TheNicronomicon Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 Space Wolves can no longer use the Biologis model, so now I've got a figure from my Leviathan set that's basically useless to me. Do you think there's any value in selling/trading him, or should I dive in to converting him to a Gravis Captain with a master-crafter bolter (a left arm with a rifle and cauldron molded on from the heavy intercessor sprue) and power axe (right-hand axe from TWC)? And how weird would a Wulfen power pack look on a Gravis model? Inquisitor_Lensoven and SvenIronhand 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 That’s what I’d do if I were you. TheNicronomicon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsword Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 Unless I'm being super blind I can't where in the Index or Balance dataslate it says Wolves can't use him. Where is it printed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metzombie Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 First Page of the SW Index under RESTRICTIONS. You can not include "Apothecary" Units TheNicronomicon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 Frankly this is something I am quite unhappy about. Wolves are now the only Chapter who cannot access the full range of Primaris units for no good reason. In fluff, Wolf Priests fulfil a dual role as Chaplains and Apothecaries but in 10th edition they get no healing rules at all and have just become Chaplains. Also, the Biologis has no role in healing and there is no reason in fluff or game balance to exclude him from Space Wolf armies. I have written to GW to ask them to make sure that our Codex fixes this and I would encourage others to do the same while our Codex is not yet locked down. Either give our Wolf Priests back their healing abilities as per the fluff or update the fluff to give us access to Primaris Apothecaries (both regular and Biologis). Quite frankly the exclusion is arbitrary and just mean-spirited at this point. I have kept mine as I sometimes run my Wolves using other Detachment rules (particularly Firestorm). Granted this means I can't take units like Ragnar and basically have to run them as Grey Marines but at least it means I can still take him out for a spin every once in a while. TheNicronomicon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 (edited) 10 hours ago, Karhedron said: Frankly this is something I am quite unhappy about. Wolves are now the only Chapter who cannot access the full range of Primaris units for no good reason. In fluff, Wolf Priests fulfil a dual role as Chaplains and Apothecaries but in 10th edition they get no healing rules at all and have just become Chaplains. Also, the Biologis has no role in healing and there is no reason in fluff or game balance to exclude him from Space Wolf armies. I have written to GW to ask them to make sure that our Codex fixes this and I would encourage others to do the same while our Codex is not yet locked down. Either give our Wolf Priests back their healing abilities as per the fluff or update the fluff to give us access to Primaris Apothecaries (both regular and Biologis). Quite frankly the exclusion is arbitrary and just mean-spirited at this point. I have kept mine as I sometimes run my Wolves using other Detachment rules (particularly Firestorm). Granted this means I can't take units like Ragnar and basically have to run them as Grey Marines but at least it means I can still take him out for a spin every once in a while. i wouldn't be surprised if this rumored wolf priest kit has a build that restores Wolf Priest hearing... but I don't think we're getting that Biologis though. Edited November 12 by Wispy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Rune Priest Jbickb Posted November 12 Solution Share Posted November 12 OP, unlesss it's your only hobby project at the moment, hold it for after codex. There might be a good proxy for it or something else worth making into besides a gravis captain. TheNicronomicon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 Give it a Crozius, leave the rest as is and Proxy it as a Wolf Priest is how I'd handle it. Brother Carpenter and Apokalypsi 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNicronomicon Posted November 12 Author Share Posted November 12 19 hours ago, Karhedron said: Frankly this is something I am quite unhappy about. Wolves are now the only Chapter who cannot access the full range of Primaris units for no good reason. In fluff, Wolf Priests fulfil a dual role as Chaplains and Apothecaries but in 10th edition they get no healing rules at all and have just become Chaplains. Also, the Biologis has no role in healing and there is no reason in fluff or game balance to exclude him from Space Wolf armies. I have written to GW to ask them to make sure that our Codex fixes this and I would encourage others to do the same while our Codex is not yet locked down. Either give our Wolf Priests back their healing abilities as per the fluff or update the fluff to give us access to Primaris Apothecaries (both regular and Biologis). Quite frankly the exclusion is arbitrary and just mean-spirited at this point. I have kept mine as I sometimes run my Wolves using other Detachment rules (particularly Firestorm). Granted this means I can't take units like Ragnar and basically have to run them as Grey Marines but at least it means I can still take him out for a spin every once in a while. It really makes me mad—he was powering up my Aggressors and Eradicators and now he’s just sitting on sidelines babbling about Codex compliance instead of smashing xenos. I blame the Lion. 7 hours ago, Rune Priest Jbickb said: OP, unlesss it's your only hobby project at the moment, hold it for after codex. There might be a good proxy for it or something else worth making into besides a gravis captain. This is probably the way to go. I’ll set the bits aside just in case but might as well hold out and see what we get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsword Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 My inner D&D rules lawyer is coming out It states explicit unit names in the excluded units paragraph, not "units with these keywords". So by GW's rules logic and how unit and keyword targetting works in other rules and strategems you can still use the Biologis until they update the Index to explicitly exclude the Apothecary Biologis or change it to say "units with these keywords" (which I doubt will happen unless someone does ridiculously well in a tournament running one in Champions of Russ). TLDR; rules as intended is most likely as you say, but rules as written you can totally use him still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metzombie Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Quote It states explicit unit names in the excluded units paragraph No, it does not. Anythin in Bold is a Keyword and the Apothecary Biologis has the Apothecary Keyword. So no, RAW you can not use them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsword Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Ah my misunderstanding then. I took it to be explicit unit names. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 On 11/11/2024 at 5:37 PM, Karhedron said: Frankly this is something I am quite unhappy about. Wolves are now the only Chapter who cannot access the full range of Primaris units for no good reason. In fluff, Wolf Priests fulfil a dual role as Chaplains and Apothecaries but in 10th edition they get no healing rules at all and have just become Chaplains. Also, the Biologis has no role in healing and there is no reason in fluff or game balance to exclude him from Space Wolf armies. I have written to GW to ask them to make sure that our Codex fixes this and I would encourage others to do the same while our Codex is not yet locked down. Either give our Wolf Priests back their healing abilities as per the fluff or update the fluff to give us access to Primaris Apothecaries (both regular and Biologis). Quite frankly the exclusion is arbitrary and just mean-spirited at this point. I have kept mine as I sometimes run my Wolves using other Detachment rules (particularly Firestorm). Granted this means I can't take units like Ragnar and basically have to run them as Grey Marines but at least it means I can still take him out for a spin every once in a while. Do BT have access to primaris psykers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: Do BT have access to primaris psykers? Nope. They used to be detachment restricted, but they changed that recently to be faction restricted. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384571-the-fate-of-my-biologis/#findComment-6075614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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