Lhykis The Whispering Web, Phoenix Lord and the new Warp Spiders

[Dr. Clock]

12 hours ago, TheMawr said:

quantity of datasheets is usually not the reason for problems... its the implementation.

Quite. I'm actually super relieved to learn that Ynnari isn't going to end up as a third layer of 'choice' on top of army and detachment. I've long hated the part where Ynnari has just been 'Eldar +1', and hopefully this is the end of that.

 

Essentially this gives me hope that there will be different keywords, abilities (probably not) and corresponding points on the 'Ynnari' datasheets so that the book is fully decoupled from Drukhari moving forward.

 

This also makes it more likely that harlies, corsairs and (hopefully) Exodites could also be available in the Drukhari codex, and maybe even get corresponding themed detachments at that point. My Drukhari have always basically been just Commoragh-adjacent Webway Beast Masters, so I definitely support both Asuryani and Drukhari lists broadening a bit from their original constraints to bring in more options for small 'auxiliary warbands' in the main list. 

 

With Spiders and Scourges both over 20 points a head currently, and Hawks at 17 each, the full 9x5 jumpy (non-FW) shooters and action monkeys is 990 points. Not too bad as half a paper/water list, but it's still super amusing that 1W T3 spiders are more expensive than Jump Intercessors. That said, Spiders are soooo fun to use right now, so I don't ever feel bad paying the premium on my old 2x5.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, Dr. Clock said:

but it's still super amusing that 1W T3 spiders are more expensive than Jump Intercessors.

 

True but they are armed with Devastating Wound flamers which means they can drop in and shred a target. JAIs struggle to pull off a charge out of Deep Strike meaning you need to think more about staging etc.

[ThePenitentOne]

When I look at Ynnari, I think of the Crusade/ Spec Op potential. 9th had Crusade content for Asuryani (the Path system), Harlequins (performances) and Ynnari (Spirit powers). I really liked the the stuff for Harlequins and Asuryani, but I always thought the Ynnari stuff fell a bit flat. I like the idea of playing games where individual members of the Triumvirate ally into other armies and earn the trust of units within those armies... And then peels them away from their original army as they go deeper into the cult.

 

This, to me, is the quintessential Ynnari story. Ultimately, a Ynnari Crusade is looking to recruit converts to find the croneswords; you want to discover them and grow your Ynnari roster to strikeforce or onslaught size; that final climactic battle is in the realm of Slaanesh against a dedicated Daemonhost with the fifth and final Cronesword as the prize.

 

That or something like it. 

 

Spoiler for offtopic rules example:

So Yvraine or the Visarch can join any eldar basic infantry unit; if the unit survives the battle, the Ynnari roll a d6; on a six, the unit is elgible to join the Ynnari army in subsequent battles provided it does not exceed your supply limit. You get +1 to the roll

 

-for every Agenda the unit scores

-for every enemy unit they destroy

-if their army won the game

 

So you start with the Triumvirate. Those are the only models on your roster that can fight as a Ynnari army at the start of the crusade. Without checking points, in your first battle, you might field a Drukhari army- An Archon leading Incubi and Yvraine leading Kabalites. If Yvraine's unit survives, they win, they score an agenda and they destroy a unit, on a 4+, the unit gains the ability to fight in a Ynnari army.

 

when such a unit fights with a Ynnari army, if that unit survives, they must roll a d6; on a six, they become so dedicated to the Ynnari cause that they ONLY fight in Ynarri armies from that point forward, and the same bonuses apply to the roll.

 

This simulates an interesting little change to how you field your armies as the Ynnari seek converts. You'll never lose a unit, but that unit may change its allegiance over the lifespan of the campaign. If you want Drukhari to fight as Ynnari soldiers? Go recruit them. A Harlequin Troupe? Same. It'll be a while before you can field 2k of Ynnari, but when it happens, it'll be the culmination of the conversion stories for every unit in the battle.