Grotmas Calendar 2024 - New Detachments Edition

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

They put the Marine Detachment up early.

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_wh40k_grotmas_detachment_space_marines_librarius_conclave_11_12_2024-nlqw9ia0wq-d1eejjj1xp.pdf

 

It's a Librarian Detachment.

 

58 minutes ago, redmapa said:

That's actually a cool   detachment, makes me hopeful to see a version of that idea for Templars but based on Chaplains and/or Castellans. 

I felt it would have made a better Aeldari detachment for an army that can make use of those rules without being a skew list. I do like how flavorful it is.

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, jaxom said:

I felt it would have made a better Aeldari detachment for an army that can make use of those rules without being a skew list. I do like how flavorful it is.

 

My thoughts when reading it were "I hope Thousand Sons get something like this" tbh.

 

It's a nice flavourful Detachment that honestly seems like it was pushed through by whichever GW employee managed to get Blood Ravens canonised.

[LSM]

1 hour ago, AutumnEffect said:

I reckon it will be Terminator themed. Abaddon and his boys. Something analogous to the 1st company detachment loyalists get.

 

My hope would be either a return of a Creations of Bile theme (which they probably would have hinted at if so, so unlikely) or a more classic Word Bearers style one (with greater Daemon integration and "summoning" shenanigans, instead of the very Black Legion-y Pactbound Zealots that they're forced to associate with).

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

They put the Marine Detachment up early.

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_wh40k_grotmas_detachment_space_marines_librarius_conclave_11_12_2024-nlqw9ia0wq-d1eejjj1xp.pdf

 

It's a Librarian Detachment.

 

Hmm, that is slightly underwhelming. How do the keywords work with relation to Leaders and Bodyguards? If I have a Terminator Librarian leading a squad of Terminators, does the whole unit have the Psyker keyword or just the Libby?

[Indy Techwisp]

6 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

Hmm, that is slightly underwhelming. How do the keywords work with relation to Leaders and Bodyguards? If I have a Terminator Librarian leading a squad of Terminators, does the whole unit have the Psyker keyword or just the Libby?

 

The whole unit has [Psyker] if any models within it have [Psyker].

 

To use an example from my main Faction, if I have a unit of Rubrics, they have [Psyker] because the Aspiring Sorcerer has that keyword.

But if his Plasma Pistol explodes and I remove him, then the Rubrics no longer have [Psyker] because the one model that had it isn't in the unit anymore.

[Karhedron]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

The whole unit has [Psyker] if any models within it have [Psyker].

 

OK, that is a relief, otherwise it would have been DoA.

[ThePenitentOne]

Oh no.

I regularly whine about marines getting everything.

I regularly whine about the removal of chosen psychic powers from 10th.

Now GW decides to fix the lack of chosen powers... But only for marines.

Melon-fether!

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

It's a nice flavourful Detachment that honestly seems like it was pushed through by whichever GW employee managed to get Blood Ravens canonised.

 

Typical Blood Ravens, then, "acquiring" things from others.

[Casual Heresy]

I'm quite liking this Marine detachment. It dosen't feel utterly broken but it does seem effective when you lean fully into it. It will be one that takes a few games to get one's head around but rewarding once you figure it out. Definetly one I want to play about with and a great excuse to kitbash some more cool Librarian models.

[SvenIronhand]

IDK how much utility I'd get from this, given I have a grand total of two Librarians. 

[jaxom]

11 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

IDK how much utility I'd get from this, given I have a grand total of two Librarians. 

It’s definitely a bespoke detachment. Maybe more so than the Knights ones?

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, SvenIronhand said:

IDK how much utility I'd get from this, given I have a grand total of two Librarians. 

That's the core issue, really. Librarians legit don't add a lot to their units offensively, and, while bringing the 4++ is good, it's still expensive. 

 

I can see some top tables trying to make it work but not a lot, if at all. I'd like to give it a go using Kantor + Bladeguard, and then three max squads of Sternguard + Librarians. 

[Dr. Clock]

I am more excited to play this detachment at the end of the day than I was to start... Purely on the fact that this will give me a cool way to do a 'Bromancy Crusade' list with Librarian(s) from across my collections of Salamanders, Lamenters and Deathwatch, with the oldest one being a 2nd ed. metal and the newest the Leviathan terminator.

 

This list will indeed feature terminators, even though they are now pretty bad... but it'll be fun to try and make a rock list with 20 4++ marines and 10 terminators all with Telekinesis protection as a start.

 

End of the day this doesn't seem better than the better SM detachments, but it seems decent if you build around it pull off a few clever plays to attack enemy weaknesses. It seems alot like Gladius in that regard except you can kinda just pick one of the benefits to use all game instead of being forced to change turn over turn.

 

Favorite thing I just spotted: librarian in Sternguard and Fusilade for 5+ devastating on vehicles/monsters, or 24" range vs infantry. I've used a libby in 10 Sternguard in Vanguard detachment recently and it was a fun little package even though I had to play carefully to get mileage out of them. With 5+ anti-vehicle devastating they can even possibly contribute to the early game armour hunting instead of always hiding until infantry start getting exposed.

 

Anyway - this is interesting and I'll run it for fun some time soon for sure.

 

Cheers,

 

The God Doctor.

[chapter master 454]

I agree with that Sternguard libby combo.

 

Currently cooking something with Dark Angels because I want to see Lion with the new damage 2 profile.

Also need to look into black knights...

There is a lot of new ingredients in the cupboard and I want to cook. Kind of excited.

[Casual Heresy]

I've got three different ideas for three different chapters rattling round my head right now.

 

- Dark Angels Inner Circle Companions, Librarians and the Lion

- Blood Angels triple Terminator with Librarians and Mephiston (trying to capture the power of those 30 terminator World Eater lists that occasionally pop up in loyalist form)

- A balanced Ultramarine list with a slight Sternguard skew and Tigirius leading Bladeguard.

 

Of those none would be close to being fieldable. For the DA list I have the Lion, a kitbashed Ezekiel proxy and no ICC, and the rest of my units are heavily Deathwing focussed so not much of a balanced force to back it up. For the BA I have the Terminator shoulder pads, and a strong desire to make a modern version of my old Archangels force from ten years ago. The UM are closest to fieldable potentially because I have a fully painted force with options, would just need Sternguard and to paint up Tigirius and build another couple of Librarians.

 

As usual though It will be a very long time before I can turn my attention to one of those and Ive got other things to get done first. But might just pick one and aim to have it fieldable before the end of the edition.

[redmapa]

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_warhammer40000_grotmas_detachment_chaos_space_marines_creations_of_bile-t7kle8wrix-efboacnkxv.pdf

 

CSM detachment is out and it's Fabulous Bill and his boys, maybe he won't be in the EC codex.

 

I love these detachments with all these moving parts and options, really opens up the chance to personalize your force. More options for the players are always good imo.

Edited December 12 by redmapa

[Indy Techwisp]

6 minutes ago, redmapa said:

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_warhammer40000_grotmas_detachment_chaos_space_marines_creations_of_bile-t7kle8wrix-efboacnkxv.pdf

 

CSM detachment is out and it's Fabulous Bill and his boys, maybe he won't be in the EC codex.

 

I love these detachments with all these moving parts and options, really opens up the chance to personalize your force. More options for the players are always good imo.

 

We already knew Fabulous Bill wasn't going to the EC codex, since a) He quit being an EC long ago and b) He wasn't moved to Index:EC.

Edited December 12 by Indy Techwisp

[Indy Techwisp]

Anyway.

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Grotmas, of course, shows us that there’s no such thing as too much of a good thing, which is why we have two Detachments tomorrow. We’ve looked into the future and seen that the Aeldari are next. Farseers might be famously hard to get presents for… but they’ve planned for this.

 

2 Detachments tomorrow, but only Aeldari named.

...so Drukhari as well then?

[redmapa]

Arent Ynnari and Harlequins sharing a codex with Vanilla Eldar? I could see them getting a detachment tomorrow or one of them and another for normal Eldar, I think DE would be mentioned if they were getting a detachment

[AutumnEffect]

I think it will be a Harlequin themed detachment.

 

Maybe one that's Aspect Warrior themed and another for Harlequins. 

[Indy Techwisp]

We've already been told the Harlequin and Ynnari Detachments are in the main codex, along with a Corsairs Detachment.

 

Edit:

Woe, quote be upon ye:

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The Asuryani wander the stars in colossal craftworlds, each with its own unique philosophies and traditions that translate into a distinct approach to battle. There are eight separate Detachments, which include the all-round Warhost, and more specialised formations such as the Seer Council, the Windrider Host, the Harlequins’ Ghosts of the Webway, the Devoted of Ynnead and the Aspect Host – in which the new Aspect Warriors deploy in the terrifying shadow of the Avatar of Khaine.

In addition to those six, the Corsairs one was mentioned on stream.

Edited December 12 by Indy Techwisp

[Wormwoods]

Gonna make a wild guess that I won't be getting the jetbike themed detachment I'm craving. 

 

Edit: because I forgot we're getting one in the Codex. Bike Autarch pls

Edited December 12 by Wormwoods

[Borbarad]

Creations of Bile detachement looks very nice and thematic. They borrowed a variant of the WE army rule, but imho it fits them much better. 

[Karhedron]

Wow, creations of Bile looks pretty tasty. Strong baseline ability and a good suite of Enhancements and Stratagems. I have never played Chaos but I have often been tempted. The lure of the dark gods is strong.

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Borbarad said:

Creations of Bile detachement looks very nice and thematic. They borrowed a variant of the WE army rule, but imho it fits them much better. 

 

I'm pretty sure it's just Combat Drugs from the dark Eldar.

 

But it also looks very, very good. Kinda rough to have 0 help to your bigger things, but having a lot of help to infantry is really cool.  Bringing back legionnaires is gonna feel great.