The Praetorian of Inwit Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The poor QC is embarrassing. It also amazes me that this box only has 305 points worth of models. To make a 2000 or even 1500 point army that isn't tank heavy you need a lot of bodies! Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Not just the deep strike errors but day 1 nerf of engineers as well crimsondave 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 7:42 PM, The Praetorian of Inwit said: The poor QC is embarrassing. It also amazes me that this box only has 305 points worth of models. To make a 2000 or even 1500 point army that isn't tank heavy you need a lot of bodies! Expand Well on the plus side, it’s a fair bit more than that with the updated points (which I don’t think I’m allowed to discuss, sorry). But yeah, I’m not sure it’s accurate to call this an “army”. It’s closer to a combat patrol. Speaking of, the new IG combat patrol is 10 attilans (2x5), 10 Kasrkin and a Cadian command squad with no infantry to join. I think it’s a bit absurd. Might make an ok CP but it’s useless as a way to buy guard. DemonGSides, crimsondave and MasterBlaster 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcomet Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 There is clear evidence, and has been for some time, that the 40k rules team is very overworked. Sadly I missed out on the box, as we had a health scare with my dad and I lost track of time. Emperor Ming, HolyPestilience, Marshal Loss and 8 others 11 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 8:33 PM, Mandragola said: Well on the plus side, it’s a fair bit more than that with the updated points (which I don’t think I’m allowed to discuss, sorry). But yeah, I’m not sure it’s accurate to call this an “army”. It’s closer to a combat patrol. Speaking of, the new IG combat patrol is 10 attilans (2x5), 10 Kasrkin and a Cadian command squad with no infantry to join. I think it’s a bit absurd. Might make an ok CP but it’s useless as a way to buy guard. Expand Not allowed to discuss It's an absolute joke that the influencers and other reviewers who generally get the box for free are given info about changes to the boxset and codex yet the people who are actually paying for it aren't given any info about how they are going to nerf stuff in the box and are likely not to actually announce such changes publicly until after everyone has preordered said box and it's out Obviously the rest of the stuff in the codex that may be changed isnt the issue more the stuff in the boxset they released an article telling us excatly what it costs pointswise that should have some form of announcement for Yeah absolutely great must be nice to be kept in the loop Edited January 11 by Plaguecaster DemonGSides, Arkangilos, Casual Heresy and 3 others 3 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 8:33 PM, Mandragola said: Speaking of, the new IG combat patrol is 10 attilans (2x5), 10 Kasrkin and a Cadian command squad with no infantry to join. I think it’s a bit absurd. Might make an ok CP but it’s useless as a way to buy guard. Expand It’s a top-up for an existing army rather than a starter box. If they had any sense they ought to carry on selling both. ZeroWolf and Plaguecaster 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 75 for 5 t3 bodies would be far to much I..... Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 8:48 PM, Plaguecaster said: Not allowed to discuss It's an absolute joke that the influencers and other reviewers who generally get the box for free are given info about changes to the boxset and codex yet the people who are actually paying for it aren't given any info about how they are going to nerf stuff in the box and are likely not to actually announce such changes publicly until after everyone has preordered said box and it's out Obviously the rest of the stuff in the codex that may be changed isnt the issue more the stuff in the boxset they released an article telling us excatly what it costs pointswise that should have some form of announcement for Yeah absolutely great must be nice to be kept in the loop Expand Could be grounds for a lawsuit potentially tbh. a bait a switch. Aeternus and Casual Heresy 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadlessCross Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 7:45 PM, Plaguecaster said: Not just the deep strike errors but day 1 nerf of engineers as well Expand 35 points for what they had was absurdly broken though. Casual Heresy, sairence and DemonGSides 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarXin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 People will complain no matter what happens. "There's barely any points in the box." Guard has always been like that..cheap bodies with vehicles being the major points sink. Combat Engineers are too cheap. Nerf on day 1 faq=they're only nerfind things after it sold. It's like nothing makes some of you happy. It's all doom and gloom. Redcomet, DemonGSides, Plaguecaster and 4 others 3 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 10:16 PM, CommissarXin said: People will complain no matter what happens. "There's barely any points in the box." Guard has always been like that..cheap bodies with vehicles being the major points sink. Combat Engineers are too cheap. Nerf on day 1 faq=they're only nerfind things after it sold. It's like nothing makes some of you happy. It's all doom and gloom. Expand People moaning about the cost of them to begin with aren't usually the same people who complain once the unit gets nerfed. Yes guard are generally low points on infantry but maybe they could of put something bigger like a tank to make the points cost better not just up the cost of everything in the box after preorders are up Also it's not just the fact "they're only nerfind things after it sold" but the fact they release codex books without even bothering to playtest or proof read They shouldn't even bother putting points in codex at all Ah yes we're all doom and gloom we should all just shut up and be happy when GW keep screwing up with the rules they expect us to keep buying Also take with grain of salt but apparently it's not just the engineers and scions they screwed up / have to change but some other stuff Would be nice if ones like goon could be more open about the review stuff concerning the day -1 faq but if true alot more annoying nerfs will happen as looks like the artillery, drier and rest of new stuff going up as well Edited January 11 by Plaguecaster Arkangilos and MasterBlaster 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 10:16 PM, CommissarXin said: There's barely any points in the box." Guard has always been like that..cheap bodies with vehicles being the major points sink. Expand I've seen this a number of times from a few people in this thread but there's some context to this. Yes, the tanks have always filled in the points in the army, but the infantry used to be a low investment. Back in the 3rd-4th era you got 20 models for like, $45 and that was 120 point before any upgrades. That added up fast in a game where 1500 was a common game size and required fewer boxes to satisfy your infantry needs. Game size up, points costs down, prices up, box sizes down. It adds up on the wallet. The FW Krieg infantry was a luxury army back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised if its just the standard price of guard infantry these days. Plaguecaster, MasterBlaster, Allart01 and 4 others 2 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarXin Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 My big point was is the giant amount of negativity that seemingly follows every release. These boxes are generally a discount if you want the stuff in them. (Will be my first Death Riders in fact) if you don't want/like the models..don't get it. I hate FAQs as much as the next person..blame the people who want 40k to be a competitive game..but like most games I always expect almost an immediate 'patch' sadly. Noctis, MasterBlaster, Casual Heresy and 1 other 3 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Guard armies are expensive. 35 pts was too cheap, 75 pts seems too expensive. shrug... can't win. tanks will cost you a good deal of points but most of the infantry cost near no points and you need a ton of them, kinda what the army is about. Casual Heresy and CommissarXin 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 10:46 PM, SkimaskMohawk said: I've seen this a number of times from a few people in this thread but there's some context to this. Yes, the tanks have always filled in the points in the army, but the infantry used to be a low investment. Back in the 3rd-4th era you got 20 models for like, $45 and that was 120 point before any upgrades. That added up fast in a game where 1500 was a common game size and required fewer boxes to satisfy your infantry needs. Game size up, points costs down, prices up, box sizes down. It adds up on the wallet. The FW Krieg infantry was a luxury army back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised if its just the standard price of guard infantry these days. Expand Current prices are bad but they're still not quite FW price bad so that's some little solace. Prices should be less across the board. Buying infantry feels terrible right now. INKS, Timberley, Dalmyth and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicMike0708 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I think people might be made a little sour by the warhammer community article released 28 hours before the preorder saying specifically: this is what is in the box, here’s how it plays, and how many points it costs. Yes a day on FAQ is needed to correct oversights, but it feels a lot like a bait and switch for the company that determines rules and points to deceive customers knowing full well (and having already told influencers) that the warhammer community article was outdated or outright wrong. Plaguecaster, INKS, Aarik and 1 other 3 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 10:16 PM, CommissarXin said: People will complain no matter what happens. "There's barely any points in the box." Guard has always been like that..cheap bodies with vehicles being the major points sink. Combat Engineers are too cheap. Nerf on day 1 faq=they're only nerfind things after it sold. It's like nothing makes some of you happy. It's all doom and gloom. Expand Well if they could avoid writing rules that make units either trash or OP requiring an update immediately don’t think anyone would complain about that. GW’s main goal is to sell models, but games and rules are the vehicle that drives those sales, it’s just too bad GW sucks at the second part of the job soviet1337, Aarik, crimsondave and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 1/11/2025 at 11:34 PM, DemonGSides said: Current prices are bad but they're still not quite FW price bad so that's some little solace. Expand I'm not sure. When the SoBs got refreshed I remember seeing the prices and comparing it to the resin deimos rhinos i had gotten in 2016, and the resin rhinos were cheaper. 10 resin dark furies were 76£ which converted to 123.88 cad; 10 jump intercessors are 140 cad right now (and those 10 dark fury are now 220!). Now some things are better or the same as they were back in the day, like the 20 Horus heresy tacticals and some of the old world stuff. But the mainline 40k prices have become very high, to the point where ya, it's surpassed some of the old FW prices. Noctis, Aarik and 01RTB01 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 1/11/2025 at 7:42 PM, The Praetorian of Inwit said: The poor QC is embarrassing. It also amazes me that this box only has 305 points worth of models. To make a 2000 or even 1500 point army that isn't tank heavy you need a lot of bodies! Expand Yep, my lists normally have the following at 2000pts 3 russes 2 chimeras 2 tauroxes 2 sentinels 60+ infantry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 If one customer buy the engineers models just because "they cost 35pts on tabletop, and it is super powerful at 35pts", I feel that he/she deserve anything which GW would give them later. ZeroWolf, sairence, Timberley and 9 others 12 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) On 1/12/2025 at 1:25 AM, SkimaskMohawk said: I'm not sure. When the SoBs got refreshed I remember seeing the prices and comparing it to the resin deimos rhinos i had gotten in 2016, and the resin rhinos were cheaper. 10 resin dark furies were 76£ which converted to 123.88 cad; 10 jump intercessors are 140 cad right now (and those 10 dark fury are now 220!). Now some things are better or the same as they were back in the day, like the 20 Horus heresy tacticals and some of the old world stuff. But the mainline 40k prices have become very high, to the point where ya, it's surpassed some of the old FW prices. Expand I mean you've can't blame GW entirely for the world getting more expensive, though they are greedy. Death Riders got cheaper from their FW, which is at least relevant to the box at hand, and also not comparing 2016 prices to 2024, in which literally nothing is the same price as it was back then and everything has gotten more expensive for a couple of reasons. It's all still outrageously expensive, no argument there. Edited January 12 by DemonGSides skylerboodie and Dalmyth 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarXin Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 To be fair..I've yet to find a 'cheap' hobby. ;) Warhammer hits a lot of spots for me...I love model building and the painting is the closest I get to being artistic. On the topic of the box set...The models look great which is always a plus. Even with all the controversy (Points,codex,faq) I can't wait to just build and painting. I've seen that most of the 1st day faq is apparently in the wild at this point. DemonGSides, ZeroWolf, INKS and 4 others 2 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 How does the new manticore profile looks like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2nd edition 40k, and to a lesser extent 3rd to 5th, seems more and more appealing to me. The codex is incorrect as it comes off the shelf and buying it is the only legal way to get the rules as the app won't even work without the stupid code. Some of the new models are cool but drastically overpriced. phandaal, bloodhound23 and 01RTB01 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I don’t currently play 40K as I share a lot of the frustrations of people in this thread. I’ve bought stuff in the past only to have it nerfed before I could get it to a table. I’ve got two young kids and there’s no way I can keep up with the churn nowadays. I volunteered to paint up some DKoK for goonhammer because I thought maybe I could use them and some solar auxilia tanks I’ve got to make an army, but honestly that doesn’t look likely right now. However that does mean I’ve got the codex. Here’s how special weapons work: Cadians get 2/10 and can pick which weapons they want from flamer, grenade, melta and plasma. But you can only have 1 of each weapon per 10 (according to some tiny and easy-to-miss text with an asterisk), so no units with 4 plasma guns etc. They can also have a vox and limited sergeant upgrades. DKoK are a bit more complicated, weirdly. They also get 2/10 special weapons, including sniper rifles. For some reason they’re split into two categories, with a load of asterisks about the combinations allowed, which is very confusing. They put meltas and plasma guns with the vox caster, meaning you aren’t allowed two meltas, two plasma and a vox - but you could have 2 plasmas, 1 melta, a vox and one of the other special weapons (flamer, sniper or grenade). I’ve no idea why this is. Their sergeants can have plasma pistols and power swords, so they always will I guess. The codex is missing the option to give them a bolter but the day 1 FAQ adds that back. You also get 1 medi-pack per 10. Catachans get their 2 flamers per 10 and a box-caster. Nothing for the sergeant. The limitation on weapons applies to other stuff. Kasrkin can only have 2 of each special weapon, though they can have 4 in total, for example. Aquilons only get 1 plasma or melta, which is irritating as for kill team I didn’t incredibly simple conversion to make sure I had both - like everyone did - and now my squad isn’t legal. The weirdest unit for me is the Krieg command squad. It comes with a commissar in the box and so GW have included him in the unit rather than make him his own selection. This means that for rules purposes he is the only officer in the unit and the guy with the peaked hat and breastplate is “just some guy”. Otherwise the Commissar functions more or less like a normal officer and not like a Commissar. He doesn’t shoot people, can issue any of the orders and so on. ThaneOfTas, skylerboodie, Timberley and 3 others 2 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384659-krieg-boxset/page/18/#findComment-6086776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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