Grotmas Calendar 2024 - New Detachments Edition

[Indy Techwisp]

The Genestealer Cults Detachment "Final Day" has been uploaded.

 

It is, in fact, the Detachment where you soup in some 'nids.

 

Edit: More specifically, you can soup in 500/1000/1500pts worth of "Vanguard Invader" Tyranids (excluding Aircraft, Genestealers and Broodlords) based on your army point limit.

Edited December 18 by Indy Techwisp

[Tastyfish]

22 hours ago, Jscarlos18 said:

I can see GSC detachment be a way to use the Great Devourer keyword to soup them with Tyranids.

 

It's up on the Downloads page now - The Final Day, allows you to soup in Vanguard Invader Tyranids (Not sure if this include things like warriors with a flying prime attached).

 

Core rule is if a GSC unit is within Synapse range of a Tyranid one, you can inflict D3+1 MW to heal the Tyranid unit by the same amount whilst also giving the Tyranid unit +1 to hit until you next movement phase (so also boosting overwatch and close combat in the enemy's turn).

 

Tyranids also get a 6" aura that gives GSC units +1 to hit.

Enhancements include +1 to S and Dmg for Winged Hive Tyrant melee weapons, preventing overwatch targeting a GSC unit, sustained hits for a GSC unit within 6" of Tyranids and double healing from the Detachment rule.

 

 

Vanguard Invader units are:

Flying Tyrants

Flying Primes

Deathleaper

Parasite of Mortrex

 

Neurolictors

Lictors

 

Raveners

Von Ryan's Leapers

Gargoyles

 

Trygons

Mawlocs

 

and umm, the Tyrannocyte I guess.

 

Edited December 18 by Tastyfish

[Indy Techwisp]

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And what’s more Grotmassy than futile vengeance almost immediately before being digested once and for all? We’re back on familiar Grotmas ground tomorrow: plump cherubs and their Adepta Sororitas allies.

 

So it's Sisters of Battle tomorrow.

 

What are we thinking for them, soup in Guard for Frateris Militia?

[AutumnEffect]

- woops, sniped

Edited December 18 by AutumnEffect

[Wormwoods]

6 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

So it's Sisters of Battle tomorrow.

 

What are we thinking for them, soup in Guard for Frateris Militia?

I would be here for a very merry Soupsmas.

[Indy Techwisp]

14 minutes ago, Wormwoods said:

I would be here for a very merry Soupsmas.

 

Even wilder thought.

Soup in Black Templars.

 

I have no logical reason for suggesting that besides that their vibes are the same.

[Jscarlos18]

I'm curious to know why GW decided the Broodlord and normal Genestealers can't be used in this detachment. Otherwise, neat way to combine GSC with normal Tyranids.

[Tastyfish]

28 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

So it's Sisters of Battle tomorrow.

 

What are we thinking for them, soup in Guard for Frateris Militia?

 

Possible but you do already have that combination the other way around, with Imperial Agents sisters in a Guard force.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Jscarlos18 said:

I'm curious to know why GW decided the Broodlord and normal Genestealers can't be used in this detachment. Otherwise, neat way to combine GSC with normal Tyranids.

 

I think it would be too confusing to have Purestrains and Hivefleet Genestealers in the same army. Plus why would the Hivemind send out for more Genestealers when they have Genestealers at home?

Edited December 18 by Tastyfish

[Jscarlos18]

True, never thought of that.

[AutumnEffect]

24 minutes ago, Jscarlos18 said:

I'm curious to know why GW decided the Broodlord and normal Genestealers can't be used in this detachment. Otherwise, neat way to combine GSC with normal Tyranids.

 

They probably don't want to open the possibility of doubling up on from both armies.
6 genestealer units and 6 broodlords.

[Lord Marshal]

The lore for this one is actually the most interesting takeaway imo. It sort of sews all the various "this is what happens to the Cults once the Tyranids arrive" bullet points together and solidifies them as potentially all happening at once - whereas I think most other depictions it's been an all-or-nothing type of deal, whether they're snapped out of it or jump into the Mt. Dew pools en mass. 

[redmapa]

3 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Even wilder thought.

Soup in Black Templars.

 

I have no logical reason for suggesting that besides that their vibes are the same.

 

That's not so wild, BT got a crappy "decurion/formation/thing" in late 7th where you could mix Guard, SoB and BT into a Crusade force so something like that returning isn't that out there.

 

At this point I guess the remaining chapters are all going to be out back to back, I seriously cannot wait to see what GW gives us Templars considering this is the first time in YEARS where we are getting rules that are not based on Vows.

[Rogue]

I like it as an idea, and it feels very fluffy. But it's the second GSC detachment that kinda requires that you have a whole different army to dip into. Which I don't.

 

If I want to play this, I need to go buy, build and paint 1000ish points of Nids (which are then only relevant when I'm playing this specific detachment). And by the time I've done that (partly because I paint slow, and partly because I don't have the cash to drop on that much plastic at once), it'll likely be 11th edition anyway.

 

Given that we already have the Brood Brother Auxilia detachment, that's now 33% of our detachment options that need a different army to play.

 

I realise that I'm being grumpy, but I've been enjoying the whole Grotmas thing as an observer. Then we finally get to the Cult, and it's a detachment I like the look of, but I'm not going to get to play. Bah, humbug.

[HeadlessCross]

9 minutes ago, Rogue said:

I like it as an idea, and it feels very fluffy. But it's the second GSC detachment that kinda requires that you have a whole different army to dip into. Which I don't.

 

If I want to play this, I need to go buy, build and paint 1000ish points of Nids (which are then only relevant when I'm playing this specific detachment). And by the time I've done that (partly because I paint slow, and partly because I don't have the cash to drop on that much plastic at once), it'll likely be 11th edition anyway.

 

Given that we already have the Brood Brother Auxilia detachment, that's now 33% of our detachment options that need a different army to play.

 

I realise that I'm being grumpy, but I've been enjoying the whole Grotmas thing as an observer. Then we finally get to the Cult, and it's a detachment I like the look of, but I'm not going to get to play. Bah, humbug.

Then use a different detachment? 

[jaxom]

36 minutes ago, redmapa said:

I seriously cannot wait to see what GW gives us Templars considering this is the first time in YEARS where we are getting rules that are not based on Vows.

I have two guesses. Either a Terminator and Sword Brethren focused Marshal’s household detachment or a Chaplain focused Redemption detachment (i.e. BT seeking penance for failing at something).

[redmapa]

21 minutes ago, jaxom said:

I have two guesses. Either a Terminator and Sword Brethren focused Marshal’s household detachment or a Chaplain focused Redemption detachment (i.e. BT seeking penance for failing at something).

 

After seeing the Librarian Coven I hope it's a Chaplain Detachment, I got 10 Chaplains and I need another excuse to bring them out!

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Rogue said:

I like it as an idea, and it feels very fluffy. But it's the second GSC detachment that kinda requires that you have a whole different army to dip into. Which I don't.

 

If I want to play this, I need to go buy, build and paint 1000ish points of Nids (which are then only relevant when I'm playing this specific detachment). And by the time I've done that (partly because I paint slow, and partly because I don't have the cash to drop on that much plastic at once), it'll likely be 11th edition anyway.

 

Given that we already have the Brood Brother Auxilia detachment, that's now 33% of our detachment options that need a different army to play.

 

I realise that I'm being grumpy, but I've been enjoying the whole Grotmas thing as an observer. Then we finally get to the Cult, and it's a detachment I like the look of, but I'm not going to get to play. Bah, humbug.

 

It's not for you and that's okay too. Some people are going to have different collections of models. This detatchment helps them out; specifically, in past editions, allying in Tyranids with GSC was normal and common.  In 10th that mostly went away.  This brings it back; much like the Tyranid detatchment brought back infinite warriors.  

 

It's not a zero sum situation; you didn't lose out on anything by not having this detatchment. And if a buddy does have some Tyranids, you could borrow them and play with this.

 

Better to allow more opportunities for play, I'm my opinion.   I kinda wish it would work the other way, tbh; I've got a lot more Nids than I do GSC at this point. 

[TheMawr]

On 11/24/2024 at 5:32 PM, TheMawr said:

If I where GW I'd make an Auxillery detachment for Tau, that allows you to include select guard as Gue Vesa and votann as Demiurg, and harvest some extra sales from people buying allies and then having bought in these armies and expanding on them with the upcoming codexes.

 

Honestly with a lot of these my mind immediately jumps to ally-in detachments. Worldeaters with extra CSM units, Admech+knights synergy focus, CSM "Belakor" detachment, dropping the Harlequin/Corsairs/Ynnari cross codex for Drukhari in a drukhari detachment instead of a standard ally rule, a last stage of "ascension" mixed GSC and Tyranids army etc. etc.

 

Spoiler

 

I also want to have a JP flavored there it is moment !

 

Regarding the BT + SoB thing, the soup formation at the end of 7th was purely to play the narrative wasnt it ? ( same with Ynnari, but there it annoyingly stuck around as their prime identity.) but it also wouldnt be that special, you already can have a way to soup some SoB with BT through imperial agents.
That said.. can you imagine the interesting projects people can do when making a BT flavored triumph of st.katherine ? wich is supported by Battle siblings. ( replace some sisters with neophytes.)

 

That in general is my response to the "well I dont have or want models from X even though I want to play that detachment." see them as interesting proxy projects.

Altough I guess the fear of it being useless in the future is warranted, I do expect 11th being a compatible edition again. ( it always seems to switch around.)

 

[Borbarad]

The Sisters of Battle detachement due tomorrow will be a soup detachement where you can take up to 50% of Grey Knights. It enables you to take mortal wounds on a sisters unit to give Grey Knights close by a 4+ FNP against mortals and psychic powers. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

[redmapa]

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Regarding the BT + SoB thing, the soup formation at the end of 7th was purely to play the narrative wasnt it ?

 

It was more narrative focused but it really was just GW giving us their minimal effort when every other chapter had their own set of formations and BT were left out of that supplement and instead we got that Crusade thing at the end of 7th.

[INKS]

Am I missing something?  What is this connection between grey knight and sisters?

[DemonGSides]

There's an old story about GK anointing their weapons in the blood of Sisters, but I think it's mostly been retconned. We got to this point because everyone expects another allies detatchment tomorrow, since Sisters already have a book. 

[Jscarlos18]

1 minute ago, INKS said:

Am I missing something?  What is this connection between grey knight and sisters?

A story where Grey knights killed SoB to coat themselves in their blood and thus be better protected against daemons.

[Rogue]

4 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

It's not for you and that's okay too. Some people are going to have different collections of models. This detatchment helps them out; specifically, in past editions, allying in Tyranids with GSC was normal and common.  In 10th that mostly went away.  This brings it back; much like the Tyranid detatchment brought back infinite warriors.  

 

It's not a zero sum situation; you didn't lose out on anything by not having this detatchment. And if a buddy does have some Tyranids, you could borrow them and play with this.

 

Better to allow more opportunities for play, I'm my opinion.   I kinda wish it would work the other way, tbh; I've got a lot more Nids than I do GSC at this point. 

 

Yeah, that's all true. And I'm glad there are people that this'll really work for - I just wish I was one of them.

[Indy Techwisp]

8 hours ago, INKS said:

Am I missing something?  What is this connection between grey knight and sisters?

 

Lord Marshal's profile picture is a reference to the story this connection comes from.

Take a closer look at it next time you see them.