upgrade kit (the latter may have to wait until 11th or whenever their MPK box turns up).

 

You'll notice that Long Fangs haven't been mentioned at all in the leaks, probably because they're as dead in the water as Devastators at this point and will be supplanted by "Hellblaster Packs," "Eradicator Packs", and et cetera.

 

 

[Son of Rawl]

I'm just hoping they go more space Vikings than Wolfy McWolf Face.

 

The Primaris organisation is more than likely going to happen too, as there are now Primaris Successor Chapters of the wolves. The Wolf Spears being the biggest example as they had rules in a White Dwarf awhile back.

[Wispy]

5 hours ago, Wraithwing said:

The thought struck me that both Dark Angels and Blood Angels are still codex compliant in that they use Tactical/Assault/Devastator squads, and are using the Primaris equivalents that have replaced them.

 

Space Wolves have never used these squads, so stands to reason that they may introduce bespoke Primaris versions for them. 

 

This was always my assumption. Ever since the Black Templar got their Crusader squad box, I assumed the Space Wolves would get their own bespoke kit for their infantry. It's also replacing one of the marquee Space Wolves infantry kits - the first kit people buy when starting a Space Wolves army - I assume they want to have a product that's successor to that important kit.

 

The Blood Angels losing their death company kit, not withstanding... But that's always been an elite choice. Blood Angels armies have traditionally start with a Assaults squad or Tactical Marine squads (today represented with the three flavours of intercessor). Even the Tactical Marine kit the Blood Angels had for a short period, they stopped selling. 

Edited November 13 by Wispy

[WrathOfTheLion]

4 hours ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

You'll notice that Long Fangs haven't been mentioned at all in the leaks, probably because they're as dead in the water as Devastators at this point and will be supplanted by "Hellblaster Packs," "Eradicator Packs", and et cetera.

I'm not convinced they won't release a Primaris devastator squad at some point, likely during 11e. There's still a few more outstanding kits, like Vanguard Veterans that wouldn't surprise me at all to be in next edition.

[Matrindur]

24 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

I'm not convinced they won't release a Primaris devastator squad at some point, likely during 11e. There's still a few more outstanding kits, like Vanguard Veterans that wouldn't surprise me at all to be in next edition.

I'm not so sure about Devastators still having a reason to come back. Primaris are clearly going the way of specialized squads per weapon type and while I could see a Veteran type squad that can use all of them I don't think GW would really want that. At least not until we have dedicated squads for every possible weapon option. 

[Hfran Morkai]

I'd love to see Wolf Scouts in Scout armour.

 

When I was still playing 40K I loved the metal Wolf Scouts, they had more character than the plastic ones (plus a unit size of 4-6), were nastier than normal Scouts (I think at one point it was up to two Plasma Pistols, a Special Weapon and a CHANCE it was up to two Power Weapons as well?).

 

Plus the black and white art of a Wolf Scout with shotgun, incredible!

[Dark Shepherd]

Random warcom post up about Bjorn knocking on your door...taking that as flimsy evidence against his unlikely legendsing

[Redcomet]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:51 PM, jimbo1701 said:

Hmm. I’m going to stick my neck out and say there will be a generic upgrade sprue and will come bundled either with intercessors (grey hunters) or assault intercessors. (blood claws) 

100% this. 

On 11/13/2024 at 2:34 AM, WrathOfTheLion said:

I'm not convinced they won't release a Primaris devastator squad at some point, likely during 11e. There's still a few more outstanding kits, like Vanguard Veterans that wouldn't surprise me at all to be in next edition.

Sternguard took the jump, so I could see Vanguard do the same. 

[crimsondave]

I’m ready for some true scale, I mean Primaris tactical marines.

[Northern Walker]

16 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

I’m ready for some true scale, I mean Primaris tactical marines.

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if eventually what we know as intercessors eventually just become tac marines, could dual build them with rifles or bolter+chainsword 

[ThaneOfTas]

28 minutes ago, crimsondave said:

I’m ready for some true scale, I mean Primaris tactical marines.

Considering the way that the current intercessor kit has all that wasted space from the bolt rifle variants that no longer matter, I am honestly expecting Tactical Intercessors no later than 12th, possibly as early as 11th. Especially since GW has shown a willingness to retire kits of a similar vintage in AoS

[caladancid]

The timeline seems very strange for this so far. Valrak says end of 10th, but we really know a lot about this and they are showing a lot of SW art for it to be what a year and a half away?

 

And, I realized how totally poor the SW squad customization options of the past will translate to the current power level system.

[Dark Shepherd]

13 minutes ago, caladancid said:

The timeline seems very strange for this so far. Valrak says end of 10th, but we really know a lot about this and they are showing a lot of SW art for it to be what a year and a half away?

 

And, I realized how totally poor the SW squad customization options of the past will translate to the current power level system.

He said 2025 a few times

 

Leman Russ might come later

[Wispy]

3 hours ago, Northern Walker said:

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if eventually what we know as intercessors eventually just become tac marines, could dual build them with rifles or bolter+chainsword 

I love the term 'Tactical Intercessor' and have an expectation they become a new kit that replaces both the Intercessor and Tactical Marine kit in 2026 or 2027, adding a special weapon and heavy weapon into a bunch of interecessors. the current Intercessor kit would be 9 or so years old at that point. 

Edited Saturday at 02:40 AM by Wispy

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, caladancid said:

Valrak says end of 10th

Could also mean end of 10th editions codex release cycle just before the campaign books hit, which presumably ring in Russ' reunion tour.

[WrathOfTheLion]

48 minutes ago, Wispy said:

I love the term 'Tactical Intercessor' and have an expectation they become a new kit that replaces both the Intercessor and Tactical Marine kit in 2026 or 2027, adding a special weapon and heavy weapon into a bunch of interecessors. the current Intercessor kit would be 9 or so years old at that point. 

That's generally what I'd expect as well, that they'll replace the current intercessor kit with what is basically just a tactical squad + the bolt rifles, likely in the launch box for 11E. It'd be roughly the same amount of time as between Liberator kits for AoS, or Tactical Squad kits preceding it. Since that will basically be all of the classic squads at that point, I also think they'll do a devastator squad to complete it all.

 

Tactical intercessor has definitely been thrown around, and would be a sensible name.

Edited Saturday at 03:07 AM by WrathOfTheLion

[Matrindur]

1 hour ago, caladancid said:

The timeline seems very strange for this so far. Valrak says end of 10th, but we really know a lot about this and they are showing a lot of SW art for it to be what a year and a half away?

 

And, I realized how totally poor the SW squad customization options of the past will translate to the current power level system.

Latest info from him is summer 2025 for SW

[Mogger351]

5 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Could also mean end of 10th editions codex release cycle just before the campaign books hit, which presumably ring in Russ' reunion tour.

There are 13/14 I think, books to release in an 18 month window, there will be a month or two without any. I don't think we're getting the campaign books phase this time.

[ZeroWolf]

30 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

There are 13/14 I think, books to release in an 18 month window, there will be a month or two without any. I don't think we're getting the campaign books phase this time.

We actually got campaign books mixed in with releases last time Arks of Omen: Angron dropped alongside World Eaters. I can easily see that happening again.

[Wispy]

The timeline reporting might be confused if there is some Primarch (with Russ) shenanigans headlining 10th edition but they're actually planning the main codex refresh more closely following Blood Angels.

 

That or they're not actually teasing an imminent Space Wolves reveal with their Bjorn and Grimnar themed posts and just being festive, thoughtless, winter themed :cuss:heads

Edited Saturday at 09:03 AM by Wispy

[Lysimachus]

7 hours ago, Wispy said:

I love the term 'Tactical Intercessor' and have an expectation they become a new kit that replaces both the Intercessor and Tactical Marine kit in 2026 or 2027, adding a special weapon and heavy weapon into a bunch of interecessors. the current Intercessor kit would be 9 or so years old at that point. 

 

What I would really love on a kit like this would be if they redesigned some of the greaves/chestplates/heads/shoulders to give Mk X a more lived in feel - now that the timeline has moved on a bit and individual Marines have the opportunity to customize their wargear. Mk IV or VI style greaves, different icons/details on the chest, Mk III shoulders, maybe even a body/legs that has suffered damage and so has Mk V style studs and external tubes down the thigh?

 

I know the Sternguard kit has started some of this, but I'd like to see it become the norm.

 

Edit: to make sure I'm staying on topic, I'll add that a dedicated SW GH/BC kit would also be an excellent place to bring in that kind of individuality?

Edited Saturday at 09:48 AM by Lysimachus