Guard’s new detachment

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

When the advent calendar reaches the guard’s turn it seems pretty obvious that the detachment we get will be krieg themed, so what does everyone expect it to look like?

+4 S on the charge with shovels?

 

but more seriously 

maybe something like +1 A to artillery weapons with <blast>
and if a unit with a vox caster has LoS to an artillery unit’s target that artillery unit can hit on a modified or unmodified 3+?

 

Edited December 4 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[sairence]

We'll have tanks, arty, mechanised and I think infantry in the Codex, in addition to the index detschment if I remember the recent stream properly. I doubt they will add something similar to what'll be in that book, would just feel a bit redundant. So I can't see Krieg, personally.

 

I'm hoping for a Tempestus/Stormtroopers themed one myself, as that wasn't mentioned in the previews at all. And I love my glory boys.

 

[Harrowmaster]

30 minutes ago, sairence said:

We'll have tanks, arty, mechanised and I think infantry in the Codex, in addition to the index detschment if I remember the recent stream properly. I doubt they will add something similar to what'll be in that book, would just feel a bit redundant. So I can't see Krieg, personally.

 

I'm hoping for a Tempestus/Stormtroopers themed one myself, as that wasn't mentioned in the previews at all. And I love my glory boys.

 

Stormtroopers would be great, it would seem odd not to put an artillery detachment in the codex but you never know with GW so we just have to wait.

[Emperor Ming]

Whatever it is, its not going to usurp lethal hits

[sairence]

7 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Whatever it is, its not going to usurp lethal hits

I wouldn't be so sure. Yes the index detachment rule is good (after it was fixed) but the suite of enhancements and strategems is very mediocre, especially now that reinforcements is capped to once per game.

 

So a detachment that offers better all around options or some really stand out stuff in the other areas could be a real contender.

 

As for the arty detachment, they definitely mentioned a siege detachment for the Codex. And that's got to revolve around static guns in some way.

Edited December 4 by sairence

[DemonGSides]

Yeah, as someone who plays two armies with lethal hits as their gimmick, I think it's a very easy thing to let go of in favor of interesting enhancements and strategems. Lethal Hits is good, but not great. 

[Galron]

Lethal was good until it wasnt. With nids getting yet another way to get around infantry guard armies pretty cheaply, the value of lethals is declining(I know its only one unit and its a bonus if you bring a tank army). I think the reason a Storm Trooper detachment wasnt listed in the codex preview was because it is going to be the Christmas detachment. Which then leads to what the missing detachment in the codex is? I think its going to be a Krieg specific Siege detachment :P (yes I am wishlisting) especially after having just read the novel Vraks(great novel BTW) and its constant prominent mentioning of Gorgons, Hades Drills, and Macharius tanks. They will be surprise wave 2 releases. 

[OldWherewolf]

I would say it's going to be some combination of the 9th edition Regimental Doctrines

• Krieg:  Cult of Sacrifice & Grim Demeanor
• ASL: Industrial Efficiency & Mechanized Infantry
• Expert Bombardiers & Veteran Guerrillas
• etc.

What gets interesting is when we violate the 'normal' groupings.  For example, Brutal Strength + Recon Operators.  If vehicles get +1 AP in melee then it's a case of "we're going to rip out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks". 

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

38 minutes ago, OldWherewolf said:

I would say it's going to be some combination of the 9th edition Regimental Doctrines

• Krieg:  Cult of Sacrifice & Grim Demeanor
• ASL: Industrial Efficiency & Mechanized Infantry
• Expert Bombardiers & Veteran Guerrillas
• etc.

What gets interesting is when we violate the 'normal' groupings.  For example, Brutal Strength + Recon Operators.  If vehicles get +1 AP in melee then it's a case of "we're going to rip out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks". 

 

What?

are you just guessing every possible option for this one detachment right now?

[redmapa]

I would like to see the return of Mechanized Infantry and a more aggressive playstyle and considering there's a couple of detachments that buff transports or units that advance like Firestorm or CSM Raiders I would love to see something like that, perhaps +1 to wound after disembarking or vehicle units getting -1AP against shooting if there's an infantry unit nearby, something that pushes me out of my deployment zone and just buff tanks and infantry instead of just artillery.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, redmapa said:

I would like to see the return of Mechanized Infantry and a more aggressive playstyle and considering there's a couple of detachments that buff transports or units that advance like Firestorm or CSM Raiders I would love to see something like that, perhaps +1 to wound after disembarking or vehicle units getting -1AP against shooting if there's an infantry unit nearby, something that pushes me out of my deployment zone and just buff tanks and infantry instead of just artillery.

I think mech detachment will be in the standard codex.

 

however they do it, I definitely think this detachment will be kreig themed to ride the hype of the model reveals.

[Galron]

15 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I think mech detachment will be in the standard codex.

 

however they do it, I definitely think this detachment will be kreig themed to ride the hype of the model reveals.

From what I heard, I think either from Mordian or Auspex in one of their videos, 

Index detachment

Mech infantry

artillery

armored

Recon

Infantry(I think but I might be imagining it)

and one that is a surprise that they gave no details of. Speculated that it was Storm Troopers/Tempestus since it wasnt mentioned in the others but this was before the detachment a day thing was announced. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, Galron said:

From what I heard, I think either from Mordian or Auspex in one of their videos, 

Index detachment

Mech infantry

artillery

armored

Recon

Infantry(I think but I might be imagining it)

and one that is a surprise that they gave no details of. Speculated that it was Storm Troopers/Tempestus since it wasnt mentioned in the others but this was before the detachment a day thing was announced. 

A scion based detachment sounds weird considering there’s currently only 3 scion units available 

[redmapa]

22 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

A scion based detachment sounds weird considering there’s currently only 3 scion units available 

 

They just made a detachment just for Tyranid Warriors so I don't see how much weirder it could be. 

[Galron]

 

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

A scion based detachment sounds weird considering there’s currently only 3 scion units available 

They used to have an entire codex just an edition or two ago, a detachment is not too out of the question.

They have a command squad, tempestus squad, aqualons, plus the taurox and the Valkyrie and other ***aircraft*** if you want to keep it strict. You can technically field 105 dudes plus vehicles, if they dont move aqualons into the battleline slot for the detachment.

 

Everyone keeps knocking that Tyrannid detachment. I dont think people have done the math that there can be 72 OC3 3w 5++ warriors marching up the board, some of which can advance and charge. That is a frightening proposition for most armies. Yeah a squad or two isnt scary. 72 that you can bring one back once a turn and have a little support from things like venomthropes is.

Edited December 5 by Galron

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

22 minutes ago, Galron said:

 

They used to have an entire codex just an edition or two ago, a detachment is not too out of the question.

They have a command squad, tempestus squad, aqualons, plus the taurox and the Valkyrie and other ***aircraft*** if you want to keep it strict. You can technically field 105 dudes plus vehicles, if they dont move aqualons into the battleline slot for the detachment.

 

Everyone keeps knocking that Tyrannid detachment. I dont think people have done the math that there can be 72 OC3 3w 5++ warriors marching up the board, some of which can advance and charge. That is a frightening proposition for most armies. Yeah a squad or two isnt scary. 72 that you can bring one back once a turn and have a little support from things like venomthropes is.

I came back in 8th and they they’ve been in the guard codex for every edition since I came back, so idk what you’re talking about 

[Galron]

Pyschic Awakening was 8th I think and those rules lasted through 9th. They have always had a unit in the guard codex be it under the name Storm Troopers or the silly Tempestus name, but they also had their own hard back codex for a short time. I thought it was 8th and expanded by PA. Maybe it was 7th. 

[SteveAntilles]

They did indeed have their own codex, I think it was in 6th. I've had a Scion only army ever since, it's super fun, though it's not the best army. 

[Galron]

I didnt know the new models had been out that long. Wow time flies

[SteveAntilles]

Right?! I used to have a Kasrkin/Stormtrooper only army in like 3rd -4th edition too. It's been a thing for a while. 

[WAR]

Scions only.....

[SteveAntilles]

Scions only you say?

[OldWherewolf]

19 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

What?

are you just guessing every possible option for this one detachment right now?

100%!!! 

 

Honestly, I think it's going to be a Krieg detachment.  Why?  because it will allow GW to release the models in time for Christmas for that buying wave, and then have a 2nd wave when the codex comes out. 

 

I see nothing wrong with that.  My wallet however...

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

25 minutes ago, OldWherewolf said:

100%!!! 

 

Honestly, I think it's going to be a Krieg detachment.  Why?  because it will allow GW to release the models in time for Christmas for that buying wave, and then have a 2nd wave when the codex comes out. 

 

I see nothing wrong with that.  My wallet however...

They’re not releasing the models this year. Maybe preorders in the last week or two of December but the roadmap shows guard will be the first faction of 2025 meaning we’ll probably see our new kits and codex released in January sometime.