Assault Terminators (Dual LC) + Chaplain

[L30n1d4s]

Anyone tried this out yet / have any experience with it in LAG:

 

-TDA Chaplain (Speed of the Primarch)

-10 Assault TDA (dual LCs)

 

This unit puts out 60 x S7 AP-2 Dmg1 attacks on the charge with +1 to wound and full rerolls to Wound. By my Mathhammer (with Oath of Moment), they can bring a C'Tan down by themselves (no mean feat) or can reliably kill a Knight by themselves (also impresive), can fight first once per game if charged (thanks to Speed of the Primarch enhancement), have a 4+++ FNP against Mortal Wounds (from the Chaplain), and can rapid Ingress via DS 9" away from an enemy (so move 5" in your turn and set up a 4" charge)... seems quite good to me.

 

Now, kinda expensive points wise (460 with TDA Chaplain and enhancement), but a really big threat that your opponent can't ignore and can take down almost any unit it comes to grips with.

 

Anyone have any experience playing something like this since the new book dropped?

 

 

Edited November 3 by L30n1d4s

[HeadlessCross]

The key problem is Terminators are pretty easy to kill. While the Thunder Hammer loadout was neutered in terms of offense, it increased durability to all D1, D3, and variable Damage weapons. Marines don't necessarily lack offense, so I wonder how the math checks out for the same squad using the Thunder Hammer loadout under Oath. 

[Karhedron]

I think that it is quite close in terms of performance. The +1S is less relevant from THs as it is unlikely to change a 5+ to a 4+ to Wound against large targets but the +1A is more valuable on the powerful attacks. I quick bit of mathing suggests the squad will average 11-12 wounding hits against T10+ targets with a Chaplain and OOM. So that will average about 4 Dev Wounds and about 13 further wounds on a target with a 3+ save or 10 against a target with a 2+ save (or 4+ Invuln).

 

So yes they will also kill a C'tan on average and will probably be slightly more durable.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I think that it is quite close in terms of performance. The +1S is less relevant from THs as it is unlikely to change a 5+ to a 4+ to Wound against large targets but the +1A is more valuable on the powerful attacks. I quick bit of mathing suggests the squad will average 11-12 wounding hits against T10+ targets with a Chaplain and OOM. So that will average about 4 Dev Wounds and about 13 further wounds on a target with a 3+ save or 10 against a target with a 2+ save (or 4+ Invuln).

 

So yes they will also kill a C'tan on average and will probably be slightly more durable.

Interesting. The extra attack from the Liberator detachment rule does go a long way in this case, then. 

[Karhedron]

15 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Interesting. The extra attack from the Liberator detachment rule does go a long way in this case, then. 

 

Indeed, an increase of 33% in fact.

 

With LC Termies, it is the +1S that is more effective at allowing them to chew through elite infantry. It does allow them to "punch up" against T10/11 targets too when combined with the +1 to Wound from the Chaplain or Red Rampage and the rerolls to Wound from TL.

 

Overall I think I would opt for the TH/SS for Terminators since the Shield is a significant buff to durability. They are as good or better against tough targets than LCs. They are not quite so good against elite infantry but BAs have plenty of other good options for chopping through those.

[DemonGSides]

Yeah I'm definitely sticking with the TH/SS for myself, but I think a squad of LC Terminators is just absolutely sick looking especially when bedecked in Angel heraldry.

[Jolemai]

Close enough:

 

[RyanT2112]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:33 AM, Karhedron said:

 

Indeed, an increase of 33% in fact.

 

With LC Termies, it is the +1S that is more effective at allowing them to chew through elite infantry. It does allow them to "punch up" against T10/11 targets too when combined with the +1 to Wound from the Chaplain or Red Rampage and the rerolls to Wound from TL.

 

Overall I think I would opt for the TH/SS for Terminators since the Shield is a significant buff to durability. They are as good or better against tough targets than LCs. They are not quite so good against elite infantry but BAs have plenty of other good options for chopping through those.

 

The 4 wound with 4+ FNP with the chaplain makes them an indomitable bunch. I do agree with the idea that lightning claw terminators might be a fun bunch. Especially because while the damage values might be similar, you gain the ability to chew through things that you might WANT to hit with mass damage 1 weapons, while also being durable yourself.