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[theSpirea]

I didn't say anything, didn't post anything, and you definitely didn't see this post

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/htmsx5mm/adrian-tchaikovsky-interview-writing-the-seraphon-in-starseers-ruin/

[NTaW]

1 hour ago, Taliesin said:

 

Interesting that you say the Mephiston books have a better display of Tzeentchian corruption of humans. Should give it a shot.

 

Another series I own physical copies of, and quite enjoyed. One thing you may want to keep in mind is that there's some off-screen happenings in Devastation of Baal and Darkness in the Blood that involve Mephiston. This is of less consequence of you're after the Tzeentch goodness, but more relevant if you're confused about how Mephy crossed the Rubicon and the happenings around his character.

[Tolmeus]

7 hours ago, skylerboodie said:

I've not read Dark Imperium trilogy yet but have the original pre- retcon versions of the first two; should I read those versions, and just ignore any references to 100+ years timeshift, or is it a more signifcant rewrite and best to just read retconned versions (or worse, both)? thanks

As far as I can remember, you should be fine to just ignore the 100+ references. There weren't any substantial edits that warrant you to buy the retconned versions. 
Just remember that Godblight only exists within the retconned version, so don't get confused.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I was not impressed with the Dark Imperium trilogy either. I just didn't think it was very good. Didn't show Death Guard an Mortarion very well either.

 

That's a lot of repeated stories in those anthologies. Maybe BL are just trying to pad out their release schedule a bit.

 

ADB has a new Night Lords novella, called Dark Heresy (I think). Sadly at the moment it is only available as part of an extremely expensive Collector edition of an upcoming videogame. Hopefully at some point common sense prevails and it gets released separately. 

[wecanhaveallthree]

In other news, not sure if other fraters have seen the spoilers floating around re: Ashes of the Imperium, but it looks like top-of-his-game Wraight politikino. 

[grailkeeper]

Adrian Tchaikovsky is an incredible author and I read almost everything he puts out.

 

But that was a bit spoiled by the fact he was rude to me for no reason on twitter once when I told him I thought he was great.

[wecanhaveallthree]

I'm terribly sorry that happened, grailkeeper. You know, a møøse once bit my sister...

Edited Saturday at 09:19 AM by wecanhaveallthree
We apologize for the fault in the post. Those responsible for the post have been sacked.

[Taliesin]

10 hours ago, wecanhaveallthree said:

In other news, not sure if other fraters have seen the spoilers floating around re: Ashes of the Imperium, but it looks like top-of-his-game Wraight politikino. 

 

Have not seen anything about it, what has been revealed?

Does anyone have a copy already?

 

22 hours ago, theSpirea said:

I didn't say anything, didn't post anything, and you definitely didn't see this post

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/htmsx5mm/adrian-tchaikovsky-interview-writing-the-seraphon-in-starseers-ruin/

 

This looks excellent, will definitely want to buy that.

[wecanhaveallthree]

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Have not seen anything about it, what has been revealed?

 

There's someone posting pages on /tg/ with some summaries. It reads absolutely stellar. I'm not sure how much would be right to post, even under spoilers, but I'll give it a college try. Don't click this if you don't want random spoilers from Ashes of the Imperium. A general TL;DR is that from the many page scans that have been put up and the summaries, it seems like an incredible banger from start to finish and I'll be picking it up day one. Could not have begun the Scouring on a higher note.

 

Spoiler

It's taking place on Terra/in Sol, with the Loyalists cleaning house and us following some Traitors as they're desperately trying to escape.

We get to see a lot of Terra, and there's a ton of politicking with the Primarchs, the Council of Terra, Malcador's Chosen and especially between Guilliman and Dorn.

Dorn wants to get going right away, to leave Mars and Luna blockaded and seize the chance to run the Traitors down, now, once and for all. He's almost manic in how he describes the 'Crusade' to come and the restoration of the Emperor's vision. I, uh, got the very queasy feeling about another character who wants to do that in Abnett's work...

Guilliman wants to do it methodically, step-by-step, secure the inner bonds of the Imperium. Gotta take Luna and the gene-labs, gotta get Mars to secure the Mechanicus.

 

We're also seeing the Loyalists do essentially the same thing the Traitors were doing on the way to the Siege with the mass production of Astartes. The new psycho-conditioning is noted to be very blunt, to give them triggers to certain things (e.g. Chaos) and give hardwired hate/anger responses. It's noted that the 'new' Astartes will be less emotional, less able to comprehend other emotions, much quicker to anger, but hey, them's the breaks!

 

Dorn is trying to rally support for his new Crusade. Russ and the Lion are fighting. Guilliman is trying to rally support for his not-Crusade (and getting buttmad about all the infighting going on). Guilliman secures the aid of the Council of Terra: none of them will commit to the Crusade until Sol is secure and Luna/Mars are retaken. Dorn hates everything, but they need to present a united front.

 

Importantly, Keeler appears to have left Terra, which suggests her story ain't over yet. Sindermann and Dorn discuss Chaos - Dorn's time in the desert has made him a big believer in the threat. He effectively founded the Ordo Malleus here, guaranteeing Sindermann funds and knowledge to study Chaos.

 

The big problem is that none of the Primarchs want to leave Terra. Anybody who heads off, even to Luna or Mars, risks losing influence to another brother. They're all jockeying for position, they all fear treachery still - lots of bickering. 

 

We get cultist and traitor PoVs along the way. The Traitors on Luna have already churned out several thousand Astartes, and they're gonna fight to the end 'for the dead' (kill for the living baybeeeee). There's talk about breaching the 'tomb site' - uh, Necrons? The Angel? I dunno, but sounds cool. Apparently the Traitors were always going to drop Terra into the Warp and rule from Luna. Sounds neat.

 

That's all that's been posted so far, it sounds so damn good. I think this is exactly what I've been begging for, what we all wanted from the Primarch books (and people who wanted a Great Crusade series/setting): all the machinations of the Imperium. The Primarchs being incapable of trusting each other and getting along. Just how enormous and unwieldy the Imperium actually is. How things keep sliding backwards, when 'just for now' becomes 'for the next ten thousand years'. Compromise. Bloodshed. Hell yeah.

 

It also appears to be setting Guilliman up for a villain arc, so says my gut. I... am down with that, actually. If we find out Guilliman, say, iced Dorn out, hoo boy.

 

The mind overflows with possibilities. Very, very excited. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Taliesin]

Sounds great

[Scribe]

2 hours ago, wecanhaveallthree said:

Could not have begun the Scouring on a higher note.

 

...but I dont wannaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol

 

FINE.

[Fedor]

The absolute state of that Starseer's Ruin cover.

[theSpirea]

Next week (that AoS mentioned above is also already coming out)

The SEs are looking more and more like regular hardbacks

[phandaal]

On 10/25/2025 at 9:38 AM, wecanhaveallthree said:

 

There's someone posting pages on /tg/ with some summaries. It reads absolutely stellar. I'm not sure how much would be right to post, even under spoilers, but I'll give it a college try. Don't click this if you don't want random spoilers from Ashes of the Imperium. A general TL;DR is that from the many page scans that have been put up and the summaries, it seems like an incredible banger from start to finish and I'll be picking it up day one. Could not have begun the Scouring on a higher note.

 

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It's taking place on Terra/in Sol, with the Loyalists cleaning house and us following some Traitors as they're desperately trying to escape.

We get to see a lot of Terra, and there's a ton of politicking with the Primarchs, the Council of Terra, Malcador's Chosen and especially between Guilliman and Dorn.

Dorn wants to get going right away, to leave Mars and Luna blockaded and seize the chance to run the Traitors down, now, once and for all. He's almost manic in how he describes the 'Crusade' to come and the restoration of the Emperor's vision. I, uh, got the very queasy feeling about another character who wants to do that in Abnett's work...

Guilliman wants to do it methodically, step-by-step, secure the inner bonds of the Imperium. Gotta take Luna and the gene-labs, gotta get Mars to secure the Mechanicus.

 

We're also seeing the Loyalists do essentially the same thing the Traitors were doing on the way to the Siege with the mass production of Astartes. The new psycho-conditioning is noted to be very blunt, to give them triggers to certain things (e.g. Chaos) and give hardwired hate/anger responses. It's noted that the 'new' Astartes will be less emotional, less able to comprehend other emotions, much quicker to anger, but hey, them's the breaks!

 

Dorn is trying to rally support for his new Crusade. Russ and the Lion are fighting. Guilliman is trying to rally support for his not-Crusade (and getting buttmad about all the infighting going on). Guilliman secures the aid of the Council of Terra: none of them will commit to the Crusade until Sol is secure and Luna/Mars are retaken. Dorn hates everything, but they need to present a united front.

 

Importantly, Keeler appears to have left Terra, which suggests her story ain't over yet. Sindermann and Dorn discuss Chaos - Dorn's time in the desert has made him a big believer in the threat. He effectively founded the Ordo Malleus here, guaranteeing Sindermann funds and knowledge to study Chaos.

 

The big problem is that none of the Primarchs want to leave Terra. Anybody who heads off, even to Luna or Mars, risks losing influence to another brother. They're all jockeying for position, they all fear treachery still - lots of bickering. 

 

We get cultist and traitor PoVs along the way. The Traitors on Luna have already churned out several thousand Astartes, and they're gonna fight to the end 'for the dead' (kill for the living baybeeeee). There's talk about breaching the 'tomb site' - uh, Necrons? The Angel? I dunno, but sounds cool. Apparently the Traitors were always going to drop Terra into the Warp and rule from Luna. Sounds neat.

 

That's all that's been posted so far, it sounds so damn good. I think this is exactly what I've been begging for, what we all wanted from the Primarch books (and people who wanted a Great Crusade series/setting): all the machinations of the Imperium. The Primarchs being incapable of trusting each other and getting along. Just how enormous and unwieldy the Imperium actually is. How things keep sliding backwards, when 'just for now' becomes 'for the next ten thousand years'. Compromise. Bloodshed. Hell yeah.

 

It also appears to be setting Guilliman up for a villain arc, so says my gut. I... am down with that, actually. If we find out Guilliman, say, iced Dorn out, hoo boy.

 

The mind overflows with possibilities. Very, very excited. 

 

 

There is another spoiler that should make for some fun threads when this book drops.

 

Spoiler

 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

There is another spoiler that should make for some fun threads when this book drops.

 

I heard a day or two ago. Shame that Black Library's astropathic transmissions to their printer are experiencing such high levels of Warp taint.

[Scribe]

3 hours ago, phandaal said:

There is another spoiler that should make for some fun threads when this book drops.

 

Well?

[DarkChaplain]

I know what he's referring to, as I've seen that specific "spoiler" on reddit. Considering the much cooler, actual spoilers, it's a bit sad that this thing will dominate the discourse for some people again, despite being seemingly entirely irrelevant to the rest of the book.

 

That being said, we already have a containment thread for it, thanks to Roomsky.

[phandaal]

3 hours ago, DarkChaplain said:

we already have a containment thread for it

 

In the voice of Dagoth Ur: "What a grand and intoxicating innocence. "

[darkhorse0607]

4 hours ago, DarkChaplain said:

I know what he's referring to, as I've seen that specific "spoiler" on reddit. Considering the much cooler, actual spoilers, it's a bit sad that this thing will dominate the discourse for some people again, despite being seemingly entirely irrelevant to the rest of the book.

 

That being said, we already have a containment thread for it, thanks to Roomsky.

 

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Great. So I can just go ahead and adjust to the fact that all the discussion over the actual book will be derailed by screeching again.

[Tolmeus]

5 minutes ago, darkhorse0607 said:

Great. So I can just go ahead and adjust to the fact that all the discussion over the actual book will be derailed by screeching again.

 

I can't speak for my fellow fraters, but I always try to have an objective discussion that focuses on the plot of the book and not on other agendas. So I'm looking forward to having a discussion with you about "Ashes of the Imperium", similar to the one currently taking place on "Dropsite Massacre".

(I avoid reading all spoilers regarding "Ashes of the Imperium" at the moment)

[Scribe]

6 hours ago, DarkChaplain said:

I know what he's referring to, as I've seen that specific "spoiler" on reddit. Considering the much cooler, actual spoilers, it's a bit sad that this thing will dominate the discourse for some people again, despite being seemingly entirely irrelevant to the rest of the book.

 

That being said, we already have a containment thread for it, thanks to Roomsky.

 

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Ah if its just that, I dont care. Not a shock at all that would be slipped in.

 

EDIT: That said, this kind of thing is exactly why I dont want them going back into the Heresy and 'filling in gaps'. We made it through with enough terrible retcons to established lore, open that door even a crack and we get stuff like this.

Edited yesterday at 02:38 PM by Scribe

[wecanhaveallthree]

Aye. It simply is what it is, no more and no less. It's not going anywhere: in GW's own words, now, it always was (we have always been at war with Eurasia). 

 

Ashes has a lot we will be arguing over. There's a lot in there that will make the 'spoiler' we're obliquely discussing seem incredibly petty by comparison. There will be blood, in short, and I am very much looking forward to it. 

[Bestkeptsecret]

I am not going to be purchasing Ashes of the Imperium standard hardcover based on this information about the plot details I got from Reddit. I am not even reading the pirated Epub. I will completely skip it and read the future book in the series that covers the details (see reddit screenshot) about the faction and character mentioned. This is the first time ever I am using the Spoiler feature (the reddit screenshot is the spoiler) so MODS if you can please edit my post to make the screenshot the spoiler that would be nice as I am not sure if I am doing it properly.

Spoiler

 

 

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

EDIT: That said, this kind of thing is exactly why I dont want them going back into the Heresy and 'filling in gaps'. We made it through with enough terrible retcons to established lore, open that door even a crack and we get stuff like this.

 

If their recent "lol idk he just teleports or whatever idk man" reveal for the Lion is the quality we can expect, I have no positive anticipation for whatever neat little details they will have Gav Thorpe and Mike Brooks "fill in" for the Dark Angels.

[Scribe]

1 hour ago, wecanhaveallthree said:

Ashes has a lot we will be arguing over. There's a lot in there that will make the 'spoiler' we're obliquely discussing seem incredibly petty by comparison. There will be blood, in short, and I am very much looking forward to it. 

 

I can feel my cold dead heart stirring as I read this.

 

LET IT BE GLORIOUS BLOODSHED.