Grotmas Calendar 2024 - New Detachments Edition

[Nephaston]

7 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Weren't they called the "New Men"?

That's one of his projects in the BL books. The name for his subfaction is Creations of Bile (which do not include New Men/Homo Novus or Gland Hounds)

[redmapa]

All I want for Christmas is a more offense oriented Guard detachment, maybe something to boost Mechanized Infantry or a buff to unis outside your deployment! Also it's gonna be interesting to see what they do with Templars since Vows have been our only detachment rule for several editions now so maybe a return of old Righteous Zeal? A Marshall's Household detachment would also be freaking sick!

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, redmapa said:

All I want for Christmas is a more offense oriented Guard detachment, maybe something to boost Mechanized Infantry or a buff to unis outside your deployment! Also it's gonna be interesting to see what they do with Templars since Vows have been our only detachment rule for several editions now so maybe a return of old Righteous Zeal? A Marshall's Household detachment would also be freaking sick!

Judging by the fact that Guard apparently Lack a Tempestus Scions detachment in their codex, I'd wager that's what the Grotmas Detachment will be.

[Dark Shepherd]

Is this GW trying to push people towards W+ (Battle Forge)?

Or even a step towards a more digital rules model?

 

[DemonGSides]

5 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Is this GW trying to push people towards W+ (Battle Forge)?

Or even a step towards a more digital rules model?

 

I'm not sure what this has to do with Warhammer+; these detatchments will be released for free through the Community site.

They want you using the app, but they've been pushing the app since Day 0 of 10th edition.  It's a solid app, they REALLY need to revisit their 'rules unlocking' methods, however.  All rules should be viewable, otherwise the app loses so much usefulness.

I like it for the command bunker aspect of my own list, but if I could double check an opponents data sheet really quick, that'd be slick.

[Indy Techwisp]

11 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Is this GW trying to push people towards W+ (Battle Forge)?

Or even a step towards a more digital rules model?

GW have been testing the waters with more Digital Rules content recently, so this may be an extension of that.

However, I think this is probably GW realising that essentially cutting their biggest selling product off of all releases for several months upto and including the Christmas Period was a bad move financially and they're releasing these to drum up some more interest for the Christmas sales and to Claw back a little goodwill from the community.

[ZeroWolf]

31 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

GW have been testing the waters with more Digital Rules content recently, so this may be an extension of that.

However, I think this is probably GW realising that essentially cutting their biggest selling product off of all releases for several months upto and including the Christmas Period was a bad move financially and they're releasing these to drum up some more interest for the Christmas sales and to Claw back a little goodwill from the community.

Given the turn around required, these were in the works when they announced no new 40k pre-orders.

 

Basically everything is still going according to their plan*

 

*leaks aside that is

[Dark Shepherd]

58 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I'm not sure what this has to do with Warhammer+; these detatchments will be released for free through the Community site.

They want you using the app, but they've been pushing the app since Day 0 of 10th edition.  It's a solid app, they REALLY need to revisit their 'rules unlocking' methods, however.  All rules should be viewable, otherwise the app loses so much usefulness.

I like it for the command bunker aspect of my own list, but if I could double check an opponents data sheet really quick, that'd be slick.

May have forgotten you can get the app (paid version) without getting warhammer plus

 

Should have said pushing people towards the app/app subscriptions.

Edited November 24 by Dark Shepherd

[TheMawr]

If I where GW I'd make an Auxillery detachment for Tau, that allows you to include select guard as Gue Vesa and votann as Demiurg, and harvest some extra sales from people buying allies and then having bought in these armies and expanding on them with the upcoming codexes.

 

Honestly with a lot of these my mind immediately jumps to ally-in detachments. Worldeaters with extra CSM units, Admech+knights synergy focus, CSM "Belakor" detachment, dropping the Harlequin/Corsairs/Ynnari cross codex for Drukhari in a drukhari detachment instead of a standard ally rule, a last stage of "ascension" mixed GSC and Tyranids army etc. etc.

[chapter master 454]

19 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

May have forgotten you can get the app (paid version) without getting warhammer plus

 

Should have said pushing people towards the app/app subscriptions.

 

What you mean Paid version? There's the free version and the sub version and the only difference between them is the sub version gives you unlimited army builder slots. IMO if they were to just change it slightly, making it so for each codex you have unlocked you get 1 army builder slot would be nice. So that would mean by default a normal user with their one army would have 2 slots to play with, someone with their 2 armies would have 3 and so on.

 

If there was a paid version of the app I think it would of been a massive relief of grumbles around the app itself which I find humourous really.

 

However, on the topic of new detachments; I am excited. Tau and Imperial Knights are the armies I am most interested in relating to this. Tau having a 5th detachment to play with would be good. Do agree that there is still plenty of room to play with for the faction. Not a Kroot guy personally but I do see a more combined greater good detachment being an interesting idea but balancing it  may be more about making kroot actually worth taking other than being objective monkeys as their damage output is just...well...I've got more faith in grots doing damage than kroot. A stealth detachment could be interesting, but also maybe one centred around Etherals? Could be interesting to have a "Honoured Protectors" list.

 

Knights are going to be curious to see. Will Imperial Knights show the same idea as Space Marines and gain a signature Stratagem in Rotate Ion Shields like how marines have Armour of Comtempt or will they show that such a design idea was binned or, in truth, armour of comtempt was just there because they have like 7 detachments and then also had to design divergent chapter stratagems so just had armour of comtempt help ease the burden of making stratagems!

 

[Ripper.McGuirl]

Here’s hoping for some kinda rad Eldar Corsair detachment.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I'd love an Imperial Fists Detachment but I'm guessing it's going to be a regular Astartes one. 

 

A shame we aren't getting 30 Imperial Fists Detachments. Imperial Fists are just so awesome and everything that isn't Imperial Fists makes me sad. 

[Dr. Clock]

I WANT IT ALL!

 

Hopefully this is a way for them to bootstrap the Index lists that aren't going to get any codex love until the last quarter of the edition, and to shine up some of the earlier misses with better options.

 

I hope they don't all end up so niche that they are not actually used much... The second Drukhari detachment was a great add that kinda took over at first, but then lots of people went back to Realspace and I now think they have good parity.

 

I wonder how much the quality and relevance of these may telegraph who is going to get those bottom of the edition codexes - it wouldn't surprise me if there are one or two outliers here that expose the studio decisions about how to keep Indexes relevant through the middle phase of codex releases... It's always so awkward when you hit like 75% of factions having codexes, but if they do this again next year and then 11th is not a reindex edition, I might actually buy the Votann and World Eaters this time 'round ; )

 

More likely this is the doorway to '10.5', or approximately the 'Armour of Contempt' moment, just that it's a global change rather than 'marines armour is just better for the last quarter of the edition' lol.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Indy Techwisp]

Just chiming in with an observation.

Usually when something's been sent to Legends and isn't usable in main 40k, it's removed from sale on the webstore, right?

 

I mentioned this back when the Inquisitorial Agents codex dropped, but Kill Team: Cassius is still on the site.

They're "Temporarily Out of Stock" and have been since the Codex dropped, but it's a little suspect that despite being in no Codexes and having been out of stock for months that they're still there in the Deathwatch Section, even several months later.

 

I'm getting the feeling that KT: Cassius is gonna be returning from Legends as part of the Deathwatch Rework.

 

Edit: Putting this in the Grotmas thread because Deathwatch may or may not be getting a downloadable Codex as theirs.

Edited November 25 by Indy Techwisp

[HeadlessCross]

11 hours ago, TheMawr said:

If I where GW I'd make an Auxillery detachment for Tau, that allows you to include select guard as Gue Vesa and votann as Demiurg, and harvest some extra sales from people buying allies and then having bought in these armies and expanding on them with the upcoming codexes.

 

 

That really shouldn't be a whole detachment. Instead, those rules should be default and we get GW to not do their asinine "No Model No Rules" and "Build only the box". Y'all will just complain about those though and continue to buy items anyway LOL

[Indy Techwisp]

38 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

That really shouldn't be a whole detachment. Instead, those rules should be default and we get GW to not do their asinine "No Model No Rules" and "Build only the box". Y'all will just complain about those though and continue to buy items anyway LOL

 

Well unfortunately those aren't the default rules and this isn't the right thread to be bashing "No model no rules" or "Build only the box" in either.

This is for the Grotmas Calendar, the Detachments it brings and potentially the Deathwatch Rework if that's part of this event.

[GeneralDarwin]

I counted up all the factions, and giving all divergent chapters a detachment (plus daemons getting 4) and I get to 30,
This however is assuming Agents get one, what has me really scratching my head is if deathwatch stay apart of agents
If they dont, ordo xenos becomes useless, though i guess they could move to a requisitioned army like sisters/grey knights

putting a detachment at each day, with the 4 daemons sharing a day and the divergent chapters sharing a day with vanilla marines, gets to 24 perfectly
but what this also assumes is Agents is on a different day than deathwatch, which if they are both still the same codex, is a tad weird

UNLESS the 30th detachment and final day is Emperor's Children?! (Big tin foil hat)
 

[DemonGSides]

31 minutes ago, GeneralDarwin said:

I counted up all the factions, and giving all divergent chapters a detachment (plus daemons getting 4) and I get to 30,
This however is assuming Agents get one, what has me really scratching my head is if deathwatch stay apart of agents
If they dont, ordo xenos becomes useless, though i guess they could move to a requisitioned army like sisters/grey knights

putting a detachment at each day, with the 4 daemons sharing a day and the divergent chapters sharing a day with vanilla marines, gets to 24 perfectly
but what this also assumes is Agents is on a different day than deathwatch, which if they are both still the same codex, is a tad weird

UNLESS the 30th detachment and final day is Emperor's Children?! (Big tin foil hat)
 

 

The communication seems to imply that Deathwatch are getting a separate Index where they can be fielded solo, but that they'll still remain inside the Agents codex.

[Jolemai]

Aww, and here I was thinking this was a @Grotsmashasponsored event 

[LSM]

23 hours ago, GeneralDarwin said:

...UNLESS the 30th detachment and final day is Emperor's Children?! (Big tin foil hat)

 

Edit: I'll just note that I glossed over some things, and re-reading I realise that my response is a bit of a non sequitur. Apologies. 

 

While WarCom is free to do as they please, traditionally Advent Calendars have 24 days. (Dec 1 - Dec 24.)

 

(Google tells me that Advent technically starts on the fourth Sunday before Christmas, and so the length of Advent changes each year... but conveniently this year that is Dec 1.)

 

Emperor's Children would be nice, though. 

 

Edited November 26 by LSM

[ZeroWolf]

1 minute ago, LSM said:

 

While WarCom is free to do as they please, traditionally Advent Calendars have 24 days. (Dec 1 - Dec 24.)

 

(Google tells me that Advent technically starts on the fourth Sunday before Christmas, and so the length of Advent changes each year... but conveniently this year that is Dec 1.)

 

Emperor's Children would be nice, though. 

They said 30 with the presumption that some days would feature more than one detachment, like all space marine armies getting theirs on one day. That way, they can get through 30 detachments in 24 days.

[HeadlessCross]

28 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

Edit: I'll just note that I glossed over a some things, and re-reading realise that my response is a bit of a non sequitur. Apologies. 

 

While WarCom is free to do as they please, traditionally Advent Calendars have 24 days. (Dec 1 - Dec 24.)

 

(Google tells me that Advent technically starts on the fourth Sunday before Christmas, and so the length of Advent changes each year... but conveniently this year that is Dec 1.)

 

Emperor's Children would be nice, though. 

I mean, they just use all the detachments in the CSM codex anyway so what would be the difference outside whether you're forced to use Lucius or not?

[LSM]

28 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

They said 30 with the presumption that some days would feature more than one detachment, like all space marine armies getting theirs on one day. That way, they can get through 30 detachments in 24 days.

 

So they did.

 

I don't want to get my hopes up, but that does make me a little more excited at the Emperor's Children being a legitimate possibility. Currently they only really have a quarter of Pactbound Zealots, if you want to be proper Slaaneshi. 

 

3 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

I mean, they just use all the detachments in the CSM codex anyway so what would be the difference outside whether you're forced to use Lucius or not?

 

They could have something actually themed to the worship of Slaanesh.

 

I'm still of the opinion that they won't get one though, as Index: EC borrows the CSM Army Rule (while Codex: EC will assuredly have its own). 

 

Edited November 26 by LSM

[DemonGSides]

They could give it out to work for both; CSM currently and then EC in the future. It'd be tough to balance but not an impossibility. 

[Indy Techwisp]

12 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

They could give it out to work for both; CSM currently and then EC in the future. It'd be tough to balance but not an impossibility. 

 

It could be one of those Detachments that basically doesn't Touch the Army Rule at all so it's effectively Codex Agnostic.