Grotmas Calendar 2024 - New Detachments Edition

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, Borbarad said:

Although I'm surprised that this one was not reserved for the new Guard codex. Wonder what that one will contain.

 

We have the full list somewhere around here iirc.

[Lord Marshal]

49 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

And for anyone wondering, the response from the peanut gallery that is Reddit is...

Mixed.

Most of the complaints seem to be that it's not a Detachment that's already confirmed for the codex (I.e. "This sucks, we should've gotten a Tank Detachment instead.") so we can chalk some of it up to poor reading skills.

 

Surprised people are so bothered when we're probably only a few weeks away from the next Guard 'dex. 

[Cactus]

16 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

 

However I think it will be very good when the new Codex arrives. The Eldar faction rule is being changed to Battle Focus which allows units with Assault weapons to Move-Shoot-Advance. When this happens, giving every vehicle in the army Assault weapons will suddenly become a very useful ability. Imagine every tank in the army being able to move, shoot and then scoot back into cover. The more I think about it, the more I think that this Detachment was designed with the new Codex in mind.

The 2nd edition pop-up attack is (sort of) back, but now war walkers can do it too! Vehicles in my eldar collection never expanded much beyond one falcon and a unit of jetbikes but the concept here is enticing me to dig out some unfinished models and keep an eye out for the codex release.

[Tastyfish]

4 hours ago, Borbarad said:

Another winner in he Grotmas calendar. Apart from the Necron (potentially overpowered) and the TSons (neither strong nor fluffy), all detachments so far get a thumbs up from me 

 

Although I'm surprised that this one was not reserved for the new Guard codex. Wonder what that one will contain.

 

 

 

The current mixed regiment one, Mechanised Assault based around jumping in and out of transports, Siege with artillery (including an ability in some way of firing on your own guys), Tanks and a Scout/Recon detachment.

[DemonGSides]

This guard one is fine and cool. No Leontus so that one enhancement is an auto take. 

 

Enhancements being mostly locked to Scions kinda stinks. I'm hoping the multiple order one is spread to other detatchments cuz it's real cool.  The On My Position one is gonna work real well one time and that'll be the highlight of a game.

 

It's fun and fine. If you're into vehicles you're probably still gonna lean index, but this is great if you wanna go tide of humanity even if you don't bring a ton of Scions. Even if you bring a single squad with a command squad for the multi order enhancement, that's probably enough value.   Might try it; gotta put together some more infantry first!

Edited December 15 by DemonGSides

[sairence]

17 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

And for anyone wondering, the response from the peanut gallery that is Reddit is...

Mixed.

Most of the complaints seem to be that it's not a Detachment that's already confirmed for the codex (I.e. "This sucks, we should've gotten a Tank Detachment instead.") so we can chalk some of it up to poor reading skills.

 

Lol. Well, the feedback in more competitive circles and Discords has people sweating at what this detachment might be able to do. It's definitely been a good day for the Guard. 

[HeadlessCross]

18 hours ago, Cpt_Reaper said:

Guard detachment is up, just the article hasn't gone live apparently.

 

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_grotmas_detachment_astra_militarum_bridgehead_strike_2024-vwm6rffrsh-tmndy9eaer.pdf

 

TL;DR - it's a scions focused detachment

I find it strange to do a Scion detachment since that's something that should be in the codex to begin with. 

 

Anyway, the detachment slaps hard. If you want to do infantry Guard, use this ASAP. 

[Indy Techwisp]

4 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

I find it strange to do a Scion detachment since that's something that should be in the codex to begin with. 

 

Anyway, the detachment slaps hard. If you want to do infantry Guard, use this ASAP. 

 

For whatever reason, this Detachment didn't make the final cut for the Codex, hence why we got it here.

 

That said, there's a few rumours going around that the Guard Codex was 9th Ed LoV levels of OP and half the codex has had to be reworked already, so it might be that it just fell below the power curve of the other Detachments.

[Mogger351]

For todays are we anticipating that they'll be for faction chaos daemons, or do we think they'll soft squat daemons as a faction and put the detachments under the legion flags? It'll still work for EC with their index technically.

[Indy Techwisp]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

For todays are we anticipating that they'll be for faction chaos daemons, or do we think they'll soft squat daemons as a faction and put the detachments under the legion flags? It'll still work for EC with their index technically.

 

I presume they'll be under the Grotmas tab as normal and Pure Daemons will just stay as an Index the whole edition, like what Deathwatch have been rolled back to.

[Mogger351]

6 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I presume they'll be under the Grotmas tab as normal and Pure Daemons will just stay as an Index the whole edition, like what Deathwatch have been rolled back to.

It flies in the face of rumours about them being split out, but I suppose if they want to stick fingers in their ears and NANANANANANA by maintaining all the units in 2 places and they dropping them in 11th, that technically wouldn't contradict I suppose?

[Indy Techwisp]

OK, so.

We have Khorne, Tzeentch and Slaanesh Detachments, but no Nurgle one yet as far as I can see.

Edit: They added Nurgle's right as I posted.

Edited December 16 by Indy Techwisp

[Indy Techwisp]

7 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

It flies in the face of rumours about them being split out, but I suppose if they want to stick fingers in their ears and NANANANANANA by maintaining all the units in 2 places and they dropping them in 11th, that technically wouldn't contradict I suppose?

 

To clarify.

I fully expecting them to be rolled into the Monogod armies, like how Deathwatch was rolled into Inquisitorial Agents.

 

However, I think the fact that Daemons have gotten all 4 Monogod Detachments now means that they've learnt from the backlash they recived by just sending Deathwatch to Legends, so Daemons will probably persist as an index for now to avoid another similar outrage.

[Indy Techwisp]

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Great gifts indeed from the big four. Tomorrow we return with another true meaning of Grotmas: profit, as embodied by the Leagues of Votann!

 

Leagues of Votann next.

[Mogger351]

15 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

To clarify.

I fully expecting them to be rolled into the Monogod armies, like how Deathwatch was rolled into Inquisitorial Agents.

 

However, I think the fact that Daemons have gotten all 4 Monogod Detachments now means that they've learnt from the backlash they recived by just sending Deathwatch to Legends, so Daemons will probably persist as an index for now to avoid another similar outrage.

I understand your viewpoint but that's a plaster that may need pulling off at some point. Ironically given the intent to bundle them into the god specifc books, this actually means these detachments will not be available to those books as a result, so it's dividing the factions further.

[Indy Techwisp]

Uhh...

Anyone else noticed the artwork on the side of the Daemon Detachments are Marines?

The Tzeentch one has a Helbrute.

 

Edit:

Not gonna throw another picture in here, but the stratagem page for the Tzeentch one has a Rubric Marine on it.

Edited December 16 by Indy Techwisp

[Jscarlos18]

17 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Uhh...

Anyone else noticed the artwork on the side of the Daemon Detachments are Marines?

The Tzeentch one has a Helbrute.

 

Edit:

Not gonna throw another picture in here, but the stratagem page for the Tzeentch one has a Rubric Marine on it.

Nice catch!

[TheMawr]

All of them do, deathguard has the same border as nurgle daemons like TS/tzeentch daemons. Slaanesh has some zoomed in armor.

 

Not much to read into it though, GW graphic design does weirder things. ( even though even without the rumors id always expected when EC comes daemons would go with cult legions, seemed to be the final intend ever since khorne daemonkin codex to me, afterwards further proven by AoS doing that with tzeentch and eventually all of them. ) 

 

 

Btw one weirder graphic design choice is using that very image for thousand sons in the first place.

[Indy Techwisp]

7 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

Btw one weirder graphic design choice is using that very image for thousand sons in the first place.

 

I did just go back and check.

It is the same art used for Thousand Sons and Death Guard's Detachments.

So presumably the World Eaters Detachment will share art with the Khorne Detachment.

Edited December 16 by Indy Techwisp

[LSM]

While the art for all the Daemons detachments are Cult Legion focussed (a big hint that they will indeed by folded in) three out of four do have rules which reference the Chaos Daemons Army Rule 'Shadow of Chaos'.

 

So these can't slide seamlessly into use with future Cult Legions codexes.

[Lord Abaia]

The artwork for the slaanesh detachment is a little hard to make out, but I would guess that it's depicting some power armor breastplate above a snake body. Is anyone else picking up on that?

[LSM]

I don't know if I'd read too much into it.

 

The Khorne second page highlights some skull-faced dude with a Slaanesh monocle, so I don't think it's indicative of future releases. (Unless the Emperor's Children release is so big that they're taking over the World Eaters as well.)

 

 

Edited December 16 by LSM

[redmapa]

22 minutes ago, LSM said:

While the art for all the Daemons detachments are Cult Legion focussed (a big hint that they will indeed by folded in) three out of four do have rules which reference the Chaos Daemons Army Rule 'Shadow of Chaos'.

 

So these can't slide seamlessly into use with future Cult Legions codexes.

 

That's an easy fix, have the army rule change from the cult legion one to shadows of chaos if your Warlord is a Herald, Greater Demon or Demon Prince. One book, two potential army rules.

[Indy Techwisp]

14 minutes ago, redmapa said:

That's an easy fix, have the army rule change from the cult legion one to shadows of chaos if your Warlord is a Herald, Greater Demon or Demon Prince. One book, two potential army rules.

 

Could also simply mean that Daemons as it stands now will remain as an index like Deathwatch are and the Monogod factions will get Daemons with new datasheets instead.

 

So for example you'd have Index: Daemons Blue Horrors and then Thousand Sons Blue Horrors with different datasheets and army rules.

[TheMawr]

34 minutes ago, redmapa said:

 

That's an easy fix, have the army rule change from the cult legion one to shadows of chaos if your Warlord is a Herald, Greater Demon or Demon Prince. One book, two potential army rules.

 

Thats a lot of faith there ;)

There have been so many instances Where i thought the solution would be So simple. 

 

Right now i wouldnt even be suprised if it is just the daemon datasheets in the codex, but with every current allying rules, no interaction or synergy and no printed daemon army rule.. and at least one technicallity wich.. technically speaking makes the whole thing useless ( like having one armies ally rules on another armies detachment, while common sense knows the intend, technically that makes the ally rule unusable)

 

I hope people are right and the TS grotmas detachment is made to shine with the daemon inclusion.. but i half expect that one to not even work with or for daemons one way or another.  ( though.. the robotics will likely have psychic weapons, so there is at least that )