Is Mephiston underwhelming?

[RyanT2112]

I just think the tactical value and terror factor Mephiston provides is an X factor. You literally move him near the units you want to protect that might not have fight first or might even be a vehicle (like a Vindicator for example) and bam you have a Heroic Intervention w/ Fights First monster that can come around and give anyone a bad day.

 

7 attacks Str 11 AP-3 dmg D3 isn't a joke especially if it hits you before you hit whatever you meant to hit.

 

His durability is superb. His psychic power is swingy but I just used him in a game and got 1 hit and 2 sustained 3 hits for 7 hits with 3 attacks. It was nuts. When his randomness comes in line he is just sick. On the flip side in my game his durability was crappy and I kept rolling no FNPs but my dice on defense the entire game was crap. My offense I rolled well all the time. It is the nature of his randomness.

 

I get many players want more stable picks but part of the fun is the fact that he's so swingy. I don't think he's overcosted though.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, RyanT2112 said:

I just think the tactical value and terror factor Mephiston provides is an X factor. You literally move him near the units you want to protect that might not have fight first or might even be a vehicle (like a Vindicator for example) and bam you have a Heroic Intervention w/ Fights First monster that can come around and give anyone a bad day.

 

7 attacks Str 11 AP-3 dmg D3 isn't a joke especially if it hits you before you hit whatever you meant to hit.

 

His durability is superb. His psychic power is swingy but I just used him in a game and got 1 hit and 2 sustained 3 hits for 7 hits with 3 attacks. It was nuts. When his randomness comes in line he is just sick. On the flip side in my game his durability was crappy and I kept rolling no FNPs but my dice on defense the entire game was crap. My offense I rolled well all the time. It is the nature of his randomness.

 

I get many players want more stable picks but part of the fun is the fact that he's so swingy. I don't think he's overcosted though.

Swingy can be fun, but imho iconic characters shouldn’t be too swingy.

rolling a 1 on a random attack feels bad enough on its own, let alone when it’s with a character who is supposed to be among the very best warriors in the entire imperium.

[HeadlessCross]

On 11/11/2024 at 5:23 PM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

And? So what if they don’t get the BA units?

BA don’t get victrix guard, calgar, tigurius, or any other UM specific units.

 

lone operative doesn’t remotely justify his price.

 

only 1 generic and 1 unique character can join SG, and only DC captains can join any DC unit.

 

That doesn’t really explain why other characters in the marine dex aren’t equally as cheap

 

thr iron father is nearly twice the price of a techmarine 

 

shrine is like 15 points more than generic jump captain

 

kantor is 10 more points than a generic captain 

vulkan is 20 more points than a generic captain.

 

none of those chapters have access to any special squads or vehicles either yet they’re more expensive than generic counter parts or UM counter parts.

ventris is 75 points and kantor is 90…I don’t really believe that kantor is that much better and still costs more than the BAC.

 

the DCC that can actually join a specialist BA unit is also 10 points cheaper than the BAC.

 

dante and minimum SG is 265 points compared to calgar and his guard at only 185 points.…the extra bodyguard model and jump pack don’t justify that points difference.

 

VG, gets 5 attacks at S5 hitting on 2+  AP-2 D2

SG swords (the best option) gets 4 attacks hitting on 3+ at S6 AP-3 D2.

so they’re relatively even, but the SG cost nearly as much as calgar and his guard…

I like how you say that 4 models is more expensive than 3 models LOL

 

Yeah Jump Packs matter a LOT, actually. Have you tried actually playing Calgar deathstar?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

I like how you say that 4 models is more expensive than 3 models LOL

 

Yeah Jump Packs matter a LOT, actually. Have you tried actually playing Calgar deathstar?

Where are you getting 3 models vs 4?

calgar and VG are 3 models. SG is 3 models.