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[Iron Father Ferrum]

Marines are also not slaves to rank.  In the novel *Savage Scars* about the Damocles Crusade, the Marine Detachments were led by a senior Sergeant of the White Scars despite there being Captains present from other chapters.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Titus is a demoted Captain, so a lot of the jokes about Lt.'s don't really apply because they're usually synonymous with "New Officer" issues i.e. they have the rank but no info.

 

Then again, Titus spent a very long time seemingly as a Sargent equivalent in Deathwatch between having his Captain rank removed and being reinstated as a Lieutenant, so maybe its a bit of that Deathwatch training to "Defer to the Battle Brother who actually knows what's up" coming through.

Not to mention when we knew him as a captain he was…unconventional…at best, so command may not quite trust him yet

[Azaiel]

I didnt know that Syama Pedersen was involved in it before watching but I suspected that was the case after watching it.  One can see the nods towards Adeptus Astartes in a couple of scenes. I liked it for what it was, a short badass story where Space Marines do violence against their enemies in awesome ways. The Coffin was a nice touch.

 

Spoiler

I liked the scene with the Guilermo Del Toro Daemon when it dawned on it that it had effed up going into Titus mind. "Wait, your not afraid of me. No no no..."

 

[phandaal]

6 minutes ago, Azaiel said:

 

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I liked the scene with the Guilermo Del Toro Daemon when it dawned on it that it had effed up going into Titus mind. "Wait, your not afraid of me. No no no..."

 

 

That was very much a "you're locked in here with me" moment. 

 

The whole short was very cool, and definitely got the feel of Marines right.

[Domhnall]

Just for the sake of of completeness for those that didn't see it, I've taken a part screenshot of an instagram post Syama Pedersen had made on his instagram account saying that he contributed to the Secret Level short

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

In regards to the secret level episode.

 

idk who this dude is, but I think this video shows that our episode did what it was supposed to do, even if we weren’t absolutely in love with it.

 

 

[Taliesin]

Just watched the Secret Level short. Its definitely one of the best of the 15 that are out now.

The fight scene against the Heretics was excellent. But I also felt there was not enough story here. Incredible animation but on the whole, definitely worth seeing but not a patch on Astartes as best Warhammer animation. Could be no.2 though. Though I still really like the Sodaz animations as well.

Edited December 17 by Taliesin

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Taliesin said:

Just watched the Secret Level short. Its definitely one of the best of the 15 that are out now.

The fight scene against the Heretics was excellent. But I also felt there was not enough story here. Incredible animation but on the whole, definitely worth seeing but not a patch on Astartes as best Warhammer animation. Could be no.2 though. Though I still really like the Sodaz animations as well.

It was made by the same dude who made astartes…

 

how much story do you want and think can be crammed into 15 minutes, while being attractive to people not already in the fan base?

[TheMawr]

I just seen it, i actually loved it. And there was a lot of story imho, a lot of it crammed in small suggestive frames wich made it even stronger. Could go, and really want to go deeper on it but spoiler tags  only work on my pc somehow, and this is probably not the topic for it ? Though maybe it fits 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

56 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

I just seen it, i actually loved it. And there was a lot of story imho, a lot of it crammed in small suggestive frames wich made it even stronger. Could go, and really want to go deeper on it but spoiler tags  only work on my pc somehow, and this is probably not the topic for it ? Though maybe it fits 

It’s a 15 minute video lol

i dont think spoiler tags are necessary since the story over all isn’t important.

[ZeroWolf]

Do we even have a place to properly discuss it? We'll probably need to expand the part of the forum where the Black Library talk is once the shows arrive (we have plenty of time till then)

 

One thing to remember about the short was that it operated under some heavy guidelines as it was. Namely that it had to tie in to Space Marine II, hence why it was Titus and the Ultramarines. Given its run time, you have to make the best use of every second you have (breaking it down into a three act structure, you get 7/7/6 minutes apiece). 

 

Then you have to decide what the point of the short actually is. I'd say in this case was to give a feel for the 40k setting, and the Space Marine games themselves. Judging from what reviews I have seen, they seem to have nailed the Grimdark tone. It also shows off the most popular army in the setting to spectacular degree...shame they don't really play like that on the tabletop!* 

 

* - As if no one on the SM side failed their armour saves or rolled 1s till the very end!

[TheMawr]

6 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

It also shows off the most popular army in the setting to spectacular degree...shame they don't really play like that on the tabletop!* 

 

* - As if no one on the SM side failed their armour saves or rolled 1s till the very end!

 

Id say it could be argued the human chaff on the tabletop is the part thats misrepresented ;)

 

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Lets see if this works,

- I liked the suggestion that the spacemarines while being monsters in the physical realm,  what defeated the daemon was titus "inner child" wich i interpreted as the human side of his soul, not his astartes might. 

- The suggestion that, i think it was the leader his vision, he might just as well be a chaos marine because he enjoys the killing wich ended up  breaking him i also liked a lot.. The daemon only puts the suggestion, but there is enough doubt to make it bloom. 

 

I really loved the daemon, its weird seeing such an unique thing though, i didnt saw that coming. Cultists looked different and had bikes but  that is easily brushed away as creative independence.

I dont think its a miniature hint, i think its roughly based on several AoS tzeentch models ( those i also love btw) but it should be.

 

There are also several elements that really give a good chaos feeling, starting early on with a scroll "unburning", tiny, but very lovely details. 

 

Psyker coffin delivery service, another element i loved. In a very simple and short scène it shows the imperiums "grimdark" view on psykers/abhumans, instead of the heroic superhero element of human psykers that crept in over time. 

When i once said I dont think i like the concept of librarians, this scène emphasizes what i mean.. The models are nice and thematic and its there so shouldnt be changed.. but human psykers among spacemarines is just a stronger lore-concept in the grander scheme of things to me, and i meant like this, not human superhero psykers.

 

So while it was a spacemarine bolterfantasy short, for me it was so much more. Though i might be overthinking it ;)

 

In all the i forget the "computer" thats more holy shrine than a desktop tool.. delicious 

 

Edited December 18 by TheMawr

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

There are also several elements that really give a good chaos feeling, starting early on with a scroll "unburning", tiny, but very lovely details. 

 

In their recent article, this was revealed to be a lie being told somewhere else in the galaxy; the library of lies is where they end up and it's a collection of every lie ever told. We are seeing the lies become manifest.

 

I think it's got a cool dichotomy with the oath papers sizzling away; those are promises aimed to be kept, and now they are gone cuz we are in the den of lies. Super cool. 

Edited December 18 by DemonGSides

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

In their recent article, this was revealed to be a lie being told somewhere else in the galaxy; the library of lies is where they end up and it's a collection of every lie ever told. We are seeing the lies become manifest.

 

I think it's got a cool dichotomy with the oath papers sizzling away; those are promises aimed to be kept, and now they are gone cuz we are in the den of lies. Super cool. 

And that lie being told was GW promising to be fair with their pricing 

 

[Taliesin]

20 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

It was made by the same dude who made astartes…

 

how much story do you want and think can be crammed into 15 minutes, while being attractive to people not already in the fan base?

It was not made by the guy who did Astartes, was it? We dont know that, so why claim that? We only know he was part of the production team, no clue on the size of his role.

 

Definitely still psyched for Astartes 2 though.

 

As for story...it doesnt fall short compared to the other shorts in Secret Level, but I thought it would have a bit more than this.

The fight with the heretics is great, the fight with the Tzeentch servants in the dark, not so much and then the face off with the sorcerer was for me an underwhelming ending, I would have preferred any other variety of actual fight with him, that they could have chosen, instead of them being frozen in time and being picked off one by one.

 

Also I felt that the Chaos Cultists were dismissed too easily, they presented no threat in this animation. They didnt kill or even injure a single Astartes and were dismissed with great ease.

 

[Joe]

It took me all of about thirty seconds to load the credits up from the actual episode; Syama was a Layout Artist, one of a good few that worked on the episode. It's really that simple sometimes. At any point, IMDB was also available.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

56 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

It was not made by the guy who did Astartes, was it? We dont know that, so why claim that? We only know he was part of the production team, no clue on the size of his role.

 

Definitely still psyched for Astartes 2 though.

 

As for story...it doesnt fall short compared to the other shorts in Secret Level, but I thought it would have a bit more than this.

The fight with the heretics is great, the fight with the Tzeentch servants in the dark, not so much and then the face off with the sorcerer was for me an underwhelming ending, I would have preferred any other variety of actual fight with him, that they could have chosen, instead of them being frozen in time and being picked off one by one.

 

Also I felt that the Chaos Cultists were dismissed too easily, they presented no threat in this animation. They didnt kill or even injure a single Astartes and were dismissed with great ease.

 

The dude who made astartes works for GW, and he posted he worked on it.

the screen shot was already posted hand full of posts before I said.

 

in the actual lore a platoon or so of humans are no threat to a single astartes.

 

id have to double check my codex but the 3rd Ed marine codex has a quote that says something along the lines of 1 space marine is worth 100 guardsmen.

Edited December 18 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Taliesin]

30 minutes ago, Joe said:

It took me all of about thirty seconds to load the credits up from the actual episode; Syama was a Layout Artist, one of a good few that worked on the episode. It's really that simple sometimes. At any point, IMDB was also available.

 Exactly. Its even mentioned in the credits.

 

15 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

The dude who made astartes works for GW, and he posted he worked on it.

the screen shot was already posted hand full of posts before I said.

 

 

Yes dude but that is not what you said, you said that this show was actually made by the same guy who did Astartes.

Which is taking it entirely beyond what we know to be true at this point.

 

As for the Cultists not being enough of a threat, I stand by it. Opinions may vary, but personally I dont like when Astartes are portrayed as hyper invincible, it derails my suspension of disbelief. 

Edited December 18 by Taliesin

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

24 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

 Exactly. Its even mentioned in the credits.

 

 

Yes dude but that is not what you said, you said that this show was actually made by the same guy who did Astartes.

Which is taking it entirely beyond what we know to be true at this point.

 

As for the Cultists not being enough of a threat, I stand by it. Opinions may vary, but personally I dont like when Astartes are portrayed as hyper invincible, it derails my suspension of disbelief. 

They’re super human super soldiers in super duper armor…a handful of ill trained dudes with knives and guns shouldn’t be a threat to them…have you seen any of the videos of navy seals destroying people in MILSIM airsoft? 
have you ever seen a nobody challenge a regional level fighter to a fight?

 

training level on its own makes a huge difference in threat level, let alone the physical enhancements, and tech enhancements they have available to them.

[ZeroWolf]

While I think we found everything already in the short,

 

WarCom put out this article today that catalogued a few things. I missed the bird eyes on the cultists myself.

[ThePenitentOne]

22 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

They’re super human super soldiers in super duper armor…a handful of ill trained dudes with knives and guns shouldn’t be a threat to them…have you seen any of the videos of navy seals destroying people in MILSIM airsoft? 
have you ever seen a nobody challenge a regional level fighter to a fight?

 

training level on its own makes a huge difference in threat level, let alone the physical enhancements, and tech enhancements they have available to them.

Perhaps, but there's also a scene where ONE dude punches a rhino to death.

 

A unit focus firing on a rhino? No problem. Play on.

 

One dude punching it to death? Nope. Bolter porn crap that distorts how people think the game should be played.

 

That said, the scene was all of fifteen seconds long, and I still loved this... Despite the fact that it represents every reason why marines get EVERYTHING on a silver platter while other, more interesting factions have to wait DECADES for an update.

 

Yes, I loved this episode, but it was a guilty pleasure.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

39 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Perhaps, but there's also a scene where ONE dude punches a rhino to death.

 

A unit focus firing on a rhino? No problem. Play on.

 

One dude punching it to death? Nope. Bolter porn crap that distorts how people think the game should be played.

 

That said, the scene was all of fifteen seconds long, and I still loved this... Despite the fact that it represents every reason why marines get EVERYTHING on a silver platter while other, more interesting factions have to wait DECADES for an update.

 

Yes, I loved this episode, but it was a guilty pleasure.

Who punched a rhino to death?

he shoulder checked a dune buggy, and drops a grenade into the hatch of the Punisher like tank…

I admit them walking away from a barrage from the punisher thing completely unscathed was a bit border line to me. It could have at least blown a hand off one of the random marines.

[ThePenitentOne]

My bad- only watched it once- I probably mistook the punisher,  and I'm not sure how, but apparently I didn't see the grenade either. I suppose he could roll a 6. It's more the no scratch that bothered me. I didn't need one to even die- I'd just like to see a bit of effort. Like maybe two guys are working on the tank, one guy takes a hit that knocks him down, one of the other guys takes his place, and voila, tank dies.

 

The boss fight with the Daemon was cool though, and I suppose you could argue that the directors were going for the grind, grind, grind bossfight feel that is the hallmark of video games. Because after all, this wasn't designed to sell 40k; it was designed to sell Space Marine two.

 

Again, I loved it, and I plan on watching it at least a dozen more times.

 

But it is a copy of a copy, far removed from the game which is supposed to be the place from which all licensed media flows. I know it's a bit of a hot take, but I still contend that only game books are true lore. Other stuff can be cool, and I'm glad it's there... But it's fanfic. High quality perhaps. Entertaining for sure. And it does help provide a greater sense of immersion than the game alone.

 

But fanfic all the same. What happens on the table always mattered more to me, and I wish the licensed media reflected it more closely.

[crimsondave]

2 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Perhaps, but there's also a scene where ONE dude punches a rhino to death.

 

A unit focus firing on a rhino? No problem. Play on.

 

One dude punching it to death? Nope. Bolter porn crap that distorts how people think the game should be played.

 

That said, the scene was all of fifteen seconds long, and I still loved this... Despite the fact that it represents every reason why marines get EVERYTHING on a silver platter while other, more interesting factions have to wait DECADES for an update.

 

Yes, I loved this episode, but it was a guilty pleasure.

We didn’t watch the same thing, apparently.  I’ve watched it 4 times and I didn’t see any rhino punching.

Edited December 19 by crimsondave

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, ThePenitentOne said:

My bad- only watched it once- I probably mistook the punisher,  and I'm not sure how, but apparently I didn't see the grenade either. I suppose he could roll a 6. It's more the no scratch that bothered me. I didn't need one to even die- I'd just like to see a bit of effort. Like maybe two guys are working on the tank, one guy takes a hit that knocks him down, one of the other guys takes his place, and voila, tank dies.

 

The boss fight with the Daemon was cool though, and I suppose you could argue that the directors were going for the grind, grind, grind bossfight feel that is the hallmark of video games. Because after all, this wasn't designed to sell 40k; it was designed to sell Space Marine two.

 

Again, I loved it, and I plan on watching it at least a dozen more times.

 

But it is a copy of a copy, far removed from the game which is supposed to be the place from which all licensed media flows. I know it's a bit of a hot take, but I still contend that only game books are true lore. Other stuff can be cool, and I'm glad it's there... But it's fanfic. High quality perhaps. Entertaining for sure. And it does help provide a greater sense of immersion than the game alone.

 

But fanfic all the same. What happens on the table always mattered more to me, and I wish the licensed media reflected it more closely.

He killed the dude looking out and attached an explosive, likely a melta mine after dropping the grenade inside.

 

also episode wasn’t made to swell SM2. It was created to sell 40K in its entirety to new people.

 

but the tabletop also doesn’t reflect the lore in the game books…so which one takes precedent in this system of yours?

Edited December 19 by Inquisitor_Lensoven