Krieg Boxset

[sairence]

They're actually fairly tanky.

 

T7, 10W, 3+

 

Pretty much always in cover cause they'll be far back. And if they stay cheap enough, say 100p it's not a huge investment in a list.

 

So the size might not be as much of an issue as it would be for the other infantry based arty.

[DemonGSides]

Plus that big ol plate of a base will keep deep strikers away from your backline. There's benefits to having a big foot print. 

[Tastyfish]

5 hours ago, sairence said:

 

Considering Aquilons didn't have deepstrike on their card when they were first released I assume it's an oversight. 

 

I see no logical reason why they would remove it from them when this is pretty much their whole identity. Without deepstrike they are just another variant of footslogging/mechanised shock infantry, which we already have in Kasrkin and now Engineers.

 

Seriously...it would remove that entire playstyle from the Codex...

 

There's almost so many typos in this book (bolter being replaced with bolt pistol, 48" range laspistols amongst others) that it both wouldn't surprise if the Scions were intended to keep deepstrike (though the new Valk rules allow any unit to disembark in the enemy's turn) and that some of these errors have been left in to make the preview copies traceable.

[phandaal]

3 hours ago, Tastyfish said:

some of these errors have been left in to make the preview copies traceable

 

Maybe at a more organized company, but GW's Razor says this is just their usual level of QA/QC.

[Indy Techwisp]

Regarding the Scions it may be that GW decided that now there's a dedicated "Grav Chute" Tempestus unit the basic Scions don't need Deep Strike anymore as that role is filled.

[CommissarXin]

I'm looking forward to amusing myself with calvary charges of Death and Rough Riders.

 

(Just wanted to pop some positivity in here.)

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Regarding the Scions it may be that GW decided that now there's a dedicated "Grav Chute" Tempestus unit the basic Scions don't need Deep Strike anymore as that role is filled.

Which means Scions directly competing with Kasrkin 

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, CommissarXin said:

I'm looking forward to amusing myself with calvary charges of Death and Rough Riders.

 

(Just wanted to pop some positivity in here.)

 

Same.  I'll still probably end up getting this army box with codex and cards because I'm dumb.  But I'm also actually considering one of the Combat Patrol as well once it drops as that'll double my Attilans and give me my 3rd squad of Kasrkin.  If I ever REALLY want 30 RR I can just split up the new Krieg riders amongst the RR squads and proxy it out.

[TheArtilleryman]

1 minute ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Same.  I'll still probably end up getting this army box with codex and cards because I'm dumb.  But I'm also actually considering one of the Combat Patrol as well once it drops as that'll double my Attilans and give me my 3rd squad of Kasrkin.  If I ever REALLY want 30 RR I can just split up the new Krieg riders amongst the RR squads and proxy it out.

Codex and cards you can always sell on. If you get the box from a FLGS and sell the codex and cards for 25 quid you’ve suddenly got a very nice discount on all the models.

Edited Friday at 07:29 PM by TheArtilleryman

[DemonGSides]

27 minutes ago, TheArtilleryman said:

Codex and cards you can always sell on. If you get the box from a FLGS and sell the codex and cards for 25 quid you’ve suddenly got a very nice discount on all the models.

 

Yeah the original idea was going to get two boxes, sell on Drier and the extra codex and cards.

I enjoy the BA Codex and Card quality though.  Just bummed this Codex appears to have been a bit rushed.

Edited Friday at 07:56 PM by DemonGSides

[Timberley]

Assuming the various leaks are correct (assumption - the mother, brother, and any other sucker of all bugger ups), Scions and their Command Squad losing Deep Strike makes 'Bellicosa Drop' from the Bridgehead detachment a bit of a waste of a Stratagem, unless you take the Priority-Drop Beacon Enhancement for it to work.  For those that don't play it, the tl;dr is that the Strat grants the equivalent of the Aquilons' Precision Strike (i.e. within 6", not the usual 9"), provided the infantry unit can Deep Strike to begin with.  As written, the only unit that can Deep Strike natively is the Aquilons, which already have a 6" Deep Strike, so you need to take a 30 point Enhancement to use the Strat on regular Scions, as long as they're led by a Scions Officer.  I can see why GW would do such a thing (if I cock my head to one side and squint a bit), but if I recall correctly it's the only Strat in the game that requires an Enhancement to be useable by the the target model.

 

Also, the Tempestor Prime being the Warlord making Scions Battleline in Bridgehead makes more sense, as he had that ability already in the Index, but that's removed in the Codex.  I did wonder at the time...

 

I see the Catachans can also still only take flamers.  It looks like my Fallschirmjagers are still Bridgehead Scions.

Edited Friday at 10:54 PM by Timberley

[sairence]

They definitely forgot things in the leaked version.

 

Apart from the deepstrike thing, the Tempestus Command Squad apparently doesn't have Voice of Command...

 

Or one of the arty pieces having a 48" range laspistol.

 

We'll see on the weekend, but I suspect some early FAQs will be needed.

Edited Friday at 11:09 PM by sairence

[DemonGSides]

6 minutes ago, Timberley said:

Assuming the various leaks are correct (assumption - the mother, brother, and any other sucker of all bugger ups), Scions and their Command Squad losing Deep Strike makes 'Bellicosa Drop' from the Bridgehead detachment a bit of a waste of a Stratagem, unless you take the Priority-Drop Beacon Enhancement for it to work.  For those that don't play it, the tl;dr is that the Strat grants the equivalent of the Aquilons' Precision Strike (i.e. within 6", not the usual 9"), provided the infantry unit can Deep Strike to begin with.  As written, the only unit that can Deep Strike natively is the Aquilons, which already have a 6" Deep Strike, so you need to take a 30 point Enhancement to use the Strat on regular Scions, as long as they're led by a Scions Officer.  I can see why GW would do such a thing (if I cock my head to one side and squint a bit), but if I recall correctly it's the only Strat in the game that requires an Enhancement to be useable by the the target model.

 

Also, the Tempestor Prime being the Warlord making Scions Battleline in Bridgehead makes more sense, as he had that ability already in the Index, but that's removed in the Codex.  I did wonder at the time...

 

I see the Catachans can also still only take flamers.  It looks like my Fallschirmjagers are still Bridgehead Scions.

 

I think it's mostly just an oversight wrt to the Bridgehead detatchment.  I think they want Aquilon Scions to be the drop scions, the other scions to be a different type of Storm Trooper archetype that comes in Tauroxes, and then maybe a Command squad who walks on or sticks in the backline.

I don't think the enhancement even actually gives DS.  I think it just lets you drop T1 even in games that don't normally allow DS on turn 1.  It doesn't actively say it gives a unit Deep Strike (I think it's ambiguous but would be happy to play it your way).  So an even greater oversight.

 

I'm assuming there will be some changes to that detatchment in a month or two when there's a FAQ.  I think most likely that means that either Bellicosa drop changes (No idea to what, since nothing else really has Deep Strike, unless...) or that the enhancement mentioned above DOES get changed to natively give Deep Strike, and then you can at least have one DS'ing blob of Scions.

I can kind've understand why GW are moving away from DS scions (The threat 105 Deep striking Scions/Aquilons in the opponents DZ is pretty hilarious and also scary?), but to give us Bridgehead that was very obviously made with these changes in mind (your mentioned shift of the Scions as Battleline has to have come with the knowledge that the Command Squad was losing it's ability otherwise it's double redundant) but still somehow gave us two bum objects (Priority Drop beacon (nothing that can take an enhancement has Deep Strike, and Aquilons are the only deepstriking infantry that can be targetted by the Strat, and they already get that good of a drop distance).

Just a weird book!

[HeadlessCross]

37 minutes ago, sairence said:

They definitely forgot things in the leaked version.

 

Apart from the deepstrike thing, the Tempestus Command Squad apparently doesn't have Voice of Command...

 

Or one of the arty pieces having a 48" range laspistol.

 

We'll see on the weekend, but I suspect some early FAQs will be needed.

Wait which datasheet had the 48" Laspistol?

 

I'd be tempted to just let my opponent keep that rule because that's hilarity. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

10 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Wait which datasheet had the 48" Laspistol?

 

I'd be tempted to just let my opponent keep that rule because that's hilarity. 

Introducing the new laspistolcannon

[Timberley]

6 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I think it's mostly just an oversight wrt to the Bridgehead detatchment.  I think they want Aquilon Scions to be the drop scions, the other scions to be a different type of Storm Trooper archetype that comes in Tauroxes, and then maybe a Command squad who walks on or sticks in the backline.

I don't think the enhancement even actually gives DS.  I think it just lets you drop T1 even in games that don't normally allow DS on turn 1.  It doesn't actively say it gives a unit Deep Strike (I think it's ambiguous but would be happy to play it your way).  So an even greater oversight.

 

I'm assuming there will be some changes to that detatchment in a month or two when there's a FAQ.  I think most likely that means that either Bellicosa drop changes (No idea to what, since nothing else really has Deep Strike, unless...) or that the enhancement mentioned above DOES get changed to natively give Deep Strike, and then you can at least have one DS'ing blob of Scions.

I can kind've understand why GW are moving away from DS scions (The threat 105 Deep striking Scions/Aquilons in the opponents DZ is pretty hilarious and also scary?), but to give us Bridgehead that was very obviously made with these changes in mind (your mentioned shift of the Scions as Battleline has to have come with the knowledge that the Command Squad was losing it's ability otherwise it's double redundant) but still somehow gave us two bum objects (Priority Drop beacon (nothing that can take an enhancement has Deep Strike, and Aquilons are the only deepstriking infantry that can be targetted by the Strat, and they already get that good of a drop distance).

Just a weird book!

 

Yeah, as written, I took it to mean that the officer's unit (so 15 Scions max) gained the ability to perform a Deep Strike, with the Strat allowing this to become a Precision Strike. As you say though, there's a bit ambiguity to the wording. 

 

I my opinion, we'll have to wait for the FAQ before drawing too many overall conclusions.  I can see the Armoured Scions archetype in their new book, but my cynical opinion is that it's just an excuse to get people to invest in the Aquilons. It wouldn't be so bad if Aquilons had their own Command Squad, or a Scions Command Squad still had the Deep Strike ability. 

 

You're right, it's a very weird book! 

[Casual Heresy]

Good luck to all those attempting a pre-order.

 

Managed to secure mine, and will aim for a second when I collect it from the store on release day but I can deal if only get one. 

 

Also grabbed the Infantry man's handbook. Never owned a version before as they tend to re-release it when I can justify the purchase, so that's a nice wee bonus for the lore obsessed part of me.

[Mandragola]

At goonhammer we’ve been fortunate enough to have the army set to look at, plus info on a day-one FAQ. Scions will b getting deep strike back - that’s just a typo. 
 

I'm not an expert on the rules but I contributed to the model review, which you can read here: https://www.goonhammer.com/model-review-astra-militarum-death-korps-of-krieg-army-box/

 

This is my attempt at Dreir. 
 

 

We also have a review of the codex and the various detachments. https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-astra-militarum-10th-edition-the-goonhammer-review/

[Evil Eye]

That's a stellar paintjob, love the base.

[Mandragola]

I really like the models in this box but to be honest the idea of painting an army of them is daunting. Each death rider has over 20 pieces to clean up and assemble and they definitely aren’t quick to paint. I had been thinking of making g an army of death korps, using some solar auxilia tanks and my kill team guys as a starting point.  To be honest though it would be a huge amount of work and I’m not sure I’m up for it. 
 

Part of the issue, as Scott mentions in the review, is building a cohesive force. I’d want my whole army to be Death Korps, except perhaps things like rattlings (who I’d possibly try to give spare gas masks) and Scions - and even those are tricky as their bodies have very different proportions to the DKoK. 
 

I haven’t played 40K recently and overall this release, though cool, isn’t enough to bring me back. For now I’ll stick to kill team and specialist stuff. 

[INKS]

My local store is sold out of the pre order initial wave and wave 2 of the new box . no idea how many they had or could get. But it went on sale at midnight, just checked at 8am.

I knew it would sell well.

[Emperor Ming]

Goonhammer confirmed there will be a day one faq to address deepstrike error

 

Confirmed by gw they say in thier post. 

[Robbienw]

They have brought back sprue pictures on new releases, hooray.

Edited Saturday at 01:45 PM by Robbienw

[DemonGSides]

42 minutes ago, INKS said:

My local store is sold out of the pre order initial wave and wave 2 of the new box . no idea how many they had or could get. But it went on sale at midnight, just checked at 8am.

I knew it would sell well.

 

Yeah I grabbed one right at midnight but decided to stay at one. With the confirmation of a big FAQ, I feel better about my decision. 

[Petitioner's City]

3 hours ago, Emperor Ming said:

Goonhammer confirmed there will be a day one faq to address deepstrike error

 

Confirmed by gw they say in thier post. 

 

Its not like mandragola (a goon) hadn't said this a few posts (and two hours) before you :p

 

But good news

Edited Saturday at 05:13 PM by Petitioner's City