Upcoming BL Stuff 2025

[System Sound]

Well, I'll be damned! They will actually show off new (possibly) books! 

This was posted on their socials a few minutes ago.

 

[wecanhaveallthree]

If it is a Scouring start, I definitely see Wraight or French setting the stage. Wraight's set multiple books on Terra, particularly political books, so I absolutely see him getting the nod to write a 'setting the scene' novel as the Primarchs and the Council of Terra come to terms with the Emperor's injury, Malcador's death and the now-competing demands of 'get the Traitors' and 'get the Throneworld back on its feet'. French doing the same thing for the Traitors would be a great pick too, since he effectively did the same thing in Slaves to Darkness already. 

[darkhorse0607]

42 minutes ago, System Sound said:

Well, I'll be damned! They will actually show off new (possibly) books! 

This was posted on their socials a few minutes ago.

 

 

Well

Well

Well

 

You all laughed at me for having hope that books=novels

 

Just tell valrak to hand over the foil

 

(Also please give me a part of a book where the Ultramarines show up to Terra and just have to sit there and try to figure out what's going on. Please)

Edited Tuesday at 07:23 PM by darkhorse0607

[cheywood]

If it is a scouring reveal my guess is Wraight’s doing the first book and that’s what the embargo on Fnac is for. But you never know these days.

[Felix Antipodes]

If the embargoed novels are the start of a Scouring series I’m  extremely pleased with Wraight and French taking the lead on it.  With the old guard (Abnett, McNeill, ADB) mostly moving on they are the most experienced and talented of the current roster of writers (IMHO).  Let them set up the setting with a few books each before they let some of the newer talent loose on it.

 

As for the upcoming preview adding BL, I feel it is too far out for these to be announced, especially if it is Scouring related.  GW would want to announce that by its lonesome so that nothing else steals attention from it.  More likely it will be books that line up with whatever factions get new stuff announced… or the next tie-in models from previous book releases maybe.

[grailkeeper]

I'm not sure I'd consider ADB old guard. Maybe I'm just old. 

[Felix Antipodes]

1 hour ago, grailkeeper said:

I'm not sure I'd consider ADB old guard. Maybe I'm just old. 

Aren’t we all? 

 

I meant it as in (seemingly) no longer actively writing for BL.  May it not be so…

[darkhorse0607]

13 hours ago, Felix Antipodes said:

If the embargoed novels are the start of a Scouring series I’m  extremely pleased with Wraight and French taking the lead on it.  

 

Strong agree. Particularly Wraight as he's shown that he can go into a setting that hasn't been explored yet (Valdor) and give it an interesting spin without making it either all bolter time, or feel super out of place. Especially in the politic heavy aftermath of the Heresy, I think that touch is needed

 

But also at the same time, I really want Rath to contribute in some way to the series when it happens. Give me a large Fall of Cadia sized novel about the Dark Angels going after traitor homeworlds, the writing/conflict over the Codex, Iron Cage or something like that. He's also one that excels at taking a relatively small amount of existing information and being able to spin it out into a massive thing while it still feeling coherent

[grailkeeper]

49 minutes ago, darkhorse0607 said:

 

 

But also at the same time, I really want Rath to contribute in some way to the series when it happens. 

 

Robert Rath could write a novel about them updating the phonebooks after the heresy and I'd be first in line to buy it. 

[Taliesin]

17 hours ago, Felix Antipodes said:

 

 

As for the upcoming preview adding BL, I feel it is too far out for these to be announced, especially if it is Scouring related.  GW would want to announce that by its lonesome so that nothing else steals attention from it.  More likely it will be books that line up with whatever factions get new stuff announced… or the next tie-in models from previous book releases maybe.

 

Its not too early actually , as the previews usually cover a period of about 3 months, in which case a reveal for an October release like Wraight's, makes sense.

Aside from that, for me personally this very clearly looks like the Scouring series , especially after that second book going under embargo as well. And Wraight was always somebody who I expected to be writing one of the opening novels of that  ever since Valrak first mentioned he heard it was coming.

 

[theSpirea]

If it is that, let's hope it's not going to like The Gates of Azyr which is absolutely horrible book and I blame the studio, not Wraight.

[Roomsky]

One one hand, Wraight and French are great picks to kick things off if this is indeed The Scouring. On the other hand, I'm surprised it isn't starting with Abnett, not merely because it's "his thing" but because he said explicitly that he'd love to write a lot about Terra right after the Emperor's enthronement and the political turmoil that follows. 

 

Maybe he's just got too much on the go.

 

Also that Tempestus Scions book is still listed everywhere for next month but still doesn't have a cover or title.

[LemartesTheLost]

11 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

I'm not sure I'd consider ADB old guard. Maybe I'm just old. 

 

As one the younger (if not the youngest) fraters that frequent this subforum, ADB is definitely considered to be part of the Old Guard for whatever that's worth 

[Krelious]

ADB has written many times that hes the slowest author and I think in general GW/BL is kinda in a narrative middle ground where they just ended the Siege of Terra and likely looking to expand on stuff there as they want to tie everything together. I'd imagine we will see BL 3 or Spears 2 soon enough or possibly a Scouring series where hes doing NL or Sons of Horus stuff, possibly even WE or WB, hes left his mark on a lot of Chaos Legions

[darkhorse0607]

7 hours ago, Taliesin said:

 

Its not too early actually , as the previews usually cover a period of about 3 months, in which case a reveal for an October release 

 

If it does happen that way it also sets them up pretty nicely for the traditional Black Library reveal show in December 

 

Give folks the first one and then give them a tease of the next few like they did with Dawn of Fire leading into the New Year

[Felix Antipodes]

I’d be first n line for more ADB whatever he wanted to do, but I’d be surprised if he turned out anything for the projected Scouring setting.  Let him wrap up his current series before we start chaining him to anything else.

 

@Roomsky: I’m not surprised Dan Abnett isn’t leading the Scouring.  He will take awhile to (creatively) recover from the HH (IMHO) but I expect he will eventually add a novel or short stories down the track.

[skylerboodie]

I could see ADB in the Scouring if he wants to pick up where he left off with Sevatar. Originally he had big plans for him, and that his main storyarc was post Heresy. That would be nice

[TheVoidDragon]

On 7/15/2025 at 7:25 PM, Arkhas Fell said:

So actually I didn't expect to get news that quickly but turns out I did, I guess praying to the Dark Gods has some benefits, Gloria Aeterna as some grey/red lunatics would say.


The first thing is that Amazon.fr, -for a brief amount of time- had a 2nd book with the exact same format (12.9 cm x 19.8 cm) under embargo. This time from John French. Curiously you couldn't find it again unless you had previously added it to your Amazon wishlist.
This time around for december 3rd. Also labelled as "Horus Heresy". 




Regarding the Horus Heresy label/collection it is indeed "officially" the correct label - I went through most of the french library shops, directly asked them and they confirmed it wasn't a mistake. 

To summarize: 

• We have two books under embargo
• One by Wraight, one by French 
• Both are 12.9 x 19.8 cm so it rules out any Horus Heresy Primarchs (or Horus Heresy Characters) hardbacks which are 13.5 x 20.5 cm.
• One is releasing on October 29th, the second one on December 3rd.
• They both weight 505g yet they don't have the same amount of pages: 336 for Wraight's and 400 for French's. 
• They both are labelled "Horus Heresy" - the more I think about it the more I have this nagging feeling that we might get The Horus Heresy: The Great Scouring 
• Both Amazon.fr and Fnac.com list them for 15 euros (premium hardbacks are usually 25 bucks).

 

Could they not be another novella / short story collection? There's "The Shattered and the Soulless" coming which contains 2 of Graham Mcneils stories at 432 pages. 

The weight really seems like it's most likely a placeholder if 2 books with that much of a page difference at listed as the same weight. 

[Taliesin]

No, Shattered and Soulless releases 2 months later than December, its already up on Amazon.com and not embargoed ( as indeed there would be no reason for it).

 

https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Soulless-Horus-Heresy-Siege/dp/1836090196/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1TQU6825HCNRZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.JB2eSBrWo_AZ-RanAzdEIg.RAWyI0K2JWM_0Wa5-txZ1sEnKxtsXm0E0qEyVo9xsdE&dib_tag=se&keywords=The+Shattered+and+the+Soulless&qid=1752760147&s=books&sprefix=the+shattered+and+the+soulless%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C165&sr=1-1

[Taliesin]

Hmmm, I see a book called Carnage Unending by Dan Abnett up for release next year.

 

We are also getting a Vaults of Terra Omnibus in January.

 

 

[darkhorse0607]

12 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

We are also getting a Vaults of Terra Omnibus in January.

 

 

 

Honestly out of almost all of the Omnibus (bi?) they've done lately this one is probably the most deserving considering how back to back they are in the story

[Arkhas Fell]

4 hours ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

Could they not be another novella / short story collection? There's "The Shattered and the Soulless" coming which contains 2 of Graham Mcneils stories at 432 pages. 

The weight really seems like it's most likely a placeholder if 2 books with that much of a page difference at listed as the same weight. 

I forgot to edit my previous message but turns out the Fnac/Amazon listing for Wraight upcoming book's weight was wrong potentially. 

Per the other french library shops listing, French's upcoming book is 505g and 400 pages while Wraight's is 336 pages for ~400g.  So ultimately it does makes sense. 

As for an Horus Heresy themed "collection" from both of these authors I simply can't wrap my head around it.
Let's say it'd be a "legion-specific omnibus": Wraight's full White Scar Arc is definitely more than 336 pages. And French's Imperial Fists arc is more than 400 pages too. 

[theSpirea]

Majority of BL page counts on websites are inaccurate even after release/published date

[Roomsky]

21 hours ago, Roomsky said:

Also that Tempestus Scions book is still listed everywhere for next month but still doesn't have a cover or title.

The distributers clearly heard my complaint. It's called Final Deployment and now has a cover.

Amazon.ca's other Updates:

Carnage Unending - Dan Abnett - April

The Green Tide - Ork book omnibus - March

"Steve Lyons'" Death and Duty has a description now, it appears he's just the first listed author for a Guard anthology.

[TheVoidDragon]

38 minutes ago, Roomsky said:

The distributers clearly heard my complaint. It's called Final Deployment and now has a cover.

Amazon.ca's other Updates:

Carnage Unending - Dan Abnett - April

The Green Tide - Ork book omnibus - March

"Steve Lyons'" Death and Duty has a description now, it appears he's just the first listed author for a Guard anthology.

 

Thought a book about Tempstus scions was a bit of a different choice, some  pretty good cover art, and the book description sounded interesting with it seeming like it might do something a bit more unique and have Imperium VS Imperium without the usual enemies having caused it....then I saw... 

 

Quote

"facing a foe from the darkest days of the Imperium,"

...It's going to be "Chaos Was behind it!" yet again, isn't it? 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:39 PM by TheVoidDragon