Krieg Boxset

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

11 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

So speaking of the KREIG BOXSET, it seems a little strange for the Engineers to not have been doubled up.

I get having a Deathriders focus with the new character, but there's a noticeable lack of infantry in the boxset for the army known for infantry.

I’m not a super kriegy person but I’ve known them mostly for their death riders and artillery, and don’t they traditionally have unique vehicles as well?

 

to me Cadians and Catachans are much more known for infantry than krieg.

[crimsondave]

6 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I'm not holding my breath. I already got burned by the Spartan. I bought one specifically for my 40k Fist army.

 

The model looks perfect too, it's so big and the kit is just superb. And yet for some reason, it's a Legend unit.

 

We waited so long for iconic Forgeworld units to become plastic, and just as they did GW decided to seperate the range even more. The best looking tracked vehicles available to the Marines are the Forgeworld designs too, and with those gone I'm fully on board with the Grav tanks.

I feel you on the Spartan.  I bought one for my Dark Angels and it got put into legends while it was still in the mail.

[Marshal Rohr]

A five man close combat squad for Imperial Guard is certainly a design choice that could have been made. Maybe the screw bomb causes enemies to be unable to strike back. 

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I’m not a super kriegy person but I’ve known them mostly for their death riders and artillery, and don’t they traditionally have unique vehicles as well?

 

to me Cadians and Catachans are much more known for infantry than krieg.

The shovel brigade are infamous. Krieg infantry are the beating heart imo.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

25 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

The shovel brigade are infamous. Krieg infantry are the beating heart imo.

Yes there’s the shovel meme, but outside of that, infantry is not what comes to mind when I think of kreig.

all guard are famous for infantry, but what sets kreig apart from others (aside from visuals) is their artillery and death riders.

[Fire Golem]

1 minute ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Yes there’s the shovel meme, but outside of that, infantry is not what comes to mind when I think of kreig.

all guard are famous for infantry, but what sets kreig apart from others (aside from visuals) is their artillery and death riders.

They’re essentially a ww1 trench warfare, attrition army. Infantry is what they’re known for, with artillery support. I also think of the death riders pretty quickly but that’s because I’ve always liked the models, but I think most people will think of infantry for Krieg. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

27 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

They’re essentially a ww1 trench warfare, attrition army. Infantry is what they’re known for, with artillery support. I also think of the death riders pretty quickly but that’s because I’ve always liked the models, but I think most people will think of infantry for Krieg. 

Most people think of infantry when they think of guard in general, so what sets the kreig apart from the rest of the guard?

 

artillery and death riders.

 

tanks and artillery are also very WWI trench warfare.  Being  famous for seige warfare, kinda spells it out that artillery is their main thing. Even before gun powder artillery was the hallmark of seige warfare.

[MithrilForge]

@Inquisitor_Lensoven - You Don't Notice the Krieg Infantry simply because they're dying in droves as they race across the front lines into the meat Grinder.... 

It's simply that people like the Arty and death Riders cause they're cool looking models... Not because it's the Mainstay of the army,  I would associate Krieg with wave upon wave of troops swarming across trenches in bloody fusillades of las fire and desperate hand to hand fighting with shovels and clubs... supported by Cav units on flanks and Artillery from Behind the lines.

I guess at the end of the day what you think of as Krieg and what everyone else things of as Krieg are two different things 

 

M 

[01RTB01]

50 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Most people think of infantry when they think of guard in general, so what sets the kreig apart from the rest of the guard?

 

artillery and death riders.

 

tanks and artillery are also very WWI trench warfare.  Being  famous for seige warfare, kinda spells it out that artillery is their main thing. Even before gun powder artillery was the hallmark of seige warfare.

 

Krieg infantry are synonymous. Tanks weren't involved until half way through WW1 and didn't have significant impact until late war. However, infantry and artillery were there from the get go. 

 

Krieg infantry are also set apart from other guard based on their ethos and background.

 

Regardless, it's great to see them getting support.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, MithrilForge said:

@Inquisitor_Lensoven - You Don't Notice the Krieg Infantry simply because they're dying in droves as they race across the front lines into the meat Grinder.... 

It's simply that people like the Arty and death Riders cause they're cool looking models... Not because it's the Mainstay of the army,  I would associate Krieg with wave upon wave of troops swarming across trenches in bloody fusillades of las fire and desperate hand to hand fighting with shovels and clubs... supported by Cav units on flanks and Artillery from Behind the lines.

I guess at the end of the day what you think of as Krieg and what everyone else things of as Krieg are two different things 

 

M 

…I mean that describes the overwhelming majority of the guards’ infantry…hell even the Ghosts have been wasted in such attacks.

zap branigan is a pretty good example of guard command…there’s nothing special about krieg infantry dying in droves. That again is standard for the guard.

 

and so far we have a sample size of what? Like 3 people?

 

imperial guard is primarily an infantry swarm faction, kreig using infantry swarms is just how guard operates. Aside from aesthetics, what makes kreig, kreig is what sets them apart from other guard regiments, and for kreig thats artillery, death riders, and unique tanks.

Edited November 29 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

Krieg infantry are synonymous. Tanks weren't involved until half way through WW1 and didn't have significant impact until late war. However, infantry and artillery were there from the get go. 

 

Krieg infantry are also set apart from other guard based on their ethos and background.

 

Regardless, it's great to see them getting support.

…tanks didn’t make a difference until late war because they broke the stalemate that developed before their introduction.

the first tanks are very much associated with WWI.

[MithrilForge]

The Only thing that's unique to Krieg is a Shovel... I don't know why we're having this debate cause it's not going anywhere fast.... I'm going to take my Shovel and move to another Fox hole... 

 

 

Mithril

 

P.S. Most importantly is it's great to see more New models in plastic for Krieg!!... That's worth talking about     

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

…tanks didn’t make a difference until late war because they broke the stalemate that developed before their introduction.

the first tanks are very much associated with WWI.

I feel you're being super pedantic. You mentioned WW1 and tanks. They may be associated with WW1 but their operational value was negligible until WW2. The stalemate wasn't broken until 1918 and tanks were introduced at Cambrai which was much earlier. Tanks were introduced before the stalemate was broken but were limited in impact. Russia leaving, America joining, the naval blockade and Ludendorff offensive were greater contributors to the breaking of the stalemate.

 

That said, you're saying guard are infantry and what sets the Krieg apart is artillery... That's applicable to most others too. 

 

However, I know when I'm headbutting a brick wall so I'll bow out of this.

 

Hobby how you like, be happy, the galaxy is massive and to each their own.

1 hour ago, MithrilForge said:

The Only thing that's unique to Krieg is a Shovel... I don't know why we're having this debate cause it's not going anywhere fast.... I'm going to take my Shovel and move to another Fox hole... 

 

 

Mithril

 

P.S. Most importantly is it's great to see more New models in plastic for Krieg!!... That's worth talking about     

Amen. I really like the new artillery. I'm wondering how I could apply some Krieg to a militia list for heresy to cover me for a fulgrim transfigured specific rite of war.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

32 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

I feel you're being super pedantic. You mentioned WW1 and tanks. They may be associated with WW1 but their operational value was negligible until WW2. The stalemate wasn't broken until 1918 and tanks were introduced at Cambrai which was much earlier. Tanks were introduced before the stalemate was broken but were limited in impact. Russia leaving, America joining, the naval blockade and Ludendorff offensive were greater contributors to the breaking of the stalemate.

 

That said, you're saying guard are infantry and what sets the Krieg apart is artillery... That's applicable to most others too. 

 

However, I know when I'm headbutting a brick wall so I'll bow out of this.

 

Hobby how you like, be happy, the galaxy is massive and to each their own.

Amen. I really like the new artillery. I'm wondering how I could apply some Krieg to a militia list for heresy to cover me for a fulgrim transfigured specific rite of war.

They literally broke the stalemate…how is that negligible?

 

WWII tank warfare was more refined but doesn’t take away that a certain style and type of tank is heavily associated with WWI. Just like the continued evolution of tanks and their tactics doesn’t take away the fact that certain styles and tactics are heavily associated with WWII.

 

 

[Jolemai]

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